All things general college basketball

[Rogue219]

Archie Miller did a solid job at Dayton and there are going to be schools who remember that more than him being another post Knight fizzle at IU. For him to go to IU and bust out means to me that he should get another shot at an HC gig, and he likely will due to him checking all the right boxes for getting a third chance in the industry. Maybe he wasn't ready or maybe that program simply isn't what it used to be decades ago. Maybe both.

I don't believe he was IU's first choice. All for the best.

 

[Irish YJ]

Archie Miller did a solid job at Dayton and there are going to be schools who remember that more than him being another post Knight fizzle at IU. For him to go to IU and bust out means to me that he should get another shot at an HC gig, and he likely will due to him checking all the right boxes for getting a third chance in the industry. Maybe he wasn't ready or maybe that program simply isn't what it used to be decades ago. Maybe both.

I don't believe he was IU's first choice. All for the best.

He'll get another shot. Likely needs to rebuild his rep at a mid major again. And no, he wasn't IU's first choice. They struck out on several others prior.

 

[Rogue219]

He'll get another shot. Likely needs to rebuild his rep at a mid major again. And no, he wasn't IU's first choice. They struck out on several others prior.

I think his rep is fine. It's just a matter of getting an opportunity that is the right fit for him. Most mid major athletic directors can see the difficulties that the Indiana job is going to endure for a coach.

Indiana clearly was not that, but I can completely understand why he would have wanted the job even if he wasn't their first choice.

I am very anxious to see who Arizona hires. That's going to be a pivotal hire moving forward in the Pac 12 and in college basketball overall.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think his rep is fine. It's just a matter of getting an opportunity that is the right fit for him. Most mid major athletic directors can see the difficulties that the Indiana job is going to endure for a coach.

Indiana clearly was not that, but I can completely understand why he would have wanted the job even if he wasn't their first choice.

I am very anxious to see who Arizona hires. That's going to be a pivotal hire moving forward in the Pac 12 and in college basketball overall.

I didn't really mean he has a "bad" rep. His rep though did suffer going from an up and comer, to a guy who couldn't beat Purdue or make it to the playoffs in 4 years with 3 Mr. Basketballs.
He'll likely need to return to a smaller conference and have success before he gets an opportunity for another big name. Woodson wasn't IU's first choice this round either, but I think he's a lot better fit.

AZ hire will be interesting. It's a good job, and easy to recruit to. I think 4 top 10 classes in the last 5 years or so. Still can't believe they didn't have more success lately.

 

[Irish#1]

Archie Miller did a solid job at Dayton and there are going to be schools who remember that more than him being another post Knight fizzle at IU. For him to go to IU and bust out means to me that he should get another shot at an HC gig, and he likely will due to him checking all the right boxes for getting a third chance in the industry. Maybe he wasn't ready or maybe that program simply isn't what it used to be decades ago. Maybe both.

I don't believe he was IU's first choice. All for the best.

More of a Purdue and Butler fan than IU when it comes to bball, but IU is still a Blue Blood program. I kind of equate what’s been going on to what ND football was for a while. Nothing wrong except a string of bad hires.

 

[Rogue219]

More of a Purdue and Butler fan than IU when it comes to bball, but IU is still a Blue Blood program. I kind of equate what’s been got on to what ND football was for a while. Nothing wrong except a string of bad hires.

Historically speaking, yeah, they're one of the six Blue Blood programs. They have yet to win a Big Ten Tournament and have won the regular season crown three times this century.

It's fallen off a bit to say the least. They should be a factor in the Big Ten and going deep into the tournament. That hasn't been happening for a while.

A lot of factors in play outside of their post Knight bubble that have shook the entire framework. Biggest being that the Midwest isn't really the AAU hub it was back in the 90s. Chris Webber talked about this recently on a podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson. Chicago, Detroit, Indiana were major hot spots back in the 90s. The scene has really gone national for a variety of reasons. You also have to consider how the shift began with Kevin Garnett going pro out of high school in 1995.

A lot of moving parts and IU has not seemed to be able to keep up. I think UCLA has also been hit hard by this. UK, UNC, Duke and KU all seem to have kept the beat going.

 

[NDdomer2]

Historically speaking, yeah, they're one of the six Blue Blood programs. They have yet to win a Big Ten Tournament and have won the regular season crown three times this century.

It's fallen off a bit to say the least. They should be a factor in the Big Ten and going deep into the tournament. That hasn't been happening for a while.

A lot of factors in play outside of their post Knight bubble that have shook the entire framework. Biggest being that the Midwest isn't really the AAU hub it was back in the 90s. Chris Webber talked about this recently on a podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson. Chicago, Detroit, Indiana were major hot spots back in the 90s. The scene has really gone national for a variety of reasons. You also have to consider how the shift began with Kevin Garnett going pro out of high school in 1995.

A lot of moving parts and IU has not seemed to be able to keep up. I think UCLA has also been hit hard by this. UK, UNC, Duke and KU all seem to have kept the beat going.

and if im not mistaken they were all mentioned in the FBI cases in regards to shoe money/aau programs.

It isnt a secret how teams have stayed at the top in the one and done era.

 

[IrishLion]

Rumors starting to go around in the Greater Cincy area that UC is negotiating a contract with Erik Martin, with designs on Nick Van Exel being his top assistant.

Van Exel would probably be a head coach candidate himself, but he doesn't have his degree. Hopefully he works on that if he really does join the staff as an assistant lol.

 

[Rogue219]

and if im not mistaken they were all mentioned in the FBI cases in regards to shoe money/aau programs.

It isnt a secret how teams have stayed at the top in the one and done era.

Duke wasn't named. Wendell Carter Jr. was. I believe an ND player was named in that report as well. The case you are referring to centered strongly around Kansas, NC State, Louisville and Miami.

The one and done rule is utterly ridiculous. Doesn't seem to be an issue for baseball and hockey. That's a different discussion, though.

Different ways to skin a cat I suppose. Indiana not succeeding however you slice it.

 

[Irish#1]

Historically speaking, yeah, they're one of the six Blue Blood programs. They have yet to win a Big Ten Tournament and have won the regular season crown three times this century.

It's fallen off a bit to say the least. They should be a factor in the Big Ten and going deep into the tournament. That hasn't been happening for a while.

A lot of factors in play outside of their post Knight bubble that have shook the entire framework. Biggest being that the Midwest isn't really the AAU hub it was back in the 90s. Chris Webber talked about this recently on a podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson. Chicago, Detroit, Indiana were major hot spots back in the 90s. The scene has really gone national for a variety of reasons. You also have to consider how the shift began with Kevin Garnett going pro out of high school in 1995.

A lot of moving parts and IU has not seemed to be able to keep up. I think UCLA has also been hit hard by this. UK, UNC, Duke and KU all seem to have kept the beat going.

What you’re describing falls back on the coach. The talent may be spread out more, but that doesn’t mean the coach can’t spread his recruiting area to make up for it. Sampson was getting the kids and was pretty successful but his past came back to haunt him. That’s a bad coaching hire. Crean was getting top kids and was doing pretty well, but he was inconsistent from one year to the next and he had several NBA players on his teams.

UNC kept getting top players because they didn’t have to attend class or took easy online classes. There’s been several rumors lately floating around about Coach K. I suspect more will come out after he hangs it up. Kentucky speaks for itself. They’ve been cheating since Rupp ruled the sidelines.

 

[Rogue219]

Rumors starting to go around in the Greater Cincy area that UC is negotiating a contract with Erik Martin, with designs on Nick Van Exel being his top assistant.

Van Exel would probably be a head coach candidate himself, but he doesn't have his degree. Hopefully he works on that if he really does join the staff as an assistant lol.

Van Exel seems destined to be in the NBA again at some point. This is a good gig for him, though.

 

[IrishLion]

Van Exel seems destined to be in the NBA again at some point. This is a good gig for him, though.

Clifton sources taking the L...

UC is hiring UNC Greensboro’s Wes Miller. Quality hire, and getting a guy with HC and program-building experience.

Perhaps most importantly, a few of the guys in the transfer portal might stick around now.

 

[Rogue219]

Love the Miller hire. This will be his chance to come up while Davis holds down the UNC job. If Miller gets it done at UC, he's next in line.

Admittedly I know nothing about the Gonzaga assistant that Arizona hired. I suppose this makes sense that they want to pick an apple off of the Few Tree. Getting the keys to a good program.

 

[NDdomer2]

Love the Miller hire. This will be his chance to come up while Davis holds down the UNC job. If Miller gets it done at UC, he's next in line.

Admittedly I know nothing about the Gonzaga assistant that Arizona hired. I suppose this makes sense that they want to pick an apple off of the Few Tree. Getting the keys to a good program.

I've read it's highly because of his chops of over seas recruiting and zona having 7 foreign players.

You don't see too many 20 year tenured assistants these days.

 

[Rogue219]

I've read it's highly because of his chops of over seas recruiting and zona having 7 foreign players.

You don't see too many 20 year tenured assistants these days.

Isn't Arizona Basketball facing some sanctions?

 

[Rogue219]

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[NDdomer2]

Isn't Arizona Basketball facing some sanctions?

if NCAA ever does anything.

 

[Rogue219]

Krzyzewski has decided that he will retire from Duke following the 2021-22 season. Assistant and former player Jon Scheyer is the heavy favorite to take over. Sounds like a done deal.