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Definately man... I'm trying not to get too confident but it looks really good. This guy is just a baller and could be used in a number of ways.
'08 FL CB/WR Jeremy Brown (Florida Verbal)
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Well, I love that he's moving his visit up, but I do have to say that I wish this was the "other" Brown -- the one from Kansas -- who was eager to get to South Bend.
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Like to see us take one away from the sec.
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that is always special isn't it...like I said I love it when we take them away from sec acc pac 10
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I'll add the Big Integer to that list. Nothing better than watching LLLoyd and Cheaty pout when they lose a highly regarded kid to "The Devil of the Midwest".
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What day next week is Jeremy visiting so we can start the countdown....I know i'm sounding a tad optimistic, but do you really think CB won't close the deal in person with this kid?
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Friday and Saturday I believe.
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And I thought you were a pessimist, looks like somebody found a ray of sunshine.
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Well, there's good reason for that. Reportedly not only did Jeremy and his dad move up their plans to visit ND in about a week and a half, but if it were up to his dad Jeremy would be going to ND, and if that wasn't enough RJ Blanton was working him on the phone the other night, and Jeremy changed his dad's screen saver/wallpaper to a ND theme.
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If there is space for Jeremy (which there really should be), he's Irish. No ifs ands or buts about it. If you listened to the interview he did, read all the things he has to say about the coaches and school, hear the little things that are leaking out now, know how he and his Dad feel about the school, and you still think he's a Gator? I think you're clinically brain dead.
His Dad would have to be mugged, and Charlie Weis would have to personally kick Jeremy in the nuts to screw this one up.
I've said it before: Mike Frank picked a HELL OF A TIME to go on vacation! There could be 5 new kids on board by the time he gets back from Aruba, or wherever on God's green earth he is.
His Dad would have to be mugged, and Charlie Weis would have to personally kick Jeremy in the nuts to screw this one up.
I've said it before: Mike Frank picked a HELL OF A TIME to go on vacation! There could be 5 new kids on board by the time he gets back from Aruba, or wherever on God's green earth he is.
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Nebraska. He went to go see family since he hasn't been back home in a few years.
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Oh... haha... I've heard his rants about Nebraska... haha.
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Maybe?
The ongoing consensus theory is that ND wanted 3 DBs in this class.
The thing about Jeremy Brown is, he's been mentioned as a DB or a WR. So, if Brown commits, there's a chance we would still take McCarthy, and vice virsa. In the current condition, we may also just take 4 DBs, and stop recruiting at RB.
Point is, nobody really knows.
If you asked me a week ago, I'd say if Brown committed before McCarthy, then Dan is either all OSU or Stanford. But now that both could verbal within a month... well, I guess I'm not the only ND fan here watching thats revisiting their thought process on this one.
The ongoing consensus theory is that ND wanted 3 DBs in this class.
The thing about Jeremy Brown is, he's been mentioned as a DB or a WR. So, if Brown commits, there's a chance we would still take McCarthy, and vice virsa. In the current condition, we may also just take 4 DBs, and stop recruiting at RB.
Point is, nobody really knows.
If you asked me a week ago, I'd say if Brown committed before McCarthy, then Dan is either all OSU or Stanford. But now that both could verbal within a month... well, I guess I'm not the only ND fan here watching thats revisiting their thought process on this one.
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This is a good question ant80.
My humble opinion is that we got our top two targets at CB, and we should be focused on a safety. A bunch of folks will say that if we get McCarthy, we can always slide Jeremy to offense to play WR. I think this would be a mistake. I'm going to go ahead and say it ... I think there are better WRs out there that we shouldn't settle. I believe that is what we used to do, and the resurgence in ND recruiting should mean that things have changed.
My thinking is that Brown had an offer as a CB, but CB filled up. Sorry Jeremy. Would anyone rather have Jeremy Brown at WR than Floyd, Baldwin or Butler. Brown is a good player, but our sights should be set on the elite players in positions of need right now, not guys who we could slide to offense in a pinch.
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The only counter I have is that it may not be a case of we'd get Jeremy Brown over any of the remaining WR prospects. It would probably end up being we take Jeremy Brown over a RB prospect, like Carlton Thomas or Ryan Williams. That's the least "dire" recruiting need in this class if you ask most people. Hence you didn't see a 2nd wave of RB offers after McGuffie and Scott crossed us off their lists. So chew on that thought a bit as well.
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I'm with you, but there has been much talk about taking more WRs if the likes of Floyd, Baldwin and Butler all come on board. I'm thinking that the third commit of those three would come at the expense of a RB. Four, in my opinion, is probably a stretch. No way, IMHO, we take five WRs. With Goodman already on board, and four still deciding (Floyd, Baldwin, Butler, Brown) -- I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who woundn't agree that Brown would be the odd man out.
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I don't think we can pass on a guy like Brown. He's got some serious playmaking ability. We need all of those type of people we can get. It would be great to have a guy that we could slide in at WR, CB, DB, or punt/kickoff returner and get quality play from
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Not saying he isn't a good player -- clearly he is. I just don't think he'd ever see the field much ... and maybe for a long time. At CB, he'd have McNeil, Walls, Gray, Blanton and Slaughter in front of him. At WR, he'd be behind Grimes, West, Hord, Kumara, Tate, Goodman, and (hopefully) Floyd, Baldwin and Butler. Probably would even be burried in the depth chart returning kicks behind Allen, Tate, Walls, West. I just see him as one of those guys ND would jump on in the past, but now that we're setting a new recruiting standard, he's, unfortunately, one of those guys who could get left behind.
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you can forget about Butler, with EJ committing to Free Shoes, that might be all she wrote for Butler, only a mater of time till he gives his verbal to them now.
Its a race between McCarthy and Brown. They both have offers, I don't see the ND staff pulling an Urbie and telling either one no, just wait and see who else we get and we'll let you know which one we will take. If we get McCarthy, Brown, Baldwin, and Floyd, great, like you said, that would be a stretch, great problem to have though. We will have to see what shakes down, but Brown is too good of an athlete to pass on.
It is going to be really interesting to see how it all shakes out. If Floyd and Brown give their verbals in the next week or so, its going to be interesting to see what kind of preassure that puts on McCarthy and Baldwin to make a decision that much faster.
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First, don't know why he is 'automatically' behind those guys on the depth chart; the guy is a HS junior. We don't know how good any of these guys will be.
Secondly, although they were both recruited as corners, I suspect that one of either Blanton or Slaughter may eventually be looked at as a safety (if they fill out). Especially if Dan Mc looks some other way.
Thirdly, who's to say that we get Butler, Baldwin, and Floyd? Certainly rumored to be positive with Floyd, but Butler is a huge question and I am not expecting Baldwin to commit. If none of those guys pan out, we walk away with only 1 WR in this class (John Goodman).
Brown appears (on film) to be both a ball hawk and a playmaker. He appears to have good hands, and isn't afraid of contact. I wouldn't call taking him 'settling' anymore than it would be 'settling' for Dayne Crist instead of T Pryor.
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I think a few people are taking the "Corwin Brown wants physical corners, that's why he's going after Blanton and Slaughter" thing too far.
Fact of the matter is, we can have those guys AND get a smallish, quick CB to help us.
The fact is, the majority of college football goes three-wide, and in the slot, you usually have a smaller guy. Brown can cover this with his quickness and speed.
Just because we've recruited certain types, don't get carried away. Flexibility is huge week in and week out -- if you're playing Penn State one week, yeah you want guys like Slaughter and Blanton. But when USC comes into town, you're going to need all the speed you can get.
Fact of the matter is, his size won't keep him off the field. Parcells and Belichick have constantly relied on big, physical corners (Ty Law) as well as small, fast guys (Maurice Hurst, Tyrone Poole, Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs).
We shouldn't get carried away here -- you need to be flexible on the defensive side of the football, and Brown gives us this flexibility. It'll be a scholarship well spent if/when he commits.
Fact of the matter is, we can have those guys AND get a smallish, quick CB to help us.
The fact is, the majority of college football goes three-wide, and in the slot, you usually have a smaller guy. Brown can cover this with his quickness and speed.
Just because we've recruited certain types, don't get carried away. Flexibility is huge week in and week out -- if you're playing Penn State one week, yeah you want guys like Slaughter and Blanton. But when USC comes into town, you're going to need all the speed you can get.
Fact of the matter is, his size won't keep him off the field. Parcells and Belichick have constantly relied on big, physical corners (Ty Law) as well as small, fast guys (Maurice Hurst, Tyrone Poole, Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs).
We shouldn't get carried away here -- you need to be flexible on the defensive side of the football, and Brown gives us this flexibility. It'll be a scholarship well spent if/when he commits.
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Maybe I misspoke. He'd have to beat out those guys go get on the field is what I should have said.
Jeremy is 5-10 and 170. We've got a boat load of guys that size at WR and that is one of the primary reasons that folks are a bit nervous about our coming year at WR. And, for a guy that size, he really isn't a burner either (4.5 40). Not slow by any means, but 4.5 is about average for a bigtime college wideout.
At CB, we're going after bigger, more physical guys, which is why I'd think he'd have trouble beating out guys like Blanton and Slaughter, or even Walls. Also, I'm not real sure that Blanton or Slaughter will move to safety because we are pretty deep at safety right now, even if we don't get one this year.
Jeremy is 5-10 and 170. We've got a boat load of guys that size at WR and that is one of the primary reasons that folks are a bit nervous about our coming year at WR. And, for a guy that size, he really isn't a burner either (4.5 40). Not slow by any means, but 4.5 is about average for a bigtime college wideout.
At CB, we're going after bigger, more physical guys, which is why I'd think he'd have trouble beating out guys like Blanton and Slaughter, or even Walls. Also, I'm not real sure that Blanton or Slaughter will move to safety because we are pretty deep at safety right now, even if we don't get one this year.
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At WR, size isn't an issue. Charlie's offenses have always relied on small, quick guys. Look at his years in New England -- David Givens was the biggest WR at 6'0 215.
But I meant moreso on defense. When you say this:
That's all fine and good, but let's not get carried away here. 3-4 years from now, let's assume Blanton and Slaughter are the starting corners, with Harrison Smith and McCartney (just for arguments sake) on the field.
Well, if we play an offense that utilizes four-wide, our defense's nickel package comes in. We need someone to cover the slot. Walls, MacNeil, Slaughter, and Blanton won't be covering the slot, because their abilities will be put on the bigger guys.
We'll need a guy like Brown to cover that slot position. Again, if all we recruit is the big, slightly slower guys, then we'll have some trouble. We need flexibility on defense, flexibility that Brown would provide at corner.
And on offense, just believe me when I say that guys like Grimes, West, Tate, and hopefully Brown would have just as much, if not more, impact than guys like Goodman, Floyd, and Kamara. Charlie loves the small, quick guys -- they're perfect for his offense.
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Jeremy Brown is a playmaker, period. Not because of his speed, but because of his play making ability. He's very shifty, and led his team to the Semi's by himself. Grimes, West, Hord, Kumara, and tate are great, but Brown has that take it to the house ability whenever he catches the ball. He's 170, but I think we forget that he's only a high school junior.
I highly doubt Charlie turns him away if he's making a visit next week. If McCarthy supposedly gave Corwin his word, wouldn't he let Jeremy know if he was full? I think Jeremy is more of a threat to McCarthy because he only plays safety.
I highly doubt Charlie turns him away if he's making a visit next week. If McCarthy supposedly gave Corwin his word, wouldn't he let Jeremy know if he was full? I think Jeremy is more of a threat to McCarthy because he only plays safety.
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I like having problems like this one. I can't wait to see what happens next year.