'08 NJ LB Brendan Beal (Florida Verbal)

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FleaFlicker said:
It sounds a little like you don't think much of BC as a school. I'm sure you know it is one of the best schools in the country. I agree that ND beats it in terms of Football team and tradition (obviously). but as far as academics go, they are basically identical.
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Based on what criteria? I'm not big on school rankings, but can you name me one ranking that has ND & BC equal. ND also offers a superior range of college programs and facilities. Did you read Beal's statement about the ND Business School program? Did you also read that the same program was one of the major contributing factors in Sean Cwynar's selecting Notre Dame. Have you done a comparison of both schools, including visits to the physical sites, while determining which school offers a superior education for your child?

Flea Flicker- I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you about ND & BC because you usually only post about things that you are knowledgeable about, but in this case, you either do not know the facts, or someone from BC has steered you wrong. BC is a Top 50 National University, but it is nowhere near ND on any level, and that is the reason why 8 out of 9 students who are accepted to both ND & BC end up choosing Notre Dame.
 
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irishunclebill said:
Based on what criteria? I'm not big on school rankings, but can you name me one ranking that has ND & BC equal. ND also offers a superior range of college programs and facilities. Did you read Beal's statement about the ND Business School program? Did you also read that the same program was one of the major contributing factors in Sean Cwynar's selecting Notre Dame. Have you done a comparison of both schools, including visits to the physical sites, while determining which school offers a superior education for your child?

Flea Flicker- I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you about ND & BC because you usually only post about things that you are knowledgeable about, but in this case, you either do not know the facts, or someone from BC has steered you wrong. BC is a Top 50 National University, but it is nowhere near ND on any level, and that is the reason why 8 out of 9 students who are accepted to both ND & BC end up choosing Notre Dame.
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All I'm saying is that BC is not a bad school, in fact, it is a very good school. My Girlfriend is going there for Grad school, so perhaps I have a bit of bias in that regard. But Obviously I am a huge ND homer (Dad, Sister, Aunt, Uncle all went there, Grandparents live in SB).

One ranking has BC at 34th best in the country, and ND at 20th.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

Ok, that makes ND slightly higher. Their admissions standards are very very similar, however. And I've actually had friends get into ND that didn't get into BC.

One point that I don't really have much background on is ND's business school compared to BC's. I know ND's is very good, but I don't know about BC's. I've looked many places for a link of the business school rankings and the best I can find are a few top 10 lists, and neither BC nor ND are on any of them. If you can find a ranking, I'd be open to it, I just don't know, and I'll admit to that.

My only point was to show that BC, is also a very good school. To be 14 spots behind ND is not a huge gap when you think of the amount of Colleges that are being ranked. Basically, I think soem people may lump BC next to schools like Georgia, Louisville, or some other decent but not ND-quality school. And all I was saying was that they deserve more credit than that.
 
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I also agree that BC is a good school, and I also would never lump it in with the schools you mentioned either. The reason why I made the first post was not to denigrate BC. I guess I did not make my point clear enough. The BC writer was actually denigrating Notre Dame by saying that BC was only competing academically with Ivy League Schools for Brendan Beal. By inference, the guy is saying that ND can not compete with Boston College academically. That is my problem with a lot of BC people, they think that they are so far academically superior to ND that it puts them on an Ivy League level. No unbiased person would say that. I believe that ND is superior academically than BC, but I agree that they are not so far different as to put BC into a lower level of academic excellence, and I would never try to compare ND academically with the elite Ivy League schools like the BC writer was attempting to do.
 
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irishunclebill said:
I also agree that BC is a good school, and I also would never lump it in with the schools you mentioned either. The reason why I made the first post was not to denigrate BC. I guess I did not make my point clear enough. The BC writer was actually denigrating Notre Dame by saying that BC was only competing academically with Ivy League Schools for Brendan Beal. By inference, the guy is saying that ND can not compete with Boston College academically. That is my problem with a lot of BC people, they think that they are so far academically superior to ND that it puts them on an Ivy League level. No unbiased person would say that. I believe that ND is superior academically than BC, but I agree that they are not so far different as to put BC into a lower level of academic excellence, and I would never try to compare ND academically with the elite Ivy League schools like the BC writer was attempting to do.
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Yeah, I see your point now. I got a better jist of it when I read your original post the second time. The original BC article was putting BC a tier above ND, and I obviously didn't notice that, and don't agree with it.

I think BC has a complex because they are a good school that is in New England, so they assume they are like any other elite New England school, when they are realistically a step beneath (whereas most schools are a few steps beneath) the Ivy League's. So you are right, it was an arrogant and off-base statement on the part of the BC writer.

But I have to point out that you hear ND is almost an Ivy League school, and many random ND fans would put ND way above BC academically, if for no other reason than because they don't know any better.

I assumed you realized they were a good school, but I was just playing devil's advocate and checking. No ill-will intended.
 
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Agreed. I also re-read my first post that you quoted as saying that you get the feeling that I don’t think much about BC as a school. I wanted to make sure that I was being fair to BC as an academic institution, and I really did not put BC down as a school, just the person who wrote the Beal article. My basic point was that for the best combination of football and academics that at the present time ND is clearly the #1 school in the country. I also agree with you as I said earlier that ND should not compare itself academically to the Ivy League schools, and that is for 2 reasons, #1 we are not at that level and probably never will be, and #2, to do so is to practice the same kind of intellectual snobbery that I criticized the BC guy for doing in the first place.

No ill will here either. Always enjoy discussing topics with you, it was fun.
 
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FleaFlicker said:
All I'm saying is that BC is not a bad school, in fact, it is a very good school. My Girlfriend is going there for Grad school, so perhaps I have a bit of bias in that regard. But Obviously I am a huge ND homer (Dad, Sister, Aunt, Uncle all went there, Grandparents live in SB).

One ranking has BC at 34th best in the country, and ND at 20th.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

Ok, that makes ND slightly higher. Their admissions standards are very very similar, however. And I've actually had friends get into ND that didn't get into BC.

One point that I don't really have much background on is ND's business school compared to BC's. I know ND's is very good, but I don't know about BC's. I've looked many places for a link of the business school rankings and the best I can find are a few top 10 lists, and neither BC nor ND are on any of them. If you can find a ranking, I'd be open to it, I just don't know, and I'll admit to that.

My only point was to show that BC, is also a very good school. To be 14 spots behind ND is not a huge gap when you think of the amount of Colleges that are being ranked. Basically, I think soem people may lump BC next to schools like Georgia, Louisville, or some other decent but not ND-quality school. And all I was saying was that they deserve more credit than that.
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ND is ranked #7 while BC is @ #14
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/
 
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Start a post on BC vs. ND then everytime i look i think theres Brendan Beal updates and its just BC vs. ND for about 10 posts
 
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Another interview in which Beal praises ND's academics (along with BC).

Another coach that has really impressed Beal is Charlie Weis from Notre Dame. "What isn't there to like about Notre Dame," Beal said. "They are the total package. I love what coach Weis is doing and they just brought in a big-time quarterback, Jimmy Clausen, so I think they'll be rollin' the next few years. Also, they have the academic reputation I'm looking for."
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http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=183&p=2&c=629829
 
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I hear USC, PSU, and LSU offered a few days ago. Hmmmmm, with that offer list I don't see him not being a 5 star prospect.
 
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He has amazing offers, he is my #1 recruit to get unlike Filer who i havent seen much of and doesn't have the offers Beal does he's smart, humble and very good...talks us up alot. If he really cares about education he'll chose us or yes even BC because he is a legacy and it is a good school even though i don't like them.
 
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I've read an numerous boards that he has recieved a USC offer and now they are his leader. Poodle told him he would start LB as a freshman which is saying something for Beal beleiving him. I guess acedemics aren't that big of a concern anymore, i just ignore when recruits say acedemics are a factor in the first place but with him he sounded legit...disgusting just...disgusting..
 
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I've read an numerous boards that he has recieved a USC offer and now they are his leader. Poodle told him he would start LB as a freshman which is saying something for Beal beleiving him. I guess acedemics aren't that big of a concern anymore, i just ignore when recruits say acedemics are a factor in the first place but with him he sounded legit...disgusting just...disgusting..
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FWIW, I don't believe it. The board talk is based on a ridiculously written interview where it was written that Beal also basically said that he loved the Cockwad, with some other idiotic comment that sounded like Meyer told Beal that he would be the Captain of his defense. Some complete moron started this whole thing, similar to the "Golf Cart Tour", except poorly written to boot. Beal like Sweat is a little too accomodating for his own good and is going to continue to take a beating in the recruiting rags as long as he continues to be so. IMO, Beal is sincere about the education aspect, especially the biz school aspect, and with 2 BC graduates as parents, education will be a critical element in his decision. He is coming to visit ND shortly, the timing is a little fuzzy, but it appears to be sometime next week before the B&G game. Sean Cwynar should be around the day of Beal's visit to talk about the ND undergrad business school, it is one of the reasons why he picked ND. At the end of the day after all of the unholy triumvirate (OSU, USC, Florida) smoke clears, IMO it's going to be either BC or ND for Beal.
 
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Yeah, I would have to think the education aspect is actually very important for Beal (and not just lip service).

The kid's parents are both BC grads, so I assume he is in an environment that stresses education.

He also mentioned not only business, but investment banking as well. Kid has to be really serious about academics to be talking about i-banking.

I majored in finance and I hadn't even heard of investment banking until my sophomore year.

When all the smoke clears, I think it's a BC-ND battle all the way.
 
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Beal is supposed to be on campus next week, either on Monday or Wednesday, for a visit, but will not be here for the B&G game.
 
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rumored to have silently verballed to SC and if not he atleast has them way out infront
 
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Wow. That sucks. I don't think anybody saw that coming.

You're absolutely right, Axl, about the "academics comes first" BS. Goshdarnit.
 
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hey guys, lets not crucify the kid before anythings confirmed. Unless someone can show me something besides a rumor I gotta believe the kids still in play.
 
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Why would verballing to Southern Cal mean he isn't interested in academics. USC's reputation as an academic institution isn't all that different from Notre Dame's.

And wasn't Beal one of the players who was interested in Business? As far as objective rankings go USNews has USC's Business school ranked quite a few spots ahead of Mendoza.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/mba/brief/mbarank_brief.php

I'm not sure why people always have to make comments denigrating a kid's focus on academics just because he chose a school other than Notre Dame. It's unfortunate if he did decide to go elsewhere but sometimes ND's not the best fit for everyone.
 
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Doomsday Device said:
Why would verballing to Southern Cal mean he isn't interested in academics. USC's reputation as an academic institution isn't all that different from Notre Dame's.
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Umm ... this is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. USC is widely known among Californians as pretty much a JOKE of an undergraduate institution, whether for athletes or otherwise.
 
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i might have to use negative reps... in fact we all should. jk but never say that again
 
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