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RING!!! RING!!! RING!!!!! That's the sound the phones at Oregon State, Syracuse and Maryland are making right now.
College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)
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kmoose
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Like I said:
Kizer: 189/298(63.4%), 2600 yards, 19 TDs, 9 INTs
Jones/Barrett: 184/292(62.5%), 2241 yards, 18 TDS, 8 INTs
Very similar numbers....
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See this
OSU has really struggled to throw deep this year and their passing in general has been just ok. Now our DBs might make them look good but they are not a good passing team.
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Sure, if you frame it like that to give OSU credit for every game and only count Kizer, who essentially played 10 games, they're similar. But that's not an accurate picture of who's the better passing offense right now. Per game averages, Kizer owns them.
Kizer has 260 YPG against better teams, OSU's dua has 187 YPG. So they're the same if you take out one 75 yard Kizer bomb per game.
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For the love of f'in God.............. NO ONE EVER SAID THAT OSU WAS A BETTER PASSING TEAM!!!
What I said was that they CAN pass the ball. Their two headed monster at QB has very similar numbers to what Kizer has put up. So if OSU can't pass the ball, then you have to stipulate that ND can't pass the ball with Kizer, either. The point was that you can't just dismiss OSU's passing game. Do that, and they will hammer your d!ck into the dirt like a bent fvckin' nail.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
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The problem is that isn't a fair (or good) comparison. Keizer only played 10.5 games or so. Compare Zaire/Kizer and Barrett/Jones to get a true look at the quality of their pass game. Also we aren't exactly a great passing team this year either. OSU struggled this year because unlike last year they couldn't hit the deep ball. Now our DBs might just be bad enough to make them look good during this game but they are not a good passing team.
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It's not a question of who has the better pass game!! The initial statement was "OSU can't pass the ball". Well, their passing game has had roughly the same success as ND's with Kizer in. If someone told you that ND couldn't pass the ball once Zaire went down, you would call them crazy.....
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Obviously, we're a significantly better passing team. Obviously, OSU can pass the ball and if we game plan like they can't we're going to get smoked.
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If you think having 260 passing yards per game vs 185 yards per game passing is about the same in regards to 'who's a better passer', you should start watching soccer. It's a lot easier to follow.
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Having actually watched both teams play, I can say with certainty that OSU's passing game is inferior to ours. We can move the ball in the air at will between the 20s. They cannot.
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Absolutely. My worry is we make every opposing team look like the Rams greatest show on turf.
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Fact.
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And you should get back in the kitchen with the other girls.........
Would you want to taste anything Koon cooked considering his apparent difficulty with reading comprehension?
#JustSayingNoHate
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Would you want to taste anything Koon cooked considering his apparent difficulty with reading comprehension?
#JustSayingNoHate
Let the women sort out the kitchen duties.... of course, one of the other women will have to go into the crawlspace for extra case of water that is stored there.
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Only thing I cook is kmoose's posts and I burn them on the reg so not sure you'd want to try them.
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First of all, I don't want to get looped in to all the conjecture here but I'll say 2596 yards divided by 10.5 games played gives you 247. Compared to 187 that shouldn't be considered "similar". Thats an extra scoring drive every single game, thats a big deal. Just like saying 247 to 307 isn't "similar"
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If we were just talking about yards, I would agree. And you have to put it into context. The context was not that OSU's passing offense was as good as ours. The context was that you can't say that OSU "can't pass". I only used our numbers to compare, because no one on this board would be dumb enough to assert that ND "can't pass" with Kizer in there.
You say it's an extra scoring drive every single game. I say it is two more failed Red Zone trips each game. There is ample evidence for both of our views.
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This is what you posted.
60 yards/game is NOT similar, it would mean 32% more production from their QB position should they be able to accomplish that.
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Again, yardage is not the only stat that I posted........... their completion percentage was almost the same, and the TDs/INTs was very similar as well.
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in 1.5 less games. That is a significant amount of time. Did you by chance watch many OSU games this year?
Against
Penn St. 114 total passing yards
N. Illinois 146 total passing yards
Michigan St. a ghastly 46 passing yards.
Kizer had one game like that (WF) which I believe was 111 yards.
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So you're saying that this is evidence that OSU can't throw the ball? Because, despite having three pretty horrible games, they still averaged only sixty yards less per game than Kizer? I hope that our defensive coaches don't see it the same way, or we might as well not even take the field.
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Nope. What it says is that OSU loaded up on passing yards against horrible defenses such as Maryland (84), Rutgers (112), and Indiana (121). Any decent defense that played OSU shut down their passing game. Sorry to break it to you but OSU's passing game has been horrible this year.
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That's a fair assessment, I think. But I guess we have different definitions of horrible, as it pertains to the OSU passing game. What it tells me is that they are competent passing the ball, but perhaps not very talented. Therefore, they are able to take advantage of weaker pass defenses, but get shut down by the better ones. If they were just flat out horrible, then they would have struggled against at least one of the "horrible defenses". So now what you have to do is ask yourself this............. do you consider ND's pass defense to be one of the better ones, or one of the weaker ones?
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So then they're NOT similar to our passing attack.
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Average. We should give up 180 yards (plus or minus 20 or so to them). Of course or DBs make me a little nervous but OSU hasn't been able to really hit much deep this year and has mostly stuck with the short passing game. Not missing tackles on the short passes will matter a lot.
Having said that:
The key to winning the game is stopping EE. If ND holds him to under 100 yards (and around 4 yards a carry) we should win. If we can't stop him, we are screwed.
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I tend to agree. But OSU can pass enough that you can't just stick 9 guys in the box and expect them not to hang 350+ yards passing, and 50+ points on you.
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1). OSU can pass the ball, but nowhere near as well as we can;
2). OSU played a crummier schedule than we did;
3). If we load the box excessively vs Elliot, they are plenty dangerous enough passing to move the ball and score, especially given our safeties and no Russell;
4). we will not load the box excessively because with Day, Rochell, Tillery, Cage, Okwara, JJones, Trumbetti, Martini, JSmith, we will not need to {I didn't mention Joe since that derails threads, but he'll fill one gap too}.
5). Elliot will gain some yards but not nearly enough.
6). Barret will pass for a few yards but not nearly enough.
7). the hyper-explosive Kelly offense will be a THING that these guys haven't seen all year.
We good. We better. We win.
2). OSU played a crummier schedule than we did;
3). If we load the box excessively vs Elliot, they are plenty dangerous enough passing to move the ball and score, especially given our safeties and no Russell;
4). we will not load the box excessively because with Day, Rochell, Tillery, Cage, Okwara, JJones, Trumbetti, Martini, JSmith, we will not need to {I didn't mention Joe since that derails threads, but he'll fill one gap too}.
5). Elliot will gain some yards but not nearly enough.
6). Barret will pass for a few yards but not nearly enough.
7). the hyper-explosive Kelly offense will be a THING that these guys haven't seen all year.
We good. We better. We win.