Charlie Weis

[brownkj002]

Now, I want to start off with this is my opinion and I will not be offended if you disagree with me. With all the talk about firing CW because he can't recruit D or he can't close. I would think that would be the worse move ND has made in a very long time (or ever). I really think that ND is at a pivotal point in history with it's football program. If a high profile coach who has won multiple Super Bowls can not succeed at ND; then who would be the coach that can do it. The media would be all over this as we all know. ND would only be able to land 2nd tier coaches like BOB and TY. I know that throughout history, ND has had down years but they won at least one NC every decade. We are now getting to the point where some of these recruits weren't even born when ND last won it's NC. ND needs CW to succeed more than what we think. If ND fires CW at some within the next few years (doubtful), I honestly think ND won't be able to make it up to the elites. So to all that think CW is not the right fit for ND, I really think that you should reexamine the situation.

 

[FleaFlicker]

Weis isn't going anywhere, don't worry about it. He has 2 or three more years before people start really talking. And even then... it will only be if we start having routine .500 seasons and poor recruiting classes (i.e. Willingham)

 

[irish4ever]

Weis isn't going anywhere, don't worry about it. He has 2 or three more years before people start really talking. And even then... it will only be if we start having routine .500 seasons and poor recruiting classes (i.e. Willingham)

Agreed! Then again, if ND has .500 seasons with the talent Charlie and his staff are landing I believe that Charlie would resign before it comes to the possbility of being "let go". Even without knowing how many wins the Irish will have or whether they win any national title anytime soon, I hope that Charlie ends his coaching career at ND. It's great to know that we have an excellent coach that won't "skate around" the NCAA rules and regulations nor will he undermine the integrity of what Notre Dame stands for when recruiting and coaching the Irish student athletes. That in itself means a damn lot IMHO.

 

[ND FANATIC]

First of all, anyone that thinks CW should/could/will be fired is flat wrong. He turned a floundering program around in two years and returned pride in be a ND fan. The ND fans "problem" is that he turned them around too fast and raised our expectations higher than they should ever have been, which has led to the nonsensical talk of any him failing somehow.
The past couple of days have been tough on the recruiting front, with losing Trattou and Smith, but we'll be fine. Next year may be a little tough at times, but I believe it may be one of the more exciting seasons in recent memory. With all the new young talent and a new def/DC its hard to predict what they will look like, but I know that every ND is excited to see what they can do. I believe that after next year, things will only get better.
As far as people worrying about .500 seasons, with the exception of possibly next year, I'm not even worried about it. The way that the AD is working the future schedule, we should have a gauranteed 8 or 9 wins every year. And once we start winning the big games, a NC isn't far behind.
The one thing I would say to all of the people who have been ND fans longer than 2-3years is that we have been through the worst of it. Things really are looking up.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

First of all, anyone that thinks CW should/could/will be fired is flat wrong. He turned a floundering program around in two years and returned pride in be a ND fan. The ND fans "problem" is that he turned them around too fast and raised our expectations higher than they should ever have been, which has led to the nonsensical talk of any him failing somehow.
The past couple of days have been tough on the recruiting front, with losing Trattou and Smith, but we'll be fine. Next year may be a little tough at times, but I believe it may be one of the more exciting seasons in recent memory. With all the new young talent and a new def/DC its hard to predict what they will look like, but I know that every ND is excited to see what they can do. I believe that after next year, things will only get better.
As far as people worrying about .500 seasons, with the exception of possibly next year, I'm not even worried about it. The way that the AD is working the future schedule, we should have a gauranteed 8 or 9 wins every year. And once we start winning the big games, a NC isn't far behind.
The one thing I would say to all of the people who have been ND fans longer than 2-3years is that we have been through the worst of it. Things really are looking up.

fanatic
One entry found for fanatic.


Main Entry: fa·nat·ic
Pronunciation: f&-'na-tik
Variant(s): or fa·nat·i·cal /-ti-k&l/
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin fanaticus inspired by a deity, frenzied, from fanum temple -- more at FEAST
: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion <they're fanatic about politics>


as long as we all know where fans come from!

 

[RI Domer]

Charlie has done so much for this program. Things do not happen in one or two years. There is some serious competition out there. And for ND to be right at the cusp of something big is so much better position than we have been in since Lou Holtz was here. Losing to the top two or three teams in the country hurts every time but looking at the big picture you must see ND beat all lesser opponents in 06 (let us forget for a moment by how many points). That is a big improvement. ND need to only take a last step to begin to get in the class of OSU and USC. Charlie's critics speak of D, well with Corwin Brown he has adressed that we can only wait and see how that works out. The man is in his 2nd year of head coaching. He is a fine coach not a magician. This is not Bob "everytime I get a chance I will speak poorly of CW" Davie or Ty "what? your supposed to recruit?" Willingham. I belive we are in good hands and the future to me looks bright.

 

[solo]

The "Fire Weis" guys are just acting out on the emotion of losing a few defensive recruits, that's all. I don't think anyone truly believes that Weis should be fired.

He has plenty of room to improve, but firing him at this point would simply be suicide for the program. He has done a good job to this point and deserves to be here 3 more years. If in year 5 we still have no defense and are being blown out by the big boys, then it's time for a change. But any talk of firing Weis at this point is pure nonsense.

 

[IrishinTN]

People need to get a grip. If you take all things as equal, Charlie is doing a pretty good job in a tough spot. His talent level, from what Ty Worthlessham left here, was pathetic, yet he has still only lost 3 games each of the past two years. Greg Schiano's first regular season game was an 80-3 loss to West Virginia. Do you think those fans all started screaming for his head? Urban Meyer's national championship at Florida is only further evidence that they didn't give Zook enough time either. You have to give CW 3 more years until you start talking firing, and the reason you give him 3 more, where Worthlessham didn't get it, is the hope for the future Charlie has brought last year and this year (even with a few defections) via recruiting. They will be better than people think next year, and even more so the year after that.

 

[RI Domer]

The "Fire Weis" guys are just acting out on the emotion of losing a few defensive recruits, that's all. I don't think anyone truly believes that Weis should be fired.

He has plenty of room to improve, but firing him at this point would simply be suicide for the program. He has done a good job to this point and deserves to be here 3 more years. If in year 5 we still have no defense and are being blown out by the big boys, then it's time for a change. But any talk of firing Weis at this point is pure nonsense.

Well said. ND cannot be a school that changes coaches every couple of years. It does not work on any level of sport consistency is a major key to winning. Coaches on a college level are given the toughest task of any coach recruiting. Then after recruiting nurturing talent. It takes some real time.

 

[Freeman Ara]

People need to get a grip. If you take all things as equal, Charlie is doing a pretty good job in a tough spot. His talent level, from what Ty Worthlessham left here, was pathetic, yet he has still only lost 3 games each of the past two years. Greg Schiano's first regular season game was an 80-3 loss to West Virginia. Do you think those fans all started screaming for his head? Urban Meyer's national championship at Florida is only further evidence that they didn't give Zook enough time either. You have to give CW 3 more years until you start talking firing, and the reason you give him 3 more, where Worthlessham didn't get it, is the hope for the future Charlie has brought last year and this year (even with a few defections) via recruiting. They will be better than people think next year, and even more so the year after that.

I totally agree, it is mandatory that you give Weis atleast one full recruiting cycle(let his first full class get to graduation) before you even think about makinga change, which I just don't see happening anyway. I think if it come to the point where after 5 years Weis is still losing to USC and other elite programs he himself would make a change, as someone esle already stated. Lets look at it this way in two years Weis has gone from making a 6-6 team into a back-to-back BCS game participant, he has raised the level of expectations so high so soon that now people are talking about a coaching change get real.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

We just had back to back 9-3 seasons right? Why is everyone's underwear to tight right now. Charlie hasn't even started playing with his recruits. Please give this time, no program is built over night.

 

[ojo_223]

We just had back to back 9-3 seasons right? Why is everyone's underwear to tight right now. Charlie hasn't even started playing with his recruits. Please give this time, no program is built over night.

Totally agree! Anyone who thinks Weis should be fired is insane. Things are only getting better.

 

[solo]

I totally agree, it is mandatory that you give Weis atleast one full recruiting cycle(let his first full class get to graduation) before you even think about makinga change, which I just don't see happening anyway. I think if it come to the point where after 5 years Weis is still losing to USC and other elite programs he himself would make a change, as someone esle already stated. Lets look at it this way in two years Weis has gone from making a 6-6 team into a back-to-back BCS game participant, he has raised the level of expectations so high so soon that now people are talking about a coaching change get real.

Well...I think he earned that full recruiting cycle by going to back to back BCS games. I don't think every coach deserves this. If the team has shown progress, then you give the guy 5 years. If no progress is made or the team is moving backwards, you cut your losses after year 3.

 

[TexasNDFan]

People who think that Coach Weis needs to be fired are delusional, he took over a program that was a stone throws away from hitting rock bottom. ND has been to back to back BCS bowls and if they have even a mediocre defense, the games would have been alot closer. Yes we lost Trattou, but we will gain alot more down the road, because if the Irish defense makes any kind of improvement, you will see the defensive recruits come running. The only foot hold other coaches have to stand on, is the bad defense, next year Brown will have a chance to prove himself as a defensive coordinator and if he makes a big splash, their is no way ND will have recruits taken away from them.

So to you Urban Meyer just remember, you opened that door, so I don't want to hear any whining that Coach Weis is not playing fair for stealing recruits already verbaled to Florida.

Meyer may have won this battle, but Weis will win the war.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

fanatic
One entry found for fanatic.


Main Entry: fa·nat·ic
Pronunciation: f&-'na-tik
Variant(s): or fa·nat·i·cal /-ti-k&l/
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin fanaticus inspired by a deity, frenzied, from fanum temple -- more at FEAST
: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion <they're fanatic about politics>


as long as we all know where fans come from!

"Can I hear the word used in a sentence please..."

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Well...I think he earned that full recruiting cycle by going to back to back BCS games. I don't think every coach deserves this. If the team has shown progress, then you give the guy 5 years. If no progress is made or the team is moving backwards, you cut your losses after year 3.

I'm glad someone added that caveat about earning the full recruiting cycle w/ back to back BCS bids. Otherwise, ND fans are setting themselves up for the obvious argument of ND haters: "You didn't give Willingham a full recruiting cycle, so why give Weis one". Well had Ty hadn't followed his 1st season w/ a losing season that may be the case, but like the earlier poster aptly described it, ND doesn't recruit itself in today's college game. Everyone has the same scholarship limitations & everyone is at least regionally on TV.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Now, I want to start off with this is my opinion and I will not be offended if you disagree with me. With all the talk about firing CW because he can't recruit D or he can't close. I would think that would be the worse move ND has made in a very long time (or ever). I really think that ND is at a pivotal point in history with it's football program. If a high profile coach who has won multiple Super Bowls can not succeed at ND; then who would be the coach that can do it. The media would be all over this as we all know. ND would only be able to land 2nd tier coaches like BOB and TY. I know that throughout history, ND has had down years but they won at least one NC every decade. We are now getting to the point where some of these recruits weren't even born when ND last won it's NC. ND needs CW to succeed more than what we think. If ND fires CW at some within the next few years (doubtful), I honestly think ND won't be able to make it up to the elites. So to all that think CW is not the right fit for ND, I really think that you should reexamine the situation.

I think Weis is fine as far as job security. None of the "experts" will expect much from the Irish next season, so if he can go 8-3 or 7-4 w/ no embarrassing blow outs, even the haters will have to give him props for successfully handling ND's "growing pains". And ND did go w/o a NC in both the 50s & the 90s, so don't lose hope.

Remember the recent drought USC went through? Ask the average college f'ball fan who Pete Carroll replaced as HC & they'll be clueless. Remember Carson Palmer before Carroll & staff (Norm Chow) got a hold of him? Brady Quinn went through the same evolution & wasn't as hyped coming out of high school as Palmer.

Urban Meyer may not have awakened a sleeping giant but he sure as hell started a battle that he may well regret. Is it a coincidence that Meyer & Mattison (both former ND assts) were able to talk a solid verbal recruit into switching teams? Don't know if Charlie Strong was in on Trattou's commitment, but I'm confident Meyer & Mattison didn't need his help in bashing the Irish.

Everything, not just in sports either, goes in cycles. Notre Dame will be back among the elite...sooner rather than later!

 

[sonomairishfan]

Now, I want to start off with this is my opinion and I will not be offended if you disagree with me. With all the talk about firing CW because he can't recruit D or he can't close. I would think that would be the worse move ND has made in a very long time (or ever). I really think that ND is at a pivotal point in history with it's football program. If a high profile coach who has won multiple Super Bowls can not succeed at ND; then who would be the coach that can do it. The media would be all over this as we all know. ND would only be able to land 2nd tier coaches like BOB and TY. I know that throughout history, ND has had down years but they won at least one NC every decade. We are now getting to the point where some of these recruits weren't even born when ND last won it's NC. ND needs CW to succeed more than what we think. If ND fires CW at some within the next few years (doubtful), I honestly think ND won't be able to make it up to the elites. So to all that think CW is not the right fit for ND, I really think that you should reexamine the situation.

if anybody thinks that CW should be fired they are a complete moron. Give him some time, the defense will come around now that we got rid of what's his name.

 

[ojo_223]

Well...I think he earned that full recruiting cycle by going to back to back BCS games. I don't think every coach deserves this. If the team has shown progress, then you give the guy 5 years. If no progress is made or the team is moving backwards, you cut your losses after year 3.

Okay. Now, solo, I don't want to take this the wrong way, but we are going to struggle a little bit this coming year. I would love to see a 3rd straight BCS bowl, but I don't think that anyone expects that. You say if the team move backwards cut your losses after 3 years. We will move backwards a little in 07 at least in wins and losses, though the team (especially the D) may improve. You won't be disappointed if we go 8-4 and beat Texas Tech or somebody in a bowl, will you?? Just asking.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Okay. Now, solo, I don't want to take this the wrong way, but we are going to struggle a little bit this coming year. I would love to see a 3rd straight BCS bowl, but I don't think that anyone expects that. You say if the team move backwards cut your losses after 3 years. We will move backwards a little in 07 at least in wins and losses, though the team (especially the D) may improve. You won't be disappointed if we go 8-4 and beat Texas Tech or somebody in a bowl, will you?? Just asking.

Hate to say it, but just reading the words "beating somebody in a bowl" are sweet music to my ears.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

Okay. Now, solo, I don't want to take this the wrong way, but we are going to struggle a little bit this coming year. I would love to see a 3rd straight BCS bowl, but I don't think that anyone expects that. You say if the team move backwards cut your losses after 3 years. We will move backwards a little in 07 at least in wins and losses, though the team (especially the D) may improve. You won't be disappointed if we go 8-4 and beat Texas Tech or somebody in a bowl, will you?? Just asking.

How about 7-3?

 

[onenybrother]

Charlie gonna realize next year the honeymoon is over.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

Charlie gonna realize next year the honeymoon is over.

So will the rest of the league. ND is no more Mr. Nice Guy

 

[choo choo]

ncbcschamps (i singled you out because you sound like a raiders fan too?) and the rest of you all, i couldn't agree more. i hate seeing these fire cw posts already. drive to mcdonalds and get a big mac if you want something that fast. or just hire urban slither to cheat his way into the national spotlight and then leave again in 4 years (nfl calling next...i doubt it...can't buy recruits in that league). give cw a chance...after all he did take ty's recruits to two bcs games, how many other coaches out there could have done that (besides the great snake meyer)? i love cw and im poud he's our coach. i live in tennessee and it has been tough to be a nd fan here for awhile. now they hate us again and im all smiles as the wins pile up. no we havent won a "big" game yet, but remember we are having to dig out of the "davietymes." and those days are gone as we go after 5 and 4 star athletes instead of a 3-star guy being a target.
back to you ncbcschamps, im a raiders fan too...id love to see them trade moss and porter for some offensive line help and take either johnson or russell/quinn, depending on what kind of help they get on the ol. if not they need to take thomas. noakd

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Well...I think he earned that full recruiting cycle by going to back to back BCS games. I don't think every coach deserves this. If the team has shown progress, then you give the guy 5 years. If no progress is made or the team is moving backwards, you cut your losses after year 3.

Curious, do you think this years team was better than last years team?

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

Curious, do you think this years team was better than last years team?

I think this years opponents were better not so much our team was better or worse. I think the offense played a little worse and the defense played a slight bit better. OLine Killer and we still gave up the deep ball.

 

[choo choo]

sorry, but i believe this years team was just as good, and our opponents were a bit more "aware" of us than they were a year ago (coming off ty with a guy with no head coaching experience). i think it will be very refreshing to see our defensive guys reacting to the plays, and not having to still be looking at their wristbands while the play is going on. im looking forward to seeing what this staff can do with these young guys in the next couple of years.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

sorry, but i believe this years team was just as good, and our opponents were a bit more "aware" of us than they were a year ago (coming off ty with a guy with no head coaching experience). i think it will be very refreshing to see our defensive guys reacting to the plays, and not having to still be looking at their wristbands while the play is going on. im looking forward to seeing what this staff can do with these young guys in the next couple of years.

Was the defense really that complicated that everyone needed a wristband?

 

[solo]

Okay. Now, solo, I don't want to take this the wrong way, but we are going to struggle a little bit this coming year. I would love to see a 3rd straight BCS bowl, but I don't think that anyone expects that. You say if the team move backwards cut your losses after 3 years. We will move backwards a little in 07 at least in wins and losses, though the team (especially the D) may improve. You won't be disappointed if we go 8-4 and beat Texas Tech or somebody in a bowl, will you?? Just asking.

No I expect a 7 or 8 win season next year. And that will still be a better than where TW left the program. What I meant by :step backwards" is if the new coach has made zero imporvement from the previous coach in his first 3 years, then your fire him. We have already seen Weis improve the team dramatically.

 

[solo]

Curious, do you think this years team was better than last years team?

No I don't. I think ND 2006 was actually slightly worse than ND 2005. However, both ND 2005 and 2006 were way better than any team Tyrone fielded. So my 3 year rule should be more accurately stated "has the coach made imoprovements in 3 years over the previous coach"?