College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[johnnycando]

"Playing nobody."

This is my point. Who has ND played that is better than Iowa.

I'm not trolling. Look at the schedule.

You want names?

Omg.

Bruh.

Take a lap. Read. I broke it down for you!!! Nobody=team with shitty record.

There 2 names in particular that scream to me Iowa wants in the SEC badly:

2015 Iowa Hawkeyes Football Schedule

 

[IrishinSyria]

From the article:

Don't act like that list is some unassailable "proof". Two of our 5 games against teams over .500 were against teams from the AAC. Navy played 3 decent teams this year and went 1-2. We lost to Clemson. That means we've beaten 2 power 5 teams with a record better than .500 this year.. Pitt (8-4) and USC (7-4).

I'm a ND fan. Unlike Jayhawk, I don't have a second or third team, I'm all in ND. But ND's SOS is not great this year. Period. It's not terrible, but it's not good enough to jump an undefeated team.

I've got to say, I was hoping that you would tone down your rhetoric on this after finding your foot in your mouth on tuesday. You can be a die hard fan and still take a step back and see the writing on the wall. You don't have to cherry pick only the favorable stats and ignore all the rest, or ignore the committee's clear mandate to only put us in the top 4 if we are unarguably one of the best 4 teams in the country.

I think we have a strong argument, but by the committee's mandate, a strong argument is not good enough for ND.

 

[johnnycando]

Don't act like that list is some unassailable "proof". Two of our 5 games against teams over .500 were against teams from the AAC. Navy played 3 decent teams this year and went 1-2. We lost to Clemson. That means we've beaten 2 power 5 teams with a record better than .500 this year.. Pitt (8-4) and USC (7-4).

I'm a ND fan. Unlike Jayhawk, I don't have a second or third team, I'm all in ND. But ND's SOS is not great this year. Period. It's not terrible, but it's not good enough to jump an undefeated team.

I've got to say, I was hoping that you would tone down your rhetoric on this after finding your foot in your mouth on tuesday. You can be a die hard fan and still take a step back and see the writing on the wall. You don't have to cherry pick only the favorable stats and ignore all the rest, or ignore the committee's clear mandate to only put us in the top 4 if we are unarguably one of the best 4 teams in the country.

I think we have a strong argument, but by the committee's mandate, a strong argument is not good enough for ND.

My foot is up your ass.

Because we are comparing Iowa and ND.

"Unassailable?"

Give me the meat and potatoes Jihad Jane. Your turn.

Show me how Iowa "has a better résumé."

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Don't act like that list is some unassailable "proof". Two of our 5 games against teams over .500 were against teams from the AAC. Navy played 3 decent teams this year and went 1-2. We lost to Clemson. That means we've beaten 2 power 5 teams with a record better than .500 this year.. Pitt (8-4) and USC (7-4).

I'm a ND fan. Unlike Jayhawk, I don't have a second or third team, I'm all in ND. But ND's SOS is not great this year. Period. It's not terrible, but it's not good enough to jump an undefeated team.

I've got to say, I was hoping that you would tone down your rhetoric on this after finding your foot in your mouth on tuesday. You can be a die hard fan and still take a step back and see the writing on the wall. You don't have to cherry pick only the favorable stats and ignore all the rest, or ignore the committee's clear mandate to only put us in the top 4 if we are unarguably one of the best 4 teams in the country.

I think we have a strong argument, but by the committee's mandate, a strong argument is not good enough for ND.

The "Jayhawk is a troll" is just stupid. I'm as homer as it gets. Ask IrishHokie.

 

[johnnycando]

The "Jayhawk is a troll" is just stupid. I'm as homer as it gets. Ask IrishHokie.

I never called you a troll.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Don't act like that list is some unassailable "proof". Two of our 5 games against teams over .500 were against teams from the AAC. Navy played 3 decent teams this year and went 1-2. We lost to Clemson. That means we've beaten 2 power 5 teams with a record better than .500 this year.. Pitt (8-4) and USC (7-4).

I'm a ND fan. Unlike Jayhawk, I don't have a second or third team, I'm all in ND. But ND's SOS is not great this year. Period. It's not terrible, but it's not good enough to jump an undefeated team.

I've got to say, I was hoping that you would tone down your rhetoric on this after finding your foot in your mouth on tuesday. You can be a die hard fan and still take a step back and see the writing on the wall. You don't have to cherry pick only the favorable stats and ignore all the rest, or ignore the committee's clear mandate to only put us in the top 4 if we are unarguably one of the best 4 teams in the country.

I think we have a strong argument, but by the committee's mandate, a strong argument is not good enough for ND.

Its not about ND having a great schedule, it's about ND having a better schedule than Iowa.

For Chist sake, their non-con was an FCS, North Texas, and Iowa State. Those 3 teams combined for 3 wins against FBS teams...

Iowa may have played some good teams, but when you have 4 bye weeks, it's less impressive.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I never called you a troll.

LAX did. It hurt.

 

[johnnycando]

Bottom line: Iowa will get shit stomped soon. Hopefully and probably in the Big 10 championship game.

Unfortunately they'll be this "epic elite team" for Mich St, OSU, or best chance Meat Chicken to beat.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think our schedule is better than Iowa's, but not by much. Clemson is the team that clearly stands out, but even that will be evened out by the B1G championship game.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Bottom line: Iowa will get shit stomped soon. Hopefully and probably in the Big 10 championship game.

Unfortunately they'll be this "epic elite team" for Mich St, OSU, or best chance Meat Chicken to beat.

Could be. But I'd prefer a legit argument. The O Line is very good and the defense is very disciplined.

Notre Dame is better. But Iowa is very good.

 

[johnnycando]

Don't act like that list is some unassailable "proof". Two of our 5 games against teams over .500 were against teams from the AAC. Navy played 3 decent teams this year and went 1-2. We lost to Clemson. That means we've beaten 2 power 5 teams with a record better than .500 this year.. Pitt (8-4) and USC (7-4).

I'm a ND fan. Unlike Jayhawk, I don't have a second or third team, I'm all in ND. But ND's SOS is not great this year. Period. It's not terrible, but it's not good enough to jump an undefeated team.

I've got to say, I was hoping that you would tone down your rhetoric on this after finding your foot in your mouth on tuesday. You can be a die hard fan and still take a step back and see the writing on the wall. You don't have to cherry pick only the favorable stats and ignore all the rest, or ignore the committee's clear mandate to only put us in the top 4 if we are unarguably one of the best 4 teams in the country.

I think we have a strong argument, but by the committee's mandate, a strong argument is not good enough for ND.

And skimming over your far from fair day weather posts, it's easy to see I am your polar opposite as to my outlook vs yours.

So what's makes you feel better when an antidepressant is failing?

 

[GoldenDomer]

I think our schedule is better than Iowa's, but not by much. Clemson is the team that clearly stands out, but even that will be evened out by the B1G championship game.

Except we lost by 2 at their place playing 1 quarter of good football.

Iowa will lose by 17 in a dome.

Again, they played an FCS team, 1 team in North Texas that should be in FCS, and Iowa State... how is that respectable?

Our weak games are still ACC teams, there's are the bottom feeders of college football.

 

[yankeehater]

I am sorry, but Iowa's schedule is pathetic. Have yet to play OSU, UM or MSU in their conference. I laugh when the strength of a conference is brought up in the equation because there are too many teams in a conference for them ever to play each other year in and year out. It always seems the teams that come out of nowhere in these conferences miss the strong teams within their conference that year. How many teams have they played whose head coach is no longer with team because of their crappy seasons? SOS is a big fat joke for Iowa!!!

 

[johnnycando]

Except we lost by 2 at their place playing 1 quarter of good football.

Iowa will lose by 17 in a dome.

Again, they played an FCS team, 1 team in North Texas that should be in FCS, and Iowa State... how is that respectable?

Our weak games are still ACC teams, there's are the bottom feeders of college football.

^
Sad you had to point that out.

I inferred it above to make them do homework.

I guess it's easier to bitch and argue against the team you supposedly are a fan of, amirite?

 

[koonja]

ELE.

 

[johnnycando]

Extinction level event?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Except we lost by 2 at their place playing 1 quarter of good football.

Iowa will lose by 17 in a dome.

Again, they played an FCS team, 1 team in North Texas that should be in FCS, and Iowa State... how is that respectable?

Our weak games are still ACC teams, there's are the bottom feeders of college football.

Again, I agree that our schedule is better, just not better enough to outweigh the fact that Iowa is undefeated. If Iowa loses the B1G championship game and is still ranked ahead of us, then you'll hear me bitching.

As for our weak teams, Wake/BC/UMASS are hardly better. Their collective wins are against:

Elon
Army
BC
Maine
Howard
Northern Illinois
Buffalo
FIU
Eastern Michigan

That's one power-5 team and, yes, it's one of the three.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Again, I agree that our schedule is better, just not better enough to outweigh the fact that Iowa is undefeated. If Iowa loses the B1G championship game and is still ranked ahead of us, then you'll hear me bitching.

As for our weak teams, Wake/BC/UMASS are hardly better. Their collective wins are against:

Elon
Army
BC
Maine
Howard
Northern Illinois
Buffalo
FIU
Eastern Michigan

That's one power-5 team and, yes, it's one of the three.

If you dont think Wake, BC, and UMASS are head and shoulders better than Illinois State, North Texas, and Iowa State, we simply will have to agree to disagree cause in my opinion, that's absurd.

 

[IrishinSyria]

If you dont think Wake, BC, and UMASS are head and shoulders better than Illinois State, North Texas, and Iowa State, we simply will have to agree to disagree cause in my opinion, that's absurd.

I think they're better. I don't think they're that much better that it's going to make a big difference to the committee. Iowa's bottom 3 teams are terrible, ours are very bad. It's not like evaluating the bottom of a schedule is ever a metric that's used anyway.

 

[IrishHokie22]

If you dont think Wake, BC, and UMASS are head and shoulders better than Illinois State, North Texas, and Iowa State, we simply will have to agree to disagree cause in my opinion, that's absurd.

UMASS is heads and shoulders better than Iowa St.? Huh?

 

[IrishHokie22]

The "Jayhawk is a troll" is just stupid. I'm as homer as it gets. Ask IrishHokie.

It's true!

I'm kidding. I have no problem with Jayhawk. We just don't see eye to eye, sometimes, in the game chats.

He's not a troll though. At all.

 

[GoldenDomer]

UMASS is heads and shoulders better than Iowa St.? Huh?

I was saying that group of games is head and shoulders better than the other 3 games.

 

[IrishHokie22]

I was saying that group of games is head and shoulders better than the other 3 games.

Oh. Makes more sense.

I agree that they're better but I'm not sure if it's leaps and bounds.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Oh. Makes more sense.

I agree that they're better but I'm not sure if it's leaps and bounds.

Come on man. Dont just pick a side of the argument and close your eyes.

Illinois State and North Texas...

North Texas gives up 43 points a game, and scores only 15 in Conference USA...

Illinois State is the 2nd best team in their FCS conference.

Just the fact that BC had the best statistical defense in FBS would make playing them and taking an extra bye week wayyyyyy better than playing both of those.

 

[IrishLax]

LAX did. It hurt.

When someone links you the same thing multiple times and you refuse to read it until like time #5 when he quotes it in a post, that's textbook trolling. Which is exactly what was going on with you and johnny.

I don't like playing the asshole, but over the past two weeks or so it's what I keep falling into because people like you just put your fingers in your ears and go "LAH LAH LAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND I'LL BELIEVE WHAT I WANT TO BELIEVE." When someone tells you Iowa isn't good because all objective measures tell you so and then you have other people showing why their resume also sucks, and your response is "yeah but let's match up three games. Also, good OL and discipline"... like what are we even doing at this point? Do you actually believe what you're saying? I assume not really, because a lot of your most recent posts seem more reasonable.

So I'm not addressing this to you, I'm just making this post in general about Iowa.

FACT: Advanced stats and all objective team analysis puts Iowa way outside the top 4. Football Outsider's F/+ -- which combines FEI and S&P+ -- pegs Iowa as the #25 team in the country. This suggests that Iowa doesn't suck, but that they aren't good.

For reference, F/+ puts Notre Dame 4th behind Alabama, Clemson, and Oklahoma.

FACT: Iowa has generally played bad teams, and has not looked particularly great doing so, which is why they're rated where they are. They have 6 one score games, most of which they didn't have much game control during the contest (i.e. two score game that goes to one score on a garbage time TD against backups, etc.).

Here is what they look like relative to ND, game by game from hardest to easiest (strength rating is via F/+).

NOTRE DAME IOWA
Clemson (#2) Wisconsin (#34)
Navy (#8) Pittsburgh (#38)
Stanford (#9) Nebraska (#41)
USC (#19) Northwestern (#43)
Temple (#36) Minnesota (#60)
Pittsburgh (#38) Indiana (#63)
Boston College (#68) Illinois (#67)
Georgia Tech (#69) Iowa State (#74)
Virginia (#81) Maryland (#80)
Texas (#86) Purdue (#90)
Wake Forest (#93) North Texas (#128)
UMASS (#100) Illinois State (UNRANKED)

So one to one... EVERY SINGLE GAME ON IOWA'S SCHEDULE IS EASIER THAN THE NOTRE DAME EQUIVALENT. Except for 7th and 9th hardest games... where they are equivocal in difficulty.

Most clearly, the top of Notre Dame's schedule which features four top 20 teams in terms of actual strength. These are good, talented teams that show it on the field... not record jockies that win through flukes or easy scheduling. The hardest team that Iowa has played isn't even in the top 30, and is pretty much equivocal to Temple (Notre Dame's 5th hardest game).

This should clearly establish the two important facts 1) Iowa is not good, because everything that measures how good a team is says they aren't good 2) Iowa's record is against a REALLY, REALLY BAD SCHEDULE and Iowa hasn't even played a good team yet much less a great team.

Goodnight.

 

[IrishinSyria]

When someone links you the same thing multiple times and you refuse to read it until like time #5 when he quotes it in a post, that's textbook trolling. Which is exactly what was going on with you and johnny.

I don't like playing the asshole, but over the past two weeks or so it's what I keep falling into because people like you just put your fingers in your ears and go "LAH LAH LAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND I'LL BELIEVE WHAT I WANT TO BELIEVE." When someone tells you Iowa isn't good because all objective measures tell you so and then you have other people showing why their resume also sucks, and your response is "yeah but let's match up three games. Also, good OL and discipline"... like what are we even doing at this point? Do you actually believe what you're saying? I assume not really, because a lot of your most recent posts seem more reasonable.

So I'm not addressing this to you, I'm just making this post in general about Iowa.

FACT: Advanced stats and all objective team analysis puts Iowa way outside the top 4. Football Outsider's F/+ -- which combines FEI and S&P+ -- pegs Iowa as the #25 team in the country. This suggests that Iowa doesn't suck, but that they aren't good.

For reference, F/+ puts Notre Dame 4th behind Alabama, Clemson, and Oklahoma.

FACT: Iowa has generally played bad teams, and has not looked particularly great doing so, which is why they're rated where they are. They have 6 one score games, most of which they didn't have much game control during the contest (i.e. two score game that goes to one score on a garbage time TD against backups, etc.).

Here is what they look like relative to ND, game by game from hardest to easiest (strength rating is via F/+).

NOTRE DAME IOWA
Clemson (#2) Wisconsin (#34)
Navy (#8) Pittsburgh (#38)
Stanford (#9) Nebraska (#41)
USC (#19) Northwestern (#43)
Temple (#36) Minnesota (#60)
Pittsburgh (#38) Indiana (#63)
Boston College (#68) Illinois (#67)
Georgia Tech (#69) Iowa State (#74)
Virginia (#81) Maryland (#80)
Texas (#86) Purdue (#90)
Wake Forest (#93) North Texas (#128)
UMASS (#100) Illinois State (UNRANKED)

So one to one... EVERY SINGLE GAME ON IOWA'S SCHEDULE IS EASIER THAN THE NOTRE DAME EQUIVALENT. Except for 7th and 9th hardest games... where they are equivocal in difficulty.

Most clearly, the top of Notre Dame's schedule which features four top 20 teams in terms of actual strength. These are good, talented teams that show it on the field... not record jockies that win through flukes or easy scheduling. The hardest team that Iowa has played isn't even in the top 30, and is pretty much equivocal to Temple (Notre Dame's 5th hardest game).

This should clearly establish the two important facts 1) Iowa is not good, because everything that measures how good a team is says they aren't good 2) Iowa's record is against a REALLY, REALLY BAD SCHEDULE and Iowa hasn't even played a good team yet much less a great team.

Goodnight.

For reference, this is the same F+ that has Navy at 8 and Houston at 42?

edit, also, if you're going to give us credit for Stanford you have to give them the championship game.

 

[johnnycando]

For reference, this is the same F+ that has Navy at 8 and Houston at 42?

edit, also, if you're going to give us credit for Stanford you have to give them the championship game.

So YOU take the time, list it out like he did, then show us how IT STILL DOESN'T CHANGE THE GENERAL TRUTH.

My gosh man.

 

[IrishinSyria]

So YOU take the time, list it out like he did, then show us how IT STILL DOESN'T CHANGE THE GENERAL TRUTH.

My gosh man.

It doesn't make sense to, because the stats are out of date. A large part of the reason I'm feeling so pessimistic right now is because "#8" Navy just got motorboated by #42 Houston. I don't know where they'll be ranked next week, but I'm willing to be it's not close to #8. Whether Iowa ends up playing Michigan, Michigan St, or Ohio St in the B1G championship game, the team will be a top 10 F+ team- likely higher, since whatever team it ends up being will have picked up an extra win.

More to the point, who cares about Iowa, they're not our problem. I've probably said it 5 times: they'll either lose and we'll jump them or they'll win and they'll be an undefeated Power 5 conference champion and they'll be in no matter what we think and no matter what the advanced metrics say.

If Big X was going to happen for us, we really needed Nebraska to win today. They didn't, now we've got to root hard for Oklahoma St, Auburn and Florida St and hope for the best.

 

[IrishLax]

For reference, this is the same F+ that has Navy at 8 and Houston at 42?

edit, also, if you're going to give us credit for Stanford you have to give them the championship game.

Obviously I can't list a game they haven't played yet when we don't know who the opponent is...

 

[IrishLax]

It doesn't make sense to, because the stats are out of date. A large part of the reason I'm feeling so pessimistic right now is because "#8" Navy just got motorboated by #42 Houston. I don't know where they'll be ranked next week, but I'm willing to be it's not close to #8. Whether Iowa ends up playing Michigan, Michigan St, or Ohio St in the B1G championship game, the team will be a top 10 F+ team- likely higher, since whatever team it ends up being will have picked up an extra win.

More to the point, who cares about Iowa, they're not our problem. I've probably said it 5 times: they'll either lose and we'll jump them or they'll win and they'll be an undefeated Power 5 conference champion and they'll be in no matter what we think and no matter what the advanced metrics say.

If Big X was going to happen for us, we really needed Nebraska to win today. They didn't, now we've got to root hard for Oklahoma St, Auburn and Florida St and hope for the best.

The stats are "out of date"? They're a couple games old at this point. Are you fucking kidding with that shit?

I honestly don't even get your point. Yes, all of ND's opponents are going to be underrated relative to their strength/performance on the field. Because they almost all play VERY tough schedules, and will pick up losses that teams playing insulated schedules won't. Human polls always have and always will factor losses over all, when objective analysis and statistics are smarter than that.

I'm not posting this because it's relevant to ND. I'm posting all of this because I'm sick and tired of people posting bullshit because they're either too lazy or otherwise refuse to look at how teams are actually playing adjusted for competition. I'm tired of the gross amount of misinformation.