Clemson Postgame...

[NDRock]

Alabama had a hard time getting up at home for Ole Miss.


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Yep, fumbled the opening kick if I remember.

 

[IrishLax]

You especially take the point if it costs you a crucial timeout to even have a chance for the 2 point conversion. Should have let the delay of game hit and take the point.

^this. No matter what way you slice it, you should take the penalty and kick rather than burn a timeout. However, I think Kizer might have taken the timeout on his own, so I won't put that on Kelly.

 

[theclassickiller]

Says who??? They had ZERO problem running it down out gullet. We couldn't stop D#ck until zero hour and they're just burning clock. Child, please.

Amen.

Sure it should have been caught, but it was the wrong call. Kelly made a huge mistake.

Amen.

Everyone was confused including the announcers. It was not the right call.

^ This guy knows what he's talking about.

 

[ScooterIrish]

Two Point Conversion Chart



I agreed with Kelly's call. Helps you know what you need later to do if you make it or not

Given we still had 25% left to play in the game, it was not the right call. Period.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Robinson drops an easy conversion. People question play call.
Fumbles and drops all over the field. Have some success with short underneath routes, then try to catch them off guard with Kizer play on conversion after some success with the pass. Tried to catch them off guard. I have absolutely no problem with play selection. The execution sucked. Proud of these kids.

 

[Junkhead]

I was glad to have KVR back, but he his been just ok so far. Maybe it is still rust, which is fair enough, but I hoped he'd own it quick.

 

[theclassickiller]

Jaylon was awful tonight. The offensive play calling hurt us in the first quarter. 4 fumbles inexcusable. Robinson needs to sit. The o-line needs to improve. The penalties were outrageously disapointing.

Kmoose I disagree about feeling bad for the players. The players played great in the 4th if the would have put just half that effort in to all 4 quarters we are looking at a different outcome. They made their bed now they must lay init. Maybe this will wake a few of these guys up.

The players won despite the playcalling tonight. I give them all the credit in the world. We were 10x the team Clemson was, the playcalling handed them the game.

 

[kmoose]

Sure it should have been caught, but it was the wrong call. Kelly made a huge mistake.

All the coaches can do is put the players in a position to succeed. Kelly's decision did just that; the play was botched by poor execution. That's not a bad coaching decision.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Simple analysis, special teams hurt the defense, drops killed drives, fumbles lost the game. Maybe bks 2 pt call is questionable? We wouldn't need it if the previous stuff didn't happen.

Bingo. I guess these turnovers were revenge for all those that we didn't commit in the first four games.

 

[KPENN]

The players won despite the playcalling tonight. I give them all the credit in the world. We were 10x the team Clemson was, the playcalling handed them the game.

Right, drops, turnovers had nothing to do with it either.

 

[returnofthemack]

WTF does that mean? You think it's a coaching issue that we tried to run the ball to start the game, behind one of the best offensive lines in CFB, with a back who is averaging 150 yards per game?

I think it's an issue when you're using delayed handoffs for runs up the middle when the defense is clearly bringing the house on every down.

 

[returnofthemack]

I think your first two paragraphs are the crux of it. I think it takes this staff too long to diagnose what is and isn't working. We've seen "run the damn ball" games when we should be pounding it but don't, but then in this game the running was clearly ineffective and we stayed with it for too long.

I also hate our VERSION of the running game. We run out of Big 12 passing formations and it isn't the most effective way to do it.

AMEN. I fucking despise all of these handoffs that take too long to develop and running out of the shotgun.

 

[ThePiombino]

It was the right call. Every points chart out there will say the same thing.

With that much time left?

 

[pkt77242]

The players won despite the playcalling tonight. I give them all the credit in the world. We were 10x the team Clemson was, the playcalling handed them the game.

You forgot the italics right? Right?

Son of a bitch you were serious. Turnovers, missed tackles, etc. were brutal. To say the player won despite the play calling shows that you are delusional.

 

[kmoose]

Says who??? They had ZERO problem running it down our gullet. We couldn't stop D#ck until zero hour and they're just burning clock. Child, please.

Child, please....... they have the #6 team starting to come back on them, and you think that they are "just burning clock", not trying to move the ball on us?

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Right, drops, turnovers had nothing to do with it either.

Re-watch the first half.

 

[NDRock]

Doesn't it seem weird to see Kelly on the sideline in his 5th season motioning for the QB to hurry? We saw that in year 1, 2, 3, 4, and now 5. It's become evident that the QB isn't the issue.

Don't get my wrong... I love Brian Kelly. But coaching faux pas have become too common, and at some point the coach can't blame the players any more... It's getting embarrassing. I'll take this any day over what we've had previously... but get your act together Kelly. A coach wins championships as much as the players do.

And I can guarantee that Meyer or Saban would will a championship with our talent.

Don't kid yourselves guys.

It's year 6. Time flies.

 

[Irish_Passion]

It's a good thing it actually takes a good amount of xp to be the head coach of Notre Dame!

Lots of armchairs on this forum. Just remember, you could be a Nebraska fan right now...

 

[GATTACA!]

I think your first two paragraphs are the crux of it. I think it takes this staff too long to diagnose what is and isn't working. We've seen "run the damn ball" games when we should be pounding it but don't, but then in this game the running was clearly ineffective and we stayed with it for too long.

I also hate our VERSION of the running game. We run out of Big 12 passing formations and it isn't the most effective way to do it.

I agree with both points.

Kelly seems to be excellent with adjustments. They just take far too long to make. The offense we ran in the 4th quarter was shredding Clemson. If we would have gone to that style earlier who knows what could have happened.

When we run out of the gun we are SSSSOOOOO SLLLLLLOOOOWWW. Plays take forever to get going and there is always penetration. This isn't really the crux of the problem today because i don't think we were running it either way, but this is sort of a constant issue.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Child, please....... they have the #6 team starting to come back on them, and you think that they are "just burning clock", not trying to move the ball on us?

Yessir... Burn baby, burn. And it almost worked against them too.

 

[IrishLax]

Child, please....... they have the #6 team starting to come back on them, and you think that they are "just burning clock", not trying to move the ball on us?

Moreover, there is no evidence of them moving the ball with efficiency any time after the first two drives... and generally speaking, their entire offense was a couple chunk plays on short fields.

They're not a good team and they did not play well. But we turned it over 4 times and gave up big returns and missed some tackles.

Watson's final stat line: 50% completions at 4.4 YPA (LOL) with 2 TDs and a pick.

They had under 300 yards of total offense as a team.

 

[theclassickiller]

Right, drops, turnovers had nothing to do with it either.

That's my point, KPENN. I have all the respect in the world for you, but if you can't see what I'm saying then I don't know what else to say.

Brown, Jones, Fuller, etc. had plenty to do with the outcome. But the fact remains that if Kelly goes for the PAT (like everyone with any common sense was saying to do) this game goes to overtime because the players stepped up. Kelly didn't. They made good on their mistakes. Kelly didn't. Plenty went wrong with this game. But the one consistent should be the coach. And he blew it. The 2-pt conversion was such an atrocious call I still can't wrap my head around it. And the last play couldn't have been more idiotic. It's like he didn't see the previous 4 quarters. Who calls that after seeing the rest of the game? Unreal. Absolutely unreal and still, to this point, unbelievable.

 

[kmoose]

I think it's an issue when you're using delayed handoffs for runs up the middle when the defense is clearly bringing the house on every down.

Really?

Delayed handoff is very similar to a draw play. I don't know how long you have been watching football but draw plays (or other delayed runs) are often used to slow down a big rush by the defense. The idea is that, by the time you hand it off, the defense has already gotten upfield and your back can slip in behind them. Give Clemson credit for lane discipline just plain beating the blockers.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The players won despite the playcalling tonight. I give them all the credit in the world. We were 10x the team Clemson was, the playcalling handed them the game.

Then you watched a different game than I did. Take away silly turnovers and we win by 10. That's not on play calling.

 

[Johannes]

Give Clemson credit.

Maybe it's the booze talking, but I give no credit to Clemson for this game. Fuck all of them; especially when they inevitably fuck up their season in the next month.

 

[pkt77242]

Really?

Delayed handoff is very similar to a draw play. I don't know how long you have been watching football but draw plays (or other delayed runs) are often used to slow down a big rush by the defense. The idea is that, by the time you hand it off, the defense has already gotten upfield and your back can slip in behind them. Give Clemson credit for lane discipline just plain beating the blockers.

To be fair you use draws against good outside pressure, against pressure up the middle it is not very effective.

 

[kmoose]

That's my point, KPENN. I have all the respect in the world for you, but if you can't see what I'm saying then I don't know what else to say.

Brown, Jones, Fuller, etc. had plenty to do with the outcome. But the fact remains that if Kelly goes for the PAT (like everyone with any common sense was saying to do) this game goes to overtime because the players stepped up. Kelly didn't. They made good on their mistakes. Kelly didn't. Plenty went wrong with this game. But the one consistent should be the coach. And he blew it. The 2-pt conversion was such an atrocious call I still can't wrap my head around it. And the last play couldn't have been more idiotic. It's like he didn't see the previous 4 quarters. Who calls that after seeing the rest of the game? Unreal. Absolutely unreal and still, to this point, unbelievable.

If you are so smart, and see things so clearly; why don't you provide us a list of all of the accolades that you have won for coaching NCAA DI-A football?

 

[NDRock]

The players won despite the playcalling tonight. I give them all the credit in the world. We were 10x the team Clemson was, the playcalling handed them the game.

Agree, can't believe Kelly called for Prosise to fumble that ball, or Sanders to fumble the opening kick off. How bout the play call where he told Kizer to throw it right at the middle linebacker? The worst one was the one where he told CRob to drop the long pass inside the 3.

Ultimately the coaches get credit/blame for the final score but play-calling did not hand Clemson the game.

 

[theclassickiller]

You forgot the italics right? Right?

Son of a bitch you were serious. Turnovers, missed tackles, etc. were brutal. To say the player won despite the play calling shows that you are delusional.

No I left italics off on purpose. That playcalling was beyond pathetic. If you were one of the 10 people in America that couldn't see how bad the 2-pt conversion vs. field goal and the last play were then I'm sorry.

It's year 6. Time flies.

touché.

Just makes my point more disappointing.

 

[yankeeND]

Moreover, there is no evidence of them moving the ball with efficiency any time after the first two drives... and generally speaking, their entire offense was a couple chunk plays on short fields.

They're not a good team and they did not play well. But we turned it over 4 times and gave up big returns and missed some tackles.

Watson's final stat line: 50% completions at 4.4 YPA (LOL) with 2 TDs and a pick.

They had under 300 yards of total offense as a team.

I agree. They aren't very good, but they got the job done so congrats to Clemson. Was a lot of fun too watch, I hate to lose, but them's the breaks. Great effort, but lots of backups for us. We have a bright future!