QU for the Lawyers - Employee Contract

[woolybug25]

I don't have to tell myself anything; I'm completely comfortable with my decision and would do it again.

No, they didnt. But they would likely have kept me on anyways because I have too much integrity to let the fact that I was leaving affect my work, and I was solely responsible for a few processes, one with over 100 million dollar annual impact, that I had to train a group of people on.

Sorry if I chuckle at you claiming to have integrity while admitting that you purposely screwed your company out of tuition reimbursement. lol

 

[woolybug25]

It's also a dumbass policy on Verizon's part. My employer (whomever that might be) has the same provisions on tuition reimbursement as they have on relocation and signing bonuses. Leave within a year, you pay back the whole thing.

Mine too, but just because a party opens themselves up for unethical behavior, doesn't absolve the person from being responsible for it.

 

[koonja]

Sorry if I chuckle at you claiming to have integrity while admitting that you purposely screwed your company out of tuition reimbursement. lol

I didn't screw them. That is their policy, in that there is none. You don't have to pay anything back if you leave the day after class ends. Like wiz said, it's a dumb policy. Or maybe they just don't care.

 

[koonja]

Lol @ unethical behavior. Now you're really stretching it.

 

[wizards8507]

Mine too, but just because a party opens themselves up for unethical behavior, doesn't absolve the person from being responsible for it.

Note that I said "also," not "yeah, but..."

 

[woolybug25]

I didn't screw them. That is their policy, in that there is none. You don't have to pay anything back if you leave the day after class ends. Like wiz said, it's a dumb policy. Or maybe they just don't care.

Lol @ unethical behavior. Now you're really stretching it.

How am I stretching it? You literally stayed on so you could get them to pay for your education, with no intent to actually stay. They certainly didn't pay for it without regard to whether you were employed, otherwise they would just offer it to the general public.

So lying isn't unethical?

 

[Cackalacky]

See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!

This was my reaction after about the second page.

 

[Irish Insanity]

It's also a dumbass policy on Verizon's part. My employer (whomever that might be) has the same provisions on tuition reimbursement as they have on relocation and signing bonuses. Leave within a year, you pay back the whole thing.

#ESPNMatters

 

[koonja]

How am I stretching it? You literally stayed on so you could get them to pay for your education, with no intent to actually stay. They certainly didn't pay for it without regard to whether you were employed, otherwise they would just offer it to the general public.

So lying isn't unethical?

They certainly did pay for it without regard to if I stayed afterwards, since, you know, their policy doesn't ask for me to stay. IDK how many ways there is to show you that they don't care. This has happend hundreds if not thousands of times to them, and they still don't change the policy, which would require one line of effort.

I gotta get back to work, lol.

 

[koonja]

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[woolybug25]

They certainly did pay for it without regard to if I stayed afterwards, since, you know, their policy doesn't ask for me to stay. IDK how many ways there is to show you that they don't care. This has happend hundreds if not thousands of times to them, and they still don't change the policy, which would require one line of effort.

I gotta get back to work, lol.

Ahh... the ol' "they didn't care, so it was okay" excuse.

If you really don't think there is anything wrong with taking the reimbursement when you know you aren't going to give them any return on that investment, then we clearly have different ethical compasses.

“The true test of a man’s character is what he does when no one is watching.”
― John Wooden

 

[koonja]

Agree to disagree. Spare me the moral lesson from your high horse. They said they'd hire me again. Abided by policy. Repaying what I owe. Left on great terms. No regrets. Gotta go to work, lol.

 

[woolybug25]

Agree to disagree. Spare me the moral lesson from your high horse. They said they'd hire me again. Abided by policy. Repaying what I owe. Left on great terms. No regrets. Gotta go to work, lol.

Yet you're on here asking if any of us know how you could avoid paying a portion of the debt?

Ok Koon... whatever you say, Koon....

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

 

[ND NYC]

so, they pay for you to get your mba...and your quibbling over a $50 potential tax issue?

good grief...its no wonder us old farts will never understand "millenials".

 

[koonja]

so, they pay for you to get your mba...and your quibbling over a $50 potential tax issue?

good grief...its no wonder us old farts will never understand "millenials".

The tax implications of half of my signing bonus is well over a grand. The 100 was a hypothetical. I had to keep it simple so Wizards could understand it.

 

[wizards8507]

so, they pay for you to get your mba...and your quibbling over a $50 potential tax issue?

good grief...its no wonder us old farts will never understand "millenials".

I'm a millenial and I still hate most of us.

 

[woolybug25]

The tax implications of half of my signing bonus is well over a grand. The 100 was a hypothetical. I had to keep it simple so Wizards could understand it.

Boo hoo....

 

[koonja]

Boo hoo....

No one's crying. I'm trying to find out exactly what my responsibilities are, per the agreed upon contract.

It's smart business to investigate and see what your responsibilities are rather than shell out whatever I'm asked. I do this on every piece of paper that comes my way with my name on it and a '$' sign. FYI, I'm paying the full amount without them knowing I researched the language of the contract.

 

[woolybug25]

No one's crying. I'm trying to find out exactly what my responsibilities are, per the agreed upon contract.

It's smart business to investigate and see what your responsibilities are rather than shell out whatever I'm asked. I do this on every piece of paper that comes my way with my name on it and a '$' sign. FYI, I'm paying the full amount without them knowing I researched the language of the contract.

If that's what you want to call it. Earlier you were trying to see if there was any way that you could simply not pay the taxes. Even though you knew that the company paid them.

Why does it matter if you told them or not? Thats a weird thing to say.

Plus... I would assume that you would just give them the benefit of the doubt since you already screwed them on the tuition reimbursement. How much freaking money to you have to welch from these people before you're happy?

 

[koonja]

If that's what you want to call it. Earlier you were trying to see if there was any way that you could simply not pay the taxes. Even though you knew that the company paid them.

Why does it matter if you told them or not? Thats a weird thing to say.

Plus... I would assume that you would just give them the benefit of the doubt since you already screwed them on the tuition reimbursement. How much freaking money to you have to welch from these people before you're happy?

Because the drama mamas on here are probably thinking Verizon and I are in some big feud, which isn't true. We left on excellent terms and no bridges were burnt.

Only what's owed to me per the contract and nothing more .

 

[woolybug25]

Because the drama mamas on here are probably thinking Verizon and I are in some big feud, which isn't true. We left on excellent terms and no bridges were burnt.

Just because they didn't know that you purposely worked them for tuition reimbursement. You should call them and let them know, see if they still like you.

Btw, I don't buy that you left on as good of terms as you say. They were probably being just being professional. I could see why that went over your head.

Only what's owed to me per the contract and nothing more .

You knew that they had the costs. Nice of you to admit that you were trying to screw them.

 

[koonja]

Just because they didn't know that you purposely worked them for tuition reimbursement. You should call them and let them know, see if they still like you.

Btw, I don't buy that you left on as good of terms as you say. They were probably being just being professional. I could see why that went over your head.



You knew that they had the costs. Nice of you to admit that you were trying to screw them.

They wouldn't care. If they did, they'd take 3 minutes and add a 'X-amount of time requirement or payback after finishing a class' requirement. Knowing my manager, she would say it was smart and she'd have done the same thing, lol.

It didn't. You weren't there, you don't know. Your opinion is based on literally no experience about my time for Verizon, so save it. It doesn't bother me.

No, I didn't. When I read the agreement before I started, I did not realize I was responsible for taxes on top of the lump sum I received as a signing bonus. It was not specified or made clear in the agreement. That is why I came here to ask the experts.

Just stop man. You're wasting your breath. You're not going to make me feel bad about how I left. I'd do it all over again and so would they.

"I don't scratch my head unless it itches and I don't dance unless I hear some music. I will not be intimidated. That's just the way it is."

 

[woolybug25]

They wouldn't care. If they did, they'd take 3 minutes and add a 'X-amount of time requirement or payback after finishing a class' requirement. Knowing my manager, she would say it was smart and she'd have done the same thing, lol.

It didn't. You weren't there, you don't know. Your opinion is based on literally no experience about my time for Verizon, so save it. It doesn't bother me.

No, I didn't. When I read the agreement before I started, I did not realize I was responsible for taxes on top of the lump sum I received as a signing bonus. It was not specified or made clear in the agreement. That is why I came here to ask the experts.

Just stop man. You're wasting your breath. You're not going to make me feel bad about how I left. I'd do it all over again and so would they.

"I don't scratch my head unless it itches and I don't dance unless I hear some music. I will not be intimidated. That's just the way it is."

I'm not wasting my breath, I'm not trying to change your opinion of yourself. You are going to convince yourself that you do no wrong either way. I don't give a $hit if you have a false image of yourself. I'm just telling you how I see you as an employee. Which is in bad light with poor ethical compass. I certainly wouldn't hire you after reading your opinions here. You constantly try to make it sound better than it is, but you are who you are...

 

[koonja]

I'm not wasting my breath, I'm not trying to change your opinion of yourself. You are going to convince yourself that you do no wrong either way. I don't give a $hit if you have a false image of yourself. I'm just telling you how I see you as an employee. Which is in bad light with poor ethical compass. I certainly wouldn't hire you after reading your opinions here. You constantly try to make it sound better than it is, but you are who you are...

Well good thing you could never afford me then .

I get what you're saying. If this happened to me (me being the employer), and it actually upset me, I would be mad at myself for having a poor policy, not the person who left. But they're obviously not upset since it is and has been their policy.

 

[ND NYC]

i'm lost Koon... now your talking about a "signing bonus" (not relocation fees)...much less tuition reimbursement.

 

[woolybug25]

Well good thing you could never afford me then .

I'm pretty sure that a commercial bank could afford you...

I get what you're saying. If this happened to me (me being the employer), and it actually upset me, I would be mad at myself for having a poor policy, not the person who left. But they're obviously not upset since it is and has been their policy.

Or they just don't know. I'm sure that if they were aware, they would change it. They're not in the business of paying for the education of non employees. If they were, then i'm pretty sure every college student in the country would hit them up. It's intellectually dishonest to presume they "don't care" because they haven't addressed it.

 

[wizards8507]

i'm lost Koon... now your talking about a "signing bonus" (not relocation fees)...much less tuition reimbursement.

Signing bonuses are often phrased as "relocation allowance." It's the same thing, and it's fully taxable as ordinary income.

 

[koonja]

I'm pretty sure that a commercial bank could afford you...



Or they just don't know. I'm sure that if they were aware, they would change it. They're not in the business of paying for the education of non employees. If they were, then i'm pretty sure every college student in the country would hit them up. It's intellectually dishonest to presume they "don't care" because they haven't addressed it.

You're kidding, right? Have you heard of Verizon before?

You don't think an employer with 200,000 employees, with tuition assistance immediately available to every salaried employee, is aware that their simple, one-page tuition policy does not require a person to repay any tuition if they leave after a class ends? You think I'm the first employee to surprise them like this? That's absurd. They're fully aware people can walk if they choose and they choose NOT to adjust to policy to protect against that. IDK how many time I, or Verizon's policy can tell you, they do NOT care... Nothing is stopping them from requiring repayment if they wish to.

 

[woolybug25]

You're kidding, right? Have you heard of Verizon before?

You don't think an employer with 200,000 employees, with tuition assistance immediately available to every salaried employee, is aware that their simple, one-page tuition policy does not require a person to repay any tuition if they leave after a class ends? You think I'm the first employee to surprise them like this? That's absurd. They're fully aware people can walk if they choose and they choose NOT to adjust to policy to protect against that. IDK how many time I, or Verizon's policy can tell you, they do NOT care... Nothing is stopping them from requiring repayment if they wish to.

So let me get this right... you want us to believe that Verizon doesn't care if they pay for the education of non-employees?

So you think that if I asked Lowell McAdam if he cared, he would say "nope, don't care".

Ok Koon... again... whatever makes you sleep good at night, lil partner.