ESPN Page 2 rips Quinn.

[FleaFlicker]

You say "see what you want to see". Well, what I want to see is an ND team that has as many 1st rounders as any other school. I want to see a legit top 5 ND team with studs at every position. But we simply aren't there yet.

Now, what did you see this year? Did you see Quinn carrying this team? Did he have any great games this year in which the ND defense lost the game? That's just not what I saw. I saw a QB that had many a great game versus average and below average opponents. I didn't see a QB that stepped up in the big games and made big play after big play in those games.

Quinn was a good QB for ND. He holds many records. But none of that will matter in the NFL. Can he read complex defenses? Will he be able to adjust to the speed of the NFL? None of these are givens evne with the most highly touted propsects. To assume that he is going to have a lights out NFL career simply because he is going to be drafted in the 1st round is naive. He has potential. But I wouldn't call him a lock.

I agree that you can't say he is going to be an absolute stud.

But you said he can't play against good college defenses. And then you said the NFL defenses are going to be a lot harder.

From those two statements, one could infer that your opinion of him is that he will do horribly in the NFL. After all, how COULD he do well if he couldn't carry his teams to wins over UM and USC, right?

And I don't think it's fair to say he is going to be a flop, either.

Talent-wise, we have around a #25 ranked team. In terms of the seniors and juniors next year. We will have around a #50 team.

The team is over-acheiving with less talent. Stick Quinn on a talented FB team and he will be just fine.

Stick him on a horrible FB team and he won't completely turn them around, but my guess is he will be a bit better than whatever QB that team is currently using. And this much is certain, Quinn is probably the toughest QB in CFB this year. When you take into account his 4-year career, how many times he gets hit/sacked, and how he has never had a substantial injury.

 

[solo]

Yeah, saying that he is destined to fail probably isn't fair either. I just don't see him as special. When Dan Marino went pro, you knew he would be great. Same with John Elway. Same with Peyton Manning.

I feel like guys here are putting him up on that pedestal. I don't see it.

 

[cdough77]

This article isn't as bad as some that I have read. I never remember a college football player getting ripped on as much as Brady Quinn does. You would think in a world filled with assholes that people would want to use Brady Quinn as an example of the way things should be done. It seemed all throughout the year these jerk off analysts (May, Craig James, Dennis Dodd, etc) took more time to tell everyone why quinn shouldn't win the award than they did telling us why one candidate should win. Thank you Brady for handling yourself with class throughout your career at Notre Dame!

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

When are we going to learn to stay away from ESPN articles? Honestly!!!

 

[IrishRamMan10]

Who cares what ESPN writers think... We all know what Brady is made of and waht he can do.

 

[OnwardToVictory07]

Yeah, saying that he is destined to fail probably isn't fair either. I just don't see him as special. When Dan Marino went pro, you knew he would be great. Same with John Elway. Same with Peyton Manning.

Oh really? You knew that 27th overall pick Dan Marino was destined to be great? Or that Peyton Manning, who half the people had #2 to Ryan Leaf, and who'd never (and still hasn't) won a big game, was destined to be great? You must also have known how bad Leaf was going to be- you should be doing this for a living, you're psychic. And you knew John Elway was destined to be great, but you must also have known that Eli Manning, despite being first overall pick, and a Manning, was destined to be mediocre.

Fact is, you knew none of this.

 

[VictorsValiant]

If this article does anything, it's to dispel this cult that has developed around Brady Quinn, very much like cult of JJ Redick.

Truth is, we have no idea whether or not Quinn will succeed in the NFL. We can only be sure if a QB prospect has NO WEAKNESSES. But Quinn has flaws, such as not being able to throw well under pressure, having no deep ball capability, and a tendency to disappear at the start of games.

In these cases, it really comes down to the system. If he's taken by Detroit, he will not succeed. Trust me, that's probably the worst NFL franchise out there. No one can succeed as a QB in Detroit.

On the other hand, if he goes to a place like Kansas City where the offense seems to be tailored towards his strengths, then his chances of succeeding increase.

Smith has the Vince Young factor. He might not put up the best numbers, but he's a WINNER. Look at Vince Young's passer rating now. It's not good at all, but he gets wins, and he doesn't have a lot around him at Tennessee. Quinn has not proven he is a winner. I understand the limitations of his team, how USC and Michigan simply had better players. And Quinn's win against Michigan last year wasn't exactly spectacular either. He was simply the least incompetant QB that day. He only threw for 140 yards that day, and we ended up 7-5 and unranked at the end of the year. But the fact remains, has Quinn ever beaten at top 10 team (ranked at the end of the year)?

But the best reason to stop all this nonsense about Quinn's future greatness is that there have been cases where one QB has carried the whole load for a team with less than spectacular talent. Look at Purdue. When they had Drew Brees, they were beating top 10 teams, becoming a top 10 team themselves, and even competing for B10 championships. With slightly lesser talent in Kyle Orton, they were compeititive. Without them, they are nothing. Their lack of talent everywhere is exposed. Fact is, you can have a QB who carries the team, and that is a good sign for future NFL potential (e.g. Brees). Quinn has not shown he can carry a team at all. For that matter, we really don't know about Smith either, because he has a terrific supporting cast around him.

 

[OnwardToVictory07]

Sorry I stopped reading your post when you compared Quinn to JJ Redick. Just because your own team's QB is a statue who'll be lucky to get drafted at all, don't be jealous. Maybe if you had Quinn, you'd actually be playing for the championship this year. Tough break.

 

[OnwardToVictory07]

And Troy Smith is such a *winner* that his coach (who knows a thing or two about football) had him on the bench last year during the critical time of the game against Texas. They ended up losing the game, but if Smith were such an obvious *winner*, I'm sure Tressel wouldn't have had to lose that game to finally make him the full-time starter.

Or, hey, Ken Dorsey is a winner, too. How's he doing in the pros.

 

[VictorsValiant]

First of all OnwardtoVictory07, don't be one of those Irish fans that simply reacts when there's any criticism (and I didn't criticize) of their team.

The Quinn/Redick comparision is not absolute. All I was saying was that they both recieved more attention than they deserved. I will say that Quinn is probably better than Redick, who was overhyped beyond belief, but the comparison is still apt, at least that's my opinion.

I'm not saying Quinn will fail. I'm simply saying we don't know if he'll succeed or fail. We can only be sure when there are slam dunks like Peyton Manning, who had everything (accuracy, arm strength, touch, height, intangibles, character).

And Henne will be selected in the draft next year because of his arm strength and accuracy. And we will be competing for a championship next year. Henne has changed this year, and if you don't realize that, they you're simply stuck in the past.

 

[IrishGirl10]

We know how good Brady is - we know Brady will go before Troy in the draft- who cares what some writer (who, is probably in the group of ND haters) thinks.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

Truth is, we have no idea whether or not Quinn will succeed in the NFL. We can only be sure if a QB prospect has NO WEAKNESSES. But Quinn has flaws, such as not being able to throw well under pressure, having no deep ball capability, and a tendency to disappear at the start of games.

I bought you a nice gift.too bad over half the poeple here have you on block so they can't see it.

 

[goldenechoes]

You say "see what you want to see". Well, what I want to see is an ND team that has as many 1st rounders as any other school. I want to see a legit top 5 ND team with studs at every position. But we simply aren't there yet.

Now, what did you see this year? Did you see Quinn carrying this team? Did he have any great games this year in which the ND defense lost the game? That's just not what I saw. I saw a QB that had many a great game versus average and below average opponents. I didn't see a QB that stepped up in the big games and made big play after big play in those games.

Quinn was a good QB for ND. He holds many records. But none of that will matter in the NFL. Can he read complex defenses? Will he be able to adjust to the speed of the NFL? None of these are givens evne with the most highly touted propsects. To assume that he is going to have a lights out NFL career simply because he is going to be drafted in the 1st round is naive. He has potential. But I wouldn't call him a lock.

Your post sucks.

 

[goldenechoes]

I bought you a nice gift.too bad over half the poeple here have you on block so they can't see it.

Nice gift Tennessee. LOL

"Hey dildo, go get me a beer"

 

[RichardRiot]

But the fact remains, has Quinn ever beaten at top 10 team (ranked at the end of the year)?

And how many teams has Troy Smith beaten that were ranked top 10 at the end of the year?? Not like Smith has a huge winning % against top 10 teams...........

 

[ACamp1900]

What's funny is WHO WON THE HEISMAN??? from her rant you'd think Brady won the freakin thing... The Better prospect in the combines WILL get drafted higher... she's already making excuses... Complex anyone?

Only ONE fanbase could tWIN the head to head, tWIN the heisman AND tWIN the media's heart and still not be tsatisfied with ANY credit ND gets... I'll give you all one guess what her alma mater and or rooting interest is...

as for Troy Smith all the best to him... It will matter very highly were HE gets drafted as well, like that somehow only goes for Brady??? Yet we as ND fans are wrong for saying there is a double standard?... bottom line is they trade places and Brady is a "winner" and Troy is getting beat up in the media simply for being ND's QB... only he'd have been kicked out of ND long ago... some "winner"... but's that's another story...

 

[RichardRiot]

Oh, and other than the Michigan game this year, every loss the last 2 years is primarily on the defence: USC, OSU, MSU last year; USC this year is a push with the WR's/TE and Walker (but Quinn wasn't the one out there dropping balls in the shadow of the goal line).

And in last year's win against Michigan, you're a genius!!! Coach Weis should have had Quinn throwing on first down with a 2 TD lead for over 30 MINUTES in the game (.......just before half-time until 3 1/2 minutes remained and ND was in prevent mode........). Would have been like Stanton and MSU this year.

 

[ACamp1900]

And how many teams has Troy Smith beaten that were ranked top 10 at the end of the year?? Not like Smith has a huge winning % against top 10 teams...........

No that's not fair, that would be applying the same "logic" that's been used against ND for the past... well shit, forever...

We'd be flagrant homers for saying such things

 

[RichardRiot]

What's funny is WHO WON THE HEISMAN??? from her rant you'd think Brady won the freakin thing... The Better prospect in the combines WILL get drafted higher... she's already making excuses... Complex anyone?

Only ONE fanbase could tWIN the head to head, tWIN the heisman AND tWIN the media's heart and still not be tsatisfied with ANY credit ND gets... I'll give you all one guess what her alma mater and or rooting interest is...

as for Troy Smith all the best to him... It will matter very highly were HE gets drafted as well, like that somehow only goes for Brady??? Yet we as ND fans are wrong for saying there is a double standard?... bottom line is they trade places and Brady is a "winner" and Troy is getting beat up in the media simply for being ND's QB... only he'd have been kicked out of ND long ago... some "winner"... but's that's another story...

"Mirror, mirror on the wall..."

 

[Timugen]

But the best reason to stop all this nonsense about Quinn's future greatness is that there have been cases where one QB has carried the whole load for a team with less than spectacular talent. Look at Purdue. When they had Drew Brees, they were beating top 10 teams, becoming a top 10 team themselves, and even competing for B10 championships. With slightly lesser talent in Kyle Orton, they were compeititive. Without them, they are nothing. Their lack of talent everywhere is exposed.

This has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've seen in quite some time. Was Drew Brees a phenomenal QB at PU? Yes. Was the team generally lacking talent, forcing Brees to carry it? Hell no. Just because they lack talent now does not mean that they did 6-7 years ago.

Yes, Brees was amazing at PU and was the difference-maker in some games, but any attempt to depict that team as lacking in talent while he was there is a product of either ignorance or intellectual dishonesty. The truth of the matter is that that was a very good team with an outstanding player at QB.

I am in no way saying that they would have been top-10 with Gary Godsey at QB, but there were a helluva lot more players on that team that had just as much to do with their success as Brees did.

 

[GoshenGipper]

Only ONE fanbase could tWIN the head to head, tWIN the heisman AND tWIN the media's heart and still not be tsatisfied with ANY credit ND gets... I'll give you all one guess what her alma mater and or rooting interest is...

It's Michigan St., plus she is aslo a big time feminist and a friend of Jason Whitlock.

 

[OnwardToVictory07]

Purdue used to have a top defense to go along with Drew Brees. It wasn't just him.

 

[Aaronl]

Bottom line in my opinion?

There isn't a good QB prospect entering the NFL draft this year. Quinn, Smith, and Russell all fail at the next level.

i can see why you got banned from UHND.

 

[RichardRiot]

i can see why you got banned from UHND.

Just leave Mr Millen alone; Matt has to work on his resume, me thinks......

 

[solo]

i can see why you got banned from UHND.

I just call 'em like I see 'em.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Why do you people fall for this Page 2 stuff every time....

There is a reason its called PAGE 2....the articles aren't serious, they are over the top trash that is fun to read but should never be taken seriously....

Its like the crap you glance at while checking out of a grocery store....you aren't running home and telling the wife....THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, they think Charlie Weis is Pregnant with Twins


ARE YOU?

 

[Irish93]

Bottom line in my opinion?

There isn't a good QB prospect entering the NFL draft this year. Quinn, Smith, and Russell all fail at the next level.

What is the basis for that assessment? Who do you think is the best of the three?

 

[solo]

What is the basis for that assessment? Who do you think is the best of the three?

BQ is the only oen that I think that will see time as a starter in the NFL.

I like Russells size and speed. But he doesn't make good decisions with the football.

Smith made some great strides this year as a passer. He didn't need so much to beat teams with his legs this year. But he isn't going to be throwing to wide open receivers in the NFL and he isn't going to be playing inferior teams every week. I can see him being a career backup.

BQ should start in the NFL very quickly. He is smart. He has the physical attributes. But I see him struggling with the speed of the game just as he struggled against the fast defenses we played this year. I can see him developing into an average or middle of the road QB, but thats not what you expect from the #1 overall selection.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

BQ is the only oen that I think that will see time as a starter in the NFL.

I like Russells size and speed. But he doesn't make good decisions with the football.

Smith made some great strides this year as a passer. He didn't need so much to beat teams with his legs this year. But he isn't going to be throwing to wide open receivers in the NFL and he isn't going to be playing inferior teams every week. I can see him being a career backup.

BQ should start in the NFL very quickly. He is smart. He has the physical attributes. But I see him struggling with the speed of the game just as he struggled against the fast defenses we played this year. I can see him developing into an average or middle of the road QB, but thats not what you expect from the #1 overall selection.

You are forgetting guys like
John Beck - BYU
Kevin Colb - Houston
Tyler Palko - Pitt
Jared Zabransky - Boise State
Jeff Ballard - TCU

Not all QB's come from big schools or have big headlines.......all the above will be drafted and any one of them could step up and start in the next few years...among others...

Heck does anyone know where that Romo guy from Dallas went to College?????



(Eastern Illinios by the way)

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

You are forgetting guys like
John Beck - BYU
Kevin Colb - Houston
Tyler Palko - Pitt
Jared Zabransky - Boise State
Jeff Ballard - TCU

Not all QB's come from big schools or have big headlines.......all the above will be drafted and any one of them could step up and start in the next few years...among others...

Heck does anyone know where that Romo guy from Dallas went to College?????

(Eastern Illinios by the way)

Never forget the guys from the little known teams...they are full of talent, but get crapped on in Heisman votes because of it.

reps