JUCO's

[tommyIRISH23]

I saw that most or many were in agreement that ND should consider taking JUCO's. I agree. What're the odds ND moves in this direction and how would you like to see it managed?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

They will look into the JUCOs that benefit the depth chart and qualify. That is about less than 5% of the JUCOs out there.

As we saw with Jeremy Smith, JUCO recruitments move fast and these kids jump in good situations because teams wont typically wait them out.

Smith was also the exception of him having transcripts which would have more than likely allowed a transfer after his freshman year. Typically, most JUCOs need two years to get their grades in order.

And no, I know a lot of JUCOs go that route to get exposure vs having bad grades. But, for ND to take a JUCO, they will need to transfer after 1 year and be on pace to graduate in 3 years at ND. That takes the number of potential JUCOs down to a VERY small number and then add to the fact they need to be good enough and help the depth chart.

You just arent looking at a good ROI recruiting JUCOs. I think you saw that Notre Dame has no problem recruiting them, but its just not a practical thing to do year in and out.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I keep hearing that most JUCO's wouldn't have the credits that would transfer over to ND...Why? I understand that ND is a premier educational institution, but why can't credits from a JUCO transfer over to ND, when they can at most other schools? You'd think that SOME of their credits would transfer over. At least enough to fill 1 year of credit at ND and then complete the last 3 years of credits needed to graduate when you get there.

 

[dshans]

Closing in on the end of my sophomore year at ND I looked into transferring when I found that my major of choice was to be eliminated and would no longer be "degreed."

I contacted other schools. I found that many credits wouldn't be recognized as acceptable for qualifying.

Universities can be real bitches.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Closing in on the end of my sophomore year at ND I looked into transferring when I found that my major of choice was to be eliminated and would no longer be "degreed."

I contacted other schools. I found that many credits wouldn't be recognized as acceptable for qualifying.

Universities can be real bitches.

Preach. It seems like ND is one of the worst when it comes to transferring credits over, and that's saying a lot, because pretty much all schools are real stingy when it comes to that. It's borderline illegal.

 

[Irish Fam]

I don't know that there will ever be a ton of hope for JUCOs.

I believe that the best we will be able to do in this realm is 5th year seniors, a la Cody Riggs. And, unfortunately, even these will be extremely limited.

There are only so many high level football players that will be able to qualify academically after attending another university or junior college.

There had been some discussion about St. Mary's having a lower division football program that could essentially act as a farm team for Notre Dame. This would allow us to maintain our high standards for student athletes and also oversee our future transfers' academic endeavors. Interesting concept, but I don't believe anything like this will ever take place. Simply a pipe dream. But, man, that would really be rad.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I don't know that there will ever be a ton of hope for JUCOs.

I believe that the best we will be able to do in this realm is 5th year seniors, a la Cody Riggs. And, unfortunately, even these will be extremely limited.

There are only so many high level football players that will be able to qualify academically after attending another university or junior college.

There had been some discussion about St. Mary's having a lower division football program that could essentially act as a farm team for Notre Dame. This would allow us to maintain our high standards for student athletes and also oversee our future transfers' academic endeavors. Interesting concept, but I don't believe anything like this will ever take place. Simply a pipe dream. But, man, that would really be rad.

The same could have been said about field turf at NDS. That possibility doesn't cross any tradition borders either. It's seems very possible that St Mary's or Holy Cross (or both combined) would put together a farm team for ND. I just have doubts that any legitimate fruit will bare from this idea. That team will be years away from establishing a legitimate team, and generally those who don't qualify for ND prior to the fact, are generally not going to ND in the first place, so this would benefit only a select few who want to go to ND but just need time to get their grades up.

 

[Irish Fam]

The same could have been said about field turf at NDS. That possibility doesn't cross any tradition borders either. It's seems very possible that St Mary's or Holy Cross (or both combined) would put together a farm team for ND. I just have doubts that any legitimate fruit will bare from this idea. That team will be years away from establishing a legitimate team, and generally those who don't qualify for ND prior to the fact, are generally not going to ND in the first place, so this would benefit only a select few who want to go to ND but just need time to get their grades up.

True. I guess the idea of it essentially being a farm team is a bit far fetched. But gaining one or two extra kids a year would certainly be worth it, no?

Anyway, I am just spitballing here. Have had a bit of whiskey this evening. Thoughts may not be complete at the moment.

 

[Crazy Balki]

True. I guess the idea of it essentially being a farm team is a bit far fetched. But gaining one or two extra kids a year would certainly be worth it, no?

Anyway, I am just spitballing here. Have had a bit of whiskey this evening. Thoughts may not be complete at the moment.

Well, that may be, but we have to look at it, not from a Notre Dame fan perspective, but from a HC or St.M perspective. Starting a team, funding it's travels and building facilities is expensive. Is it really beneficial to those schools to invest millions of dollars just to get a few players to bridge over to ND?

 

[Irish Fam]

Well, that may be, but we have to look at it, not from a Notre Dame fan perspective, but from a HC or St.M perspective. Starting a team, funding it's travels and building facilities is expensive. Is it really beneficial to those schools to invest millions of dollars just to get a few players to bridge over to ND?

I couldn't begin to break down the finances of these institutions. And, again, I am just spitballing, but I have to believe that an institution like Holy Cross or St. Mary's has the resources to field a football team that competes regionally.

However, as I stated in my original post, I don't know how realistic this concept is. Just an idea pertaining to the concept of JUCOs.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I couldn't begin to break down the finances of these institutions. And, again, I am just spitballing, but I have to believe that an institution like Holy Cross or St. Mary's has the resources to field a football team that competes regionally.

However, as I stated in my original post, I don't know how realistic this concept is. Just an idea pertaining to the concept of JUCOs.

Well, if they're rich, then by all means, field that damn team!

 

[ulukinatme]

Preach. It seems like ND is one of the worst when it comes to transferring credits over, and that's saying a lot, because pretty much all schools are real stingy when it comes to that. It's borderline illegal.

Yeah, the transfer process is ridiculous sometimes. I took Calculus in high school. I wasn't the best math student, didn't really care for it, and I didn't think I'd do well on the AP test so I passed on it. Well, sure enough I took it in college later and I did pretty well. However...I ended up transferring later to another school and apparently the Calc class in college wasn't going to count because it was a "Business" Calc class (It really wasn't). The new school said their Calc class was more intensive, etc, etc. It was a bunch of bullshit, there was nothing different, but I saw it as an easy A. So, I got to pass Calculus 3 different times...yay.

 

[GowerND11]

Guys, I just have a feeling St. Mary's isn't going to field a football team anytime soon, and not because of money....



It's an all girls school.

 

[dublinirish]

It's an all girls school.

id have them 7 pt favorites over purdue

 

[Domina Nostra]

id have them 7 pt favorites over purdue

And then Purdue would play us close the next week.

 

[Irish Fam]

Guys, I just have a feeling St. Mary's isn't going to field a football team anytime soon, and not because of money....



It's an all girls school.

Lol. my bad.

we could go the Les Miles route and snag a kicker out of there though.