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But this is generalizing a group of people and it's usually associated with black people. Thugs is used 99% to describe black people or someone who "dresses like black people.

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You've stood on your soapbox and preached (forced) your beliefs this entire thread. And then its you, not someone else who you are claiming is biased or racist, who makes a comment like that.
 
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All red = blood and all blue = crip.

Lol did your college professor tell you that? Most gangs,especially bloods, wear little if any colors. And....bloods/crips have subsets. Different subsets wear different colors. The gangs on the west coast are governed by different bodies then on the east coast. No affiliation at all. So I'm not really sure how you can spot gang members so easily and label them thugs while differentiating them from regular innocents.
 
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As I've mentioned before, the reaction to Richard Sherman's rant shows how thug is used as a slur. Why would anyone think yelling and talking trash is thuggish? From a guy who went to Stanford and had great grades there. Read through the lines when people say thug. Like the bar in St. Louis that said the people looting and "other thugs". Who are the non-rioting thugs? A lot of people feel the same way as I do. When a white player is thrown out for fighting, look and see how many times he's called a thug.
 
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As I've mentioned before, the reaction to Richard Sherman's rant shows how thug is used as a slur. Why would anyone think yelling and talking trash is thuggish? From a guy who went to Stanford and had great grades there. Read through the lines when people say thug. Like the bar in St. Louis that said the people looting and "other thugs". Who are the non-rioting thugs? A lot of people feel the same way as I do. When a white player is thrown out for fighting, look and see how many times he's called a thug.

See I personally would refer to Richard Sherman as a punk, not a thug. Karma will come around to him and his big ass mouth one day.

If you gave 10 kids of any and all races some money and sent them to the mall to buy "thug" gear, you know damned well the kind of shit they'd come back with. You're starting to remind me of the Mexicans that I worked with at restaurants as a kid. They understood and spoke pretty good English MOST of the time, but if a boss or customer they didn't like came along.....no comprende all of a sudden.

You know damned well why and what people mean when they say thug and you know kids of all races, especially black kids like to play to that image. If I say redneck what comes to mind? Nascar, pick ups, rebel flags, sleeves cut off a button down shirt, chewing tobacco maybe?
 
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See I personally would refer to Richard Sherman as a punk, not a thug. Karma will come around to him and his big ass mouth one day.

If you gave 10 kids of any and all races some money and sent them to the mall to buy "thug" gear, you know damned well the kind of shit they'd come back with. You're starting to remind me of the Mexicans that I worked with at restaurants as a kid. They understood and spoke pretty good English MOST of the time, but if a boss or customer they didn't like came along.....no comprende all of a sudden.

You know damned well why and what people mean when they say thug and you know kids of all races, especially black kids like to play to that image. If I say redneck what comes to mind? Nascar, pick ups, rebel flags, sleeves cut off a button down shirt, chewing tobacco maybe?[/QUOTE]

It's a game, brah. Don't get caught up in it. Just another guy who changes his handle and his nonsense a little bit. Let it go and he'll leave soon enough.
 

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Well redneck has one meaning and it has always been that meaning. Thug has taken on a new form when nigger was inappropriate to say starting around civil rights time. It really doesn't matter what you refer to him as. It's what many people refer to him as even though he's nothing close to the traditional meaning of thug.

It's not like I am alone on this. Thug was used to describe Sherman over 600 times on TV the day after the game. It's a racial thing.

You got shut down and proven ignorant on Blood and Crip fashion, so now you are changing the channel to Richard Sherman?

Nice try, but not many are buying it.
 

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My two cents on the use of "thug".

I am 45 years old.

When I was a kid, all the way back to the 70's and 80's, the only times people used the word thug was referring to bad guys in old black and white gangster movies, bullies and petty thieves mainly around their teens in age, and the occasional reference by a grandparent to the leaders of the Axis powers of World War II. As you can guess, it was not used often.

Thug regained popularity and exploded in use at the time of the huge increase in the popularity of rap music. Especially with reference to the introduction of the term "Thug Life" popularized by Tupac in the 90's. At that time, it seemed like a wave of people tried to emulate him and exhibit the "thug life".

I am no anthropologist or entomologist. This is just my observance of recent history as I have experienced it within my lifetime.

I do believe that thug does have some racial overtones, but I feel that is mainly due to the fact that a larger proportion of Tupac's (and his emulators) fans that embraced aspects of "the life" and the word were/are part of black (*) America (a portion of white, hispanic, asian as well, but not to the same degree). But while I think it has racial overtones, I do not believe it to be a racist word due to its background as I just explained.


* Just as an aside here, I am not a fan of the term African-American for a couple of reasons. One, I feel we are all Americans, period. Two, very few of the black people I have ever met in my life were actually from Africa. Their ancestors, yes. Those that were from Africa and came here and became citizens just wanted to be called an American. Also, a large number of people that I have met from the African continent have been white/caucasian. In their case, because of the standard meaning of the term, African-American in reference to them seems rather odd.
 
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I agree with a lot of what you said, and your point about Tupac and "thug life" is one that I've thought about since this topic has come up. I would say that black and hip-hop culture has changed so much that the "thug life" notion has become antiquated in that sense. I think a lot of the use of "thug" comes from cultural ignorance (which I also think in general causes most racism throughout the world). Like, Bill O'Reilly has called Kanye West a gangster rapper when that couldn't be further from the truth at all. This is where I think the racism comes in, because it is classifying a whole group into one tiny section that mostly revolves around one lifestyle.

I think my point about suits and corrupt businessmen holds true with this. If it is something like clothing which straight up signifies gang affiliation, then by all means they should be judged on that. However, in a larger sense, many people dress the same. Hoodies, flatbill caps, sagging pants, Jordans. A huge group of people wear this and are stereotyped by a small group who also wear this. I don't believe it's a coincidence that the word thug is most closely related nowadays with black people and the fashion of black people.

I think, in the end, people are way too concerned with what other people are wearing when it does not affect them. This goes from people freaking out over slight changes in football uniforms to the waist level on someone's pants or the way their hat is facing.
 
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https://sports.vice.com/article/hands-up-dont-shoot-is-bigger-than-ferguson-and-bigger-than-the-rams

"Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is not just about Mike Brown, or Ferguson,or police shooting unarmed black people. "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is about a fundamental question that gets to the core of what this country stands for. It's a question that's been open to debate since long before Darren Wilson shot and killed the unarmed Brown four months ago: Do black lives matter, and if so, how much?

Jeff Roorda and his ilk don't want that to be the question at hand. Roorda, a disgraced former police officer, who moonlights as the business manager of the St. Louis Police Officers Association (SLPOA), released a statement on behalf of the SLPOA demanding that the five St. Louis Rams players who came out of the tunnel before Sunday's game with their hands up be "disciplined and for the Rams to issue a very public apology."

The reason the SLPOA made this demand is because they need Mike Brown's death to be evaluated absent context or dissent. They need Brown's death to be evaluated under "unorthodox and unusual" circumstances. They need the "prosecution" to rely on 30 year old, discredited case law. And, ultimately, they need to be able to rely on the public's belief that black males are inherently dangerous super humans.

Roorda asserts that the Rams players' display was "synonymous with assertions that Michael Brown was innocent of any wrongdoing and attempting to surrender peacefully when Wilson… gunned him down in cold blood." In case Roorda's point was missed, he reminds the NFL that "it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products. It's the cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do." That sound you're hearing is the loudest dog whistle since Willie Horton.

What Roorda doesn't get—or perhaps chooses to ignore—is that this is about far more than Mike Brown. It should be obvious to anyone who has shown even a passive interest: The 114 days of consecutive protests going on across America are far broader in scope than any one case. The protests are also about Eric Garner, who was choked to death after committing the crime of informing police that they were trying to arrest the wrong man. The protests are about John Crawford, who was killed for committing the crime of shopping while black in a white neighborhood. The protests are about Ezell Ford and Tanisha Anderson, whose crimes were being mentally ill in America. The protests are about Levar Jones, whose crime was too promptly doing exactly what an officer asked him to do. The protests are about whether or not 12-year old Tamir Rice can play with a toy in the park without being summarily executed by the police who lie about the circumstances of his killing, and then have the media aid them in smearing his memory. The protests are about Darrien Hunt and Akai Gurley. The protests are about far too many people to list here.

A common response to the protests has been, "Where is all the outrage when black people kill other black people?" This was a question asked by former New York City Mayor and presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, a Wall Street Journal columnist, and basically anyone and everyone on Twitter. The problem with this question is that it immediately alerts the audience to two things about the person asking it: 1) The person clearly never talks to people in black communities; 2) The person is not interested in being intellectually honest.

As Ta-Nehisi Coates has tirelessly documented, the black community does, in fact, protest black on black crime. A better question might be: Why does the media not report the drastic decrease in black on black crime in the past 20 years? Or, where are the protests for white men's crimes against women as a whole. After all, according to the FBI, white men kill twice as many women as black men do. Or, where are the protests for white on white crime, when it happens at almost an identical rate to black on black crime?

But, ultimately, we all know the answers to those questions. The answer, of course, is that people like Giuliani don't talk about black on black crime except when it serves as a distraction from a crime a white person committed, because we have no interest in discussing how we actually got here. We have no interest in self-examination.

Discussing how we actually got here means talking about redlining and legalized housing discrimination. It means talking about the 100 years of white on black terrorism that followed the Civil War. It means talking about the intentionally racist incarceration practices that have ravaged entire communities and continues to rob many of their voting and housing rights. It means talking about the fact that, right now, the average white high school dropout has nearly double the wealth of the average black college graduate.

And while we're taking an honest look in the mirror, let's also talk about our police officers—after all, Darren Wilson is a police officer. And it's a bunch of police officers now whining about the Rams. One reason most people grant police such enormous discretion in meting out lethal force is because of the perception that being a police officer is such an inherently dangerous job that if they have to spend even an extra second considering whether or not to shoot it will be the officer lying dead in the street. But is this true?

We know that it is safer to be a police officer now than at any time in the past 40 years. We also know that about 45 police officers nationwide were killed by shootings or stabbings each of the past five years. How does that compare to other apparently dangerous professions? According to OSHA's database along with the Bureau of Labor Statistics on workplace killings and deaths, in 2013 796 construction workers, 112 oil and gas extractors, 63 pilot and flight engineers, and 42 members of the mining industry were killed in the line of duty. What about jobs that we don't typically consider dangerous? According to the same data, the following professions had more people killed while working than police officers that were shot or stabbed to death in 2013: landscaping, cattle ranching, financial services, grocery/convenience store salesperson, logging, real estate, and fabricated metal manufacturing.

However, while policing is becoming safer than ever, the odds of being killed by the police appear to be at their highest since the Civil Rights Era. While there is no official database for all civilians killed by police, some grassroots efforts have begun popping up to tally these numbers, and here are things we do know: Police killings are at a 20 year high. Over the past five years in Utah, police have killed more people than drug dealers, gang members, or child abusers. Last year in Seattle, over 20 percent of all homicides were at the hands of police officers. And, nationwide, the instances of local police using government gifted military equipment to terrorize communities for violations as simple as barbering without a license or as a response to someone calling the suicide hotline, seem to be happening on a daily basis.

Whether Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt, the five Rams who raised their hands, knew it at the time, their silent protest was a culmination of hundreds of years, thousands of victims. It was always bigger than Ferguson. But Jeff Roorda and the SLPOA can't have that be the case. They can't have you look at the forest, just an individual, bullet riddled tree. For their rhetoric to work they need every single incident evaluated by itself, and with typically only one living witness to give their side of what happened.

They need you to believe that a 12-year-old child could look like a 20 year old man. They need you to believe that selling loose cigarettes warrants the death penalty. They need you to believe that America is more dangerous than ever, even when it is actually safer than ever. They need you to believe that the big black man is about to kill you, even though, if you're white, you're six times more likely to be killed by a white person. They need you to believe that black people are super human, impervious to bullets, and inherently dangerous creatures.
And, ultimately, they need you to believe that black lives don't matter, at least not as much as white lives do. That is how they get away with not only killing young black men and not having to answer for it, but also taking a victory lap around the St. Louis Rams.
 

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His hands weren't up. Everything in that article is based on a lie. It's as simple as that.

I think the opening paragraph makes it clear that the article iis not about whether his hands were up or not but about a broader question within our society. Do black lives matter? Pretending to miss the point to focus on what you know are the facts suggests you aren't really interested in talking about the real point the author is trying to make.

I think we should change the name in this sentence, like so, apply directly to your attitude about the article.
"What wizards doesn't get—or perhaps chooses to ignore—is that this is about far more than Mike Brown."
 

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I think the opening paragraph makes it clear that the article iis not about whether his hands were up or not but about a broader question within our society. Do black lives matter? Pretending to miss the point to focus on what you know are the facts suggests you aren't really interested in talking about the real point the author is trying to make.

This missed the entire point of the article.
Sorry, but I don't give any credence to an article that opens with a lie, I just don't. Would you keep reading if I presented an article that started "'Go back to Kenya' isn't just about Barack Obama's birth certificate, or his transgendered past, or even his abuse of the White House dog, Bo. It's about why he's selling America piece by piece to the Russian government and for how much"?
 
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Well nowhere in the article does it say that his hands were up, so either you are choosing to ignore the point or you just aren't reading it.
 

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ppl want the honest convo? Well, let's have it.... "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot!" is garbage.... First off, I have never met one police officer who actually wants to shoot someone....That is the absolute last resort.... So, in going with the whole, "do black lives matter?" crap rhetorical question, I ask a serious one back at those who support that non-sense....Do police officer lives matter? You go grabbing for an officer's gun, you're asking for problems. And....if you care so much about police and black youth interactions, maybe you should care about damning the culture within the black community that refuses to talk and work with the police....you want the police to quit being such hard-ass's in the black community? Then work with them and make them feel welcome in your community...Embrace the cops...crazy thought, i know....choosing an MLK belief of love and respect over hate and bitterness....start going after those who commit crimes in your community....disavow the hip-hop/gangsta culture that belittes and disrespects women, police, and snitches....root out the problems in the black community that embraces drugs, guns, and alcohol....call out race baiters for who and what they are....you want justice? Demand justice for all! Don't go making Mike Brown a martyr; he was a thug....start speaking up for the whites killed by blacks....stand up against black-on-black violence....then maybe ppl will take some of these issues more serious or at least want to have an intelligent discussion...but until the police get embraced and not spit on...until black communities become outraged over black-on-black violence/crime....until black communities stand up for the whites who are harmed by blacks....until the black community disavows the thug lifestyle, hip-hop/gangsta culture and code....you can't expect others to want to reach out t help you if you won't help yourself....

Do black lives matter? Yes, they do....How about the black community start acting like it when they are taken by others who are black instead of only when they are justifiably taken by a police officer or non-black.....

ALL LIVES MATTER....NOT JUST BLACK LIVES....PUT THE HANDS DOWN AND REACH ACROSS THE RACIAL DIVIDE...BE MLK!
 
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Be MLK until some people make a non-violent public statement and then it's offensive and the Rams should be boycotted.
 

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Be MLK until some people make a non-violent public statement and then it's offensive and the Rams should be boycotted.
The "offensive" part is because it perpetuates a lie. Putting your hands in the air furthers the lie that Michael Brown's hands were also in the air when he was killed. If you want to have an honest discussion about race, police power, and the intersection thereof, you need to base your statements on facts. Attempts to deceive cannot be tolerated even if they're not OUTRIGHT lies.

The problem people have with the Rams is that the NFL has had an unofficial "no politics" policy, but they pick and choose when to enforce it.
 

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The "offensive" part is because it perpetuates a lie. Putting your hands in the air furthers the lie that Michael Brown's hands were also in the air when he was killed. If you want to have an honest discussion about race, police power, and the intersection thereof, you need to base your statements on facts. Attempts to deceive cannot be tolerated even if they're not OUTRIGHT lies.

The problem people have with the Rams is that the NFL has had an unofficial "no politics" policy, but they pick and choose when to enforce it.

That's it exactly....it furthers a dishonest, false narrative.....it insinuates that the police were wrong; and in this case, they weren't....I go back to my point of NOT martyring Mike Brown....He was NOT shot in the back...and his hands were outstretched to harm (kill) a police officer....stick with facts; not provocative or symbolic gestures that can be deemed offensive or misleading....you don't force someone to shake your hand by flipping them off first....

BTW, mr no justice, I notice you have no retort for anything else I said.... Thinking you're just a troll; not someone looking for an open, honest convo.... way to spread the hate and division thru misinformation....MLK would at least be honest.
 

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Be MLK and get killed by racist whites too! Oh yea, get framed/pressured into committing suicide by the FBI director while you are at it...

That MLK?

I don't think the "black community" is the aggressor in the subject of racism my friend. I think the Thug you say to disavow is the reaction to years of racism.
 

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Be MLK and get killed by racist whites too! Oh yea, get framed/pressured into committing suicide by the FBI director while you are at it...

That MLK?

I don't think the "black community" is the aggressor in the subject of racism my friend. I think the Thug you say to disavow is the reaction to years of racism.

I'm sorry....were you condemning the racist actions of blacks who kill innocent whites? Maybe you're condemning race-baiters like Sharpton and Jackson.....Mike Brown wasnt killed by a racist....he attacked a cop and went for the cop's gun....it could have been Bill Clinton's kid who did that and they still would've been shot....bullets don't recognize color....
 

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I don't think the "black community" is the aggressor in the subject of racism my friend. I think the Thug you say to disavow is the reaction to years of racism.
"White people made me burn down my neighborhood." Is that your official position?
 

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While I do believe that there are certainly cases where Blacks are unfairly targeted and where even innocent lives have been lost, using the Brown case to try to drive home this point is actually hurting the cause for which NoJusticeNoPeace has been fighting for.

I believe this has even played out on this very thread where NoJusticeNoPeace has tried to bring up other incidents and has repeatedly gotten shot down. The problem is that the Brown incident is not a good example to drive home the point because the kid robbed a convenience store, shoved the employee/owner that tried to stop him by grabbing his neck and shoving him backwards. Then assaults a police officer in his police car.

You want White America to have sympathy for your cause? You are probably not going to get it if you are using the Brown case as your rallying point. While it certainly is getting lots of media attention right now, that media attention will eventually go away and White America will be left with the visual images of the riots in Ferguson.

There will be another incident that happens in the future which will be even more egregious than this incident, but it will probably be more likely to be dismissed because of the cries of racism in this case.

NoJusticeNoPeace's cause is a noble one but it must be argued openly and honestly. The Brown case has actually weakened his argument.
 

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That's it exactly....it furthers a dishonest, false narrative.....it insinuates that the police were wrong; and in this case, they weren't....I go back to my point of NOT martyring Mike Brown....He was NOT shot in the back...and his hands were outstretched to harm (kill) a police officer....stick with facts; not provocative or symbolic gestures that can be deemed offensive or misleading....you don't force someone to shake your hand by flipping them off first....

BTW, mr no justice, I notice you have no retort for anything else I said.... Thinking you're just a troll; not someone looking for an open, honest convo.... way to spread the hate and division thru misinformation....MLK would at least be honest.

The "offensive" part is because it perpetuates a lie. Putting your hands in the air furthers the lie that Michael Brown's hands were also in the air when he was killed. If you want to have an honest discussion about race, police power, and the intersection thereof, you need to base your statements on facts. Attempts to deceive cannot be tolerated even if they're not OUTRIGHT lies.

The problem people have with the Rams is that the NFL has had an unofficial "no politics" policy, but they pick and choose when to enforce it.

I'm not going to act as if Michael Brown was an saint ... obviously he was not. I have not argued with anyone about the testimony in this case. I personally think the guy was a thug and I think that it is extremely unfortunate that THIS is the incident that has begun a serious conversation about race in this country and the treatment of young black men by police. But, your dismissal of any discussion that speaks about people who have their hands in the air makes it seem as if you are refusing to have the larger conversation because you don't like that some people disagree with the facts as you see them. YOU, yes YOU, are using the "hands up" to symbolize something every bit as much as those on the other side of the argument. You are using it to dismiss everyone and turn the larger conversation back to this isolated tragic incident as if it is the only time something like this has happened in all of American history. It happens all the time, which the article you are complaining about points out clearly with examples. But every time someone puts their hands up you take the opportunity to gut punch them and act as if they are dumb and unreasonable and just making shit up. And every time we ignore the people who have legitimate reasons for being mistrustful of police and frustrated by a system that holds them down, we make the problem just a little bit worse. Try being the bigger man and let people have their symbol and then engage them in an honest conversation about what is wrong in the society instead of flicking them away like an annoyance. Any conversation about civil rights starts with civility.
 

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Haha, Bill Clinton's kid wouldn't have been in that situation. He would have stole from the store and walked home without seeing a cop. Not many cops in the white neighborhood compared to the black neighborhoods.

Racism is the reason this whole conversation is being had. Is it not?

Oh and I don't like black people killing white people. Haha really?

White cop shooting a black teen to defend himself is alright. Judging by the pic of the cop after the altercation, the cops testimony that he also shot at brown when his back was turned and the fact that the cop unleashed 12 shots at him, while there is video of two WHITE construction workers yelling, "why did you shoot him?" he had his his hands up!

Here is the video for reference. Cant get much more raw then this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yfbbt6DvHg

I would say Wilson was either racist or really did not like thieves....
 

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I'm not going to act as if Michael Brown was an saint ... obviously he was not. I have not argued with anyone about the testimony in this case. I personally think the guy was a thug and I think that it is extremely unfortunate that THIS is the incident that has begun a serious conversation about race in this country and the treatment of young black men by police. But, your dismissal of any discussion that speaks about people who have their hands in the air makes it seem as if you are refusing to have the larger conversation because you don't like that some people disagree with the facts as you see them. YOU, yes YOU, are using the "hands up" to symbolize something every bit as much as those on the other side of the argument. You are using it to dismiss everyone and turn the larger conversation back to this isolated tragic incident as if it is the only time something like this has happened in all of American history. It happens all the time, which the article you are complaining about points out clearly with examples. But every time someone puts their hands up you take the opportunity to gut punch them and act as if they are dumb and unreasonable and just making shit up. And every time we ignore the people who have legitimate reasons for being mistrustful of police and frustrated by a system that holds them down, we make the problem just a little bit worse. Try being the bigger man and let people have their symbol and then engage them in an honest conversation about what is wrong in the society instead of flicking them away like an annoyance. Any conversation about civil rights starts with civility.
Nobody is having a "larger conversation". They're talking about Michael Brown (specifically) in Ferguson, Missouri (specifically). That's it. They're trying to take an isolated incident and acting like it's a normal every day thing for white cops to shoot black kids for no reason, which isn't even what happened in this ONE case. Michael Brown was killed on August 9. If cops were mowing down black kids in the street, wouldn't we have something else to talk about four months later? No, we're still talking about Michael Brown because cops aren't out mowing down black kids in the street.

Analogy: Using Michael Brown to paint white cops as trigger-happy racists is the intellectual equivalent to using Lizzy Seeberg to paint Notre Dame football players as rapists. You're distorting the facts of a single incident to make a broader point based on those distortions.

EDIT: My use of the word "you" is a general "you" that includes Al Sharpton, NoJusticeNoPeace, the author if that Vice article, and others. My comments aren't specifically to YOU, GoIrish41.
 
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Nobody is having a "larger conversation". They're talking about Michael Brown (specifically) in Ferguson, Missouri (specifically). That's it. They're trying to take an isolated incident and acting like it's a normal every day thing for white cops to shoot black kids for no reason, which isn't even what happened in this ONE case. Michael Brown was killed on August 9. If cops were mowing down black kids in the street, wouldn't we have something else to talk about four months later? No, we're still talking about Michael Brown because cops aren't out mowing down black kids in the street.

Analogy: Using Michael Brown to paint white cops as trigger-happy racists is the intellectual equivalent to using Lizzy Seeberg to paint Notre Dame football players as rapists. You're distorting the facts of a single incident to make a broader point based on those distortions.

I call bullshit. This guy is talking about more than Brown and Ferguson and you poo pooed him because you didn't like the lead paragraph of his article.

"Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is not just about Mike Brown, or Ferguson,or police shooting unarmed black people. "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is about a fundamental question that gets to the core of what this country stands for. It's a question that's been open to debate since long before Darren Wilson shot and killed the unarmed Brown four months ago: Do black lives matter, and if so, how much?

Jeff Roorda and his ilk don't want that to be the question at hand. Roorda, a disgraced former police officer, who moonlights as the business manager of the St. Louis Police Officers Association (SLPOA), released a statement on behalf of the SLPOA demanding that the five St. Louis Rams players who came out of the tunnel before Sunday's game with their hands up be "disciplined and for the Rams to issue a very public apology."

The reason the SLPOA made this demand is because they need Mike Brown's death to be evaluated absent context or dissent. They need Brown's death to be evaluated under "unorthodox and unusual" circumstances. They need the "prosecution" to rely on 30 year old, discredited case law. And, ultimately, they need to be able to rely on the public's belief that black males are inherently dangerous super humans.

Roorda asserts that the Rams players' display was "synonymous with assertions that Michael Brown was innocent of any wrongdoing and attempting to surrender peacefully when Wilson… gunned him down in cold blood." In case Roorda's point was missed, he reminds the NFL that "it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products. It's the cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do." That sound you're hearing is the loudest dog whistle since Willie Horton.

What Roorda doesn't get—or perhaps chooses to ignore—is that this is about far more than Mike Brown. It should be obvious to anyone who has shown even a passive interest: The 114 days of consecutive protests going on across America are far broader in scope than any one case. The protests are also about Eric Garner, who was choked to death after committing the crime of informing police that they were trying to arrest the wrong man. The protests are about John Crawford, who was killed for committing the crime of shopping while black in a white neighborhood. The protests are about Ezell Ford and Tanisha Anderson, whose crimes were being mentally ill in America. The protests are about Levar Jones, whose crime was too promptly doing exactly what an officer asked him to do. The protests are about whether or not 12-year old Tamir Rice can play with a toy in the park without being summarily executed by the police who lie about the circumstances of his killing, and then have the media aid them in smearing his memory. The protests are about Darrien Hunt and Akai Gurley. The protests are about far too many people to list here.

A common response to the protests has been, "Where is all the outrage when black people kill other black people?" This was a question asked by former New York City Mayor and presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, a Wall Street Journal columnist, and basically anyone and everyone on Twitter. The problem with this question is that it immediately alerts the audience to two things about the person asking it: 1) The person clearly never talks to people in black communities; 2) The person is not interested in being intellectually honest.
As Ta-Nehisi Coates has tirelessly documented, the black community does, in fact, protest black on black crime. A better question might be: Why does the media not report the drastic decrease in black on black crime in the past 20 years? Or, where are the protests for white men's crimes against women as a whole. After all, according to the FBI, white men kill twice as many women as black men do. Or, where are the protests for white on white crime, when it happens at almost an identical rate to black on black crime?

But, ultimately, we all know the answers to those questions. The answer, of course, is that people like Giuliani don't talk about black on black crime except when it serves as a distraction from a crime a white person committed, because we have no interest in discussing how we actually got here. We have no interest in self-examination.

Discussing how we actually got here means talking about redlining and legalized housing discrimination. It means talking about the 100 years of white on black terrorism that followed the Civil War. It means talking about the intentionally racist incarceration practices that have ravaged entire communities and continues to rob many of their voting and housing rights. It means talking about the fact that, right now, the average white high school dropout has nearly double the wealth of the average black college graduate.

And while we're taking an honest look in the mirror, let's also talk about our police officers—after all, Darren Wilson is a police officer. And it's a bunch of police officers now whining about the Rams. One reason most people grant police such enormous discretion in meting out lethal force is because of the perception that being a police officer is such an inherently dangerous job that if they have to spend even an extra second considering whether or not to shoot it will be the officer lying dead in the street. But is this true?

We know that it is safer to be a police officer now than at any time in the past 40 years. We also know that about 45 police officers nationwide were killed by shootings or stabbings each of the past five years. How does that compare to other apparently dangerous professions? According to OSHA's database along with the Bureau of Labor Statistics on workplace killings and deaths, in 2013 796 construction workers, 112 oil and gas extractors, 63 pilot and flight engineers, and 42 members of the mining industry were killed in the line of duty. What about jobs that we don't typically consider dangerous? According to the same data, the following professions had more people killed while working than police officers that were shot or stabbed to death in 2013: landscaping, cattle ranching, financial services, grocery/convenience store salesperson, logging, real estate, and fabricated metal manufacturing.
However, while policing is becoming safer than ever, the odds of being killed by the police appear to be at their highest since the Civil Rights Era. While there is no official database for all civilians killed by police, some grassroots efforts have begun popping up to tally these numbers, and here are things we do know: Police killings are at a 20 year high. Over the past five years in Utah, police have killed more people than drug dealers, gang members, or child abusers. Last year in Seattle, over 20 percent of all homicides were at the hands of police officers. And, nationwide, the instances of local police using government gifted military equipment to terrorize communities for violations as simple as barbering without a license or as a response to someone calling the suicide hotline, seem to be happening on a daily basis.

Whether Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt, the five Rams who raised their hands, knew it at the time, their silent protest was a culmination of hundreds of years, thousands of victims. It was always bigger than Ferguson. But Jeff Roorda and the SLPOA can't have that be the case. They can't have you look at the forest, just an individual, bullet riddled tree. For their rhetoric to work they need every single incident evaluated by itself, and with typically only one living witness to give their side of what happened.

They need you to believe that a 12-year-old child could look like a 20 year old man. They need you to believe that selling loose cigarettes warrants the death penalty. They need you to believe that America is more dangerous than ever, even when it is actually safer than ever. They need you to believe that the big black man is about to kill you, even though, if you're white, you're six times more likely to be killed by a white person. They need you to believe that black people are super human, impervious to bullets, and inherently dangerous creatures.And, ultimately, they need you to believe that black lives don't matter, at least not as much as white lives do. That is how they get away with not only killing young black men and not having to answer for it, but also taking a victory lap around the St. Louis Rams.
 

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Haha, Bill Clinton's kid wouldn't have been in that situation. He would have stole from the store and walked home without seeing a cop. Not many cops in the white neighborhood compared to the black neighborhoods.

Are you suggesting we need a greater police presence in "white neighborhoods" or less of a presence in "black neighborhoods"?
 
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