Video of the Pass Interference

[HawaiianIrish]

Blown coverage. #26 jumped to fuller expecting Darby#3 to cover Robinson.

Love our boys. I feel for them cause they won that game.

f$U is turning into a slimier U$C

Go IRISH!!!!

 

[Circa]

Fuller was flagged on the play. The plays before, the WRs sold it well. To me, the play that got flagged it looked like the WRs were a bit too overzealous, thus making it look more like a block rather than running a rout.

DBs are coached to run through pick plays so initiated contact is really irrelevant. It really looked like Fuller basically tackled the guy, which he really did not have to do because CRob clearly would have gotten in either way.

As a WR you have to act like you are trying to get off the defender by way of swim move or simply throwing your hands in the air. If you look at Fuller, there is no way he is running a rout, rather it looks like he is blocking. There is no intent for him to get off the DB.

If any call were to be made a hold would be it. If you watch closely, in which believe me I have a thousand times you see the Head ref ask the backline judge "are you sure you want to call that?" At that moment in front of the world the refs had the deciding outcome already planned. It seems ironic that the 93' game was ended on a great defensive play and this one was ended on a phantom P.I. 100 out of 100 times and that call is a non-call. FSU players whom were interviewed have even stated how crucial that 'call' was. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/7qZTUVxmhks" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[GowerND11]

I still stand by my belief it shouldn't have been called. CJ was held, and Darby jumped in front of Fuller.

I also have this to say. How can you can OPI on either one when, not only did that stuff happen, but also it looks like they were in man, and CJ and Fuller were taking their own defenders with them. Therefore, they didn't pick/rub any defensive player, and they defender covering CRob was slow covering the flat, having to bounce about 5 yards deep into the endzone due to the logjam in the play.

Hope I make sense.

 

[Circa]

This is from BK's interview (transcript) earlier today.
Q. In terms of the way Florida State approached the penalty play, is your feeling the way C.J. was engaged or had contact with the defender, that that would negate him being called for that? I'm curious what your take was on how Florida State approached the play.
COACH KELLY: So he was on the point. We were in a bunch situation. First of all, it's my understanding now that Will Fuller was called for the penalty, not C.J. So C.J.'s job is to get into the end zone and turn around and be a big target.

He was immediately grabbed at the line of scrimmage. He's trying to get depth into the line of scrimmage, into the end zone, so Corey can clear a path.

As that contact was being made, it was seen I guess, I don't know who saw it as interference but you've got two guys that are trying to fight for space. We saw it as such.

He's supposed to find space, sit down and be a target. Again, it's a play that is a pretty common play in NCAA football where you're setting a point, the guy turns around, the ball is thrown. The ball was thrown quickly.

C.J. didn't even have a chance to turn around, which may have led to some of the optics that people were talking about on TV, that was blocking. But he was simply trying to get his space in the end zone.

Then, of course, now we're hearing it was actually called on Will Fuller. It's hard for me to really put it all together.

BK does not usually call out negative calls. He lays the blame on not executing properly and putting ourselves in the wrong situation.
For him to call this play out should not be seen as a blabbering coach but a determined man stating the fact of the matter in all situations.

 

[IrishInMissouri]

From a former a defensive coach, a common adjustment to bunch trips is to press the middle man to try and disrupt the WR's routes. This man then takes ghee number 2WR(CJ), from the the coverage behind it is typically the CB(Darby) would take the first WR outside (Corey). The beauty of the play design was that Fuller was running a vertical right which forced Darby to carry him and essentially opened the flat for Corey. But since FSU played physically and got in the refs ears they drew that flag. Coach Kelly has every reason to be irritate, it was a great play designed to take abstract advantage of how physical their secondary plays. Just my two cents

 

[BillyIrish]

I believe this is the same referee that ejected Tuitt at Pitt last year. Not sure if the crew is the same.

That is a no call for the officials. Just brutal to throw a flag that decides the outcome of a game. As Kelly said and many others pointed out, the design of the route confused florida state and they got bailed out by an ambitious official.

 

[Luckylucci]

Terrible call, IMO. If the offensive holding was the reason for Crob being open and scoring then I would understand the call. However that's not what happened, nobody accounted for him and 3 guys essentially covered two and they got bailed out. Darby wasn't even attempting to get around fuller neither was Ramsey, he was busy holding CJ's left shoulder pad. #26, PJ williams, was lined up over Crob was either suppose to follow him through his route or pass him off to Darby which nobody did. Finally, the most contact between the six players in question was from Ramsey on CJ and there is no question about it. He intiated the contact upon snap and followed through on it. Let me add that from that alternate angle (vine) you can easily see Darby jumps Fullers route which immediately takes him out of the play for Crob.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Terrible call, IMO. If the offensive holding was the reason for Crob being open and scoring then I would understand the call. However that's not what happened, nobody accounted for him and 3 guys essentially covered two and they got bailed out. Darby wasn't even attempting to get around fuller neither was Ramsey, he was busy holding CJ's left shoulder pad. #26, PJ williams, was lined up over Crob was either suppose to follow him through his route or pass him off to Darby which nobody did. Finally, the most contact between the six players in question was from Ramsey on CJ and there is no question about it. He intiated the contact upon snap and followed through on it. Let me add that from that alternate angle (vine) you can easily see Darby jumps Fullers route which immediately takes him out of the play for Crob.

After watching the play about 8 million times I pretty much agree with this.

However, I think the degree to which the play worked, worked against us. The scenario played out like this: a)Refs had been alerted by Jimbo that we were setting picks, b) they see our two receivers making contact on routes that were clearly designed to open up the flat route and c) Robinson was almost unbelievably wide open, I understand why they threw the flag. Especially when you consider that the rule is written with the intention of preventing pick plays (that's why offensive players have a higher degree of responsibility for avoiding contact than defensive players.)

The best thing about this is it opens up the possibility of an EPIC FUHKING REMATCH.

 

[dang227]

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[dang227]

Watch the FSU DB's jump the inside routes and initiate contact. Terrible call.


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[Luckylucci]

After watching the play about 8 million times I pretty much agree with this.

However, I think the degree to which the play worked, worked against us. The scenario played out like this: a)Refs had been alerted by Jimbo that we were setting picks, b) they see our two receivers making contact on routes that were clearly designed to open up the flat route and c) Robinson was almost unbelievably wide open, I understand why they threw the flag. Especially when you consider that the rule is written with the intention of preventing pick plays (that's why offensive players have a higher degree of responsibility for avoiding contact than defensive players.)

The best thing about this is it opens up the possibility of an EPIC FUHKING REMATCH.

The contact on that last play was intiated by the two CB's. Ramsey jams CJ and Darby jumps Fullers route. Neither CJ or Fuller went out of their way to disrupt the angle of the defenders. Could CJ and Fuller done more to look like receiving targets, yes, but that's not really the point.

 

[Luckylucci]

Watch the FSU DB's jump the inside routes and initiate contact. Terrible call.


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The most upsetting part is finding out that they actually called it on fuller. Because Darby takes himself out of that play as soon as he jumps that route. Kelly is 100% right! I think that it's closer call if it's called on CJ. Still don think it's penalty but I think it's closer. Calling it on Fuller is atrocious.

 

[tussin]

LOL so bad it almost makes me physically ill. Prosise is held and the DB is jamming his route. With Fuller, Darby tried to jump a quick slant and get on the inside.

The worst part is that the guy who is lined up on Robinson was never touched and basically is a complete non-factor in the play / penalty call. Almost looks like he was playing a zone and Darby / Ramsey were in press man.

 

[Luckylucci]

LOL so bad it almost makes me physically ill. Prosise is held and the DB is jamming his route. With Fuller, Darby tried to jump a quick slant and get on the inside.

The worst part is that the guy who is lined up on Robinson was never touched and basically is a complete non-factor in the play / penalty call. Almost looks like he was playing a zone and Darby / Ramsey were in press man.

Yep, basically what Kelly said. FSU blew the coverage

 

[JohnnyJasper]

Just makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Butchie]

Cross posting BGIF's post on this because he's absolutely right. Had Fuller kept running his route this would have been an Irish win.

Here is why you and BGIF are both wrong:

Both Prosise's and Fuller's defenders extend their arms to engage contact. This is legal but only for 3 yards. Upon its origination Prosise's guy is OK . . . until he continues the engagement past 5 yards into the end zone and then at the end (where many are confused) you can see Prosise's shirt extend down to the point he almost tumbles over. This defender played right into the concept of the play. He didn't have to be blocked or rubbed because he engage in extended illegal contact taking himself out of the play. A holding call should have been called on him. Fuller's man is wrong from the inception. He does not extend his arms to engage until Fuller makes his cut on the slant and this is beyond the 3 yards allowed for a jam. This is PI. Period. This defender also plays right into the concept of the play and Fuller does not have to rub him - he back pedals, initiates illegal contact and takes himself out of the play also. The two defenders on Prosise and Fuller blew the coverage and failed to switch to Robinson and all but blocked/rubbed Roibinsons man out of the play. It was a blown coverage with multiple defensive penalties.

Now to the notion of Fuller turning around to watch the play. Are you kidding me? Who doesn't? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Watch it one more time and watch when his head turns to Golson and then to Robinson after Golson's release. He looked to Golson - like a receiver running a route should - and then followed the ball as it was thrown. C'mon man! This was a bush league. The defenders both extend their arms to engage . . .end of story

 

[Butchie]

Cross posting BGIF's post on this because he's absolutely right. Had Fuller kept running his route this would have been an Irish win.

The contact on that last play was intiated by the two CB's. Ramsey jams CJ and Darby jumps Fullers route. Neither CJ or Fuller went out of their way to disrupt the angle of the defenders. Could CJ and Fuller done more to look like receiving targets, yes, but that's not really the point.

Nor is it the rule. Well said. It is the rule, however, that contact beyond 3 yds. is illegal. Both defenders were guilty. OH and just for shits and giggles. I believe 26 takes his hat off when the TD is caught. Total BS

 

[BobbyMac]

Here is why you and BGIF are both wrong:

Both Prosise's and Fuller's defenders extend their arms to engage contact. This is legal but only for 3 yards. Upon its origination Prosise's guy is OK . . . until he continues the engagement past 5 yards into the end zone and then at the end (where many are confused) you can see Prosise's shirt extend down to the point he almost tumbles over. This defender played right into the concept of the play. He didn't have to be blocked or rubbed because he engage in extended illegal contact taking himself out of the play. A holding call should have been called on him. Fuller's man is wrong from the inception. He does not extend his arms to engage until Fuller makes his cut on the slant and this is beyond the 3 yards allowed for a jam. This is PI. Period. This defender also plays right into the concept of the play and Fuller does not have to rub him - he back pedals, initiates illegal contact and takes himself out of the play also. The two defenders on Prosise and Fuller blew the coverage and failed to switch to Robinson and all but blocked/rubbed Roibinsons man out of the play. It was a blown coverage with multiple defensive penalties.

Now to the notion of Fuller turning around to watch the play. Are you kidding me? Who doesn't? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Watch it one more time and watch when his head turns to Golson and then to Robinson after Golson's release. He looked to Golson - like a receiver running a route should - and then followed the ball as it was thrown. C'mon man! This was a bush league. The defenders both extend their arms to engage . . .end of story

I think you are spot on.

At first, it looked bad and even my buddy who's been a HS and JUCO official for 20 years here in AZ said the same thing. After he saw the slow mo's, he had a very different opinion. The amount of activity that was going on that far off the line of scrimmage and the fact that 3 FSU DB's looked at each other displaying their displeasure in how they handled the play, instead of lobbying the refs for a call would have kept his flag in his pocket regardless of how blatant the screen(s) were. Had it been at another point in the game he said he would have given off-settings to keep the physicality in order but they are expressly directed to let the players decide the game at the end of regulation when it comes to JUCO in AZ as it is loaded with DI players.

The one thing that we might be missing is that Darby may not have been jumping Fuller's route but trying to slide through to defend Robinson, thinking that #26 was going to take Fuller but he was caught by surprise by Fuller's slant. Not that it makes much difference.

Still sick.

Hard to accept this as the 'best loss" for any play off contenders right now but that's what it is I guess. Lots of football to play still.

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[Irish YJ]

BK via ESPN. Sorry if already posted.

Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly adamantly disagreed with an offensive pass interference penalty that wiped away a go-ahead touchdown against Florida State, saying he had even less clarity Sunday than he did in the minutes after the 31-27 loss.

"Actually I have less clarity," Kelly said during his Sunday teleconference. "I guess it was actually called on Will Fuller, not C.J. (Prosise). So [it] just adds more uncertainty as to the final play.

"But again, the play itself, in terms of what we ask our kids to do, it was pretty clear what happened on the play: Florida State blew the coverage and they got rewarded for it. It's unfortunate."

The official play-by-play of the game states that Prosise was called for an offensive pass interference penalty on a 2-yard touchdown pass from Everett Golson to Corey Robinson on fourth-and-goal with 13 seconds left, which would have put the Irish ahead 33-31, with an extra point pending.

The infraction, however, moved Notre Dame back to the 18-yard line, and Golson was picked off by FSU's Jacob Pugh in the end zone on the Irish's final offensive play.

Kelly said he found out afterward that the officials had actually called the penalty on Fuller, and he said that the play was different from Notre Dame's first touchdown play -- a 1-yard pass from Golson to Robinson -- that drew plenty of comparisons.

Kelly said he thinks there was nothing Fuller could have done differently on the play.

"No, I think he's working back inside and he did not go out of his way to impede the defender," Kelly said. "The official that was furthest from the play that had the ability to see it, saw it differently. That's the way it goes."

Asked about the Seminoles' approach to the play, Kelly offered a lengthy breakdown.

"All right, so he was on the point, we were in a bunch situation," Kelly began. "First of all, it's my understanding now that Will Fuller was called for the penalty, not C.J. So C.J.'s job is to get into the end zone and turn around and be a big target. He was immediately grabbed at the line of scrimmage. He's trying to get depth into the line of scrimmage, into the end zone so Corey can clear a path. And so as that contact was being made, it was seen, I guess -- I don't know who saw it as interference -- but you've got two guys that are trying to fight for space. We saw it as such.

"He's supposed to find space, sit down and be a target. Again, it's a play that's a pretty common play in NCAA football -- where you're setting a point, guy turns around and the ball is thrown. The ball was thrown quickly, C.J. didn't even have a chance to turn around -- which may have led to some of the objects that people were talking about on TV, that he was blocking -- but he was simply trying to get his space in the end zone. And then of course now we're hearing that it was actually called on Will Fuller. So it's hard for me to really put it all together."

Kelly said he had yet to speak with the ACC about the call but added: "We'll have our conversations with the supervisor of officials for the ACC here a little bit later this afternoon and I'm sure we'll get even less clarification."

Kelly said he did notice that FSU cornerback P.J. Williams took his helmet off right after Robinson's wiped-out catch, a gesture that did not draw a penalty.

"Yeah, they said that they missed the call," Kelly said. "They said they just missed it."

Defending national champion Florida State (7-0) extended its winning streak to 23 games and remained at No. 2 in the Associated Press poll. Notre Dame (6-1) dropped two spots to No. 7.

Both teams have byes this coming weekend.

"There's great disappointment, but they know that," Kelly said of his players. "You never want to let a game be decided by a referee. You want to control the game yourself, and what happened at the end was out of our control. We feel like we did the things necessary and we've got to be able to control finishes, and that means make a couple more plays.

"If you've got the champs, you can't win by a split decision. You've got to knock them out, and I think that's what we want to take away from this."

 

[Cackalacky]

BK via ESPN. Sorry if already posted.

I love BK. Even handing the refs their asses in that interview it is pure class.

 

[Circa]

I believe this is the same referee that ejected Tuitt at Pitt last year. Not sure if the crew is the same.

That is a no call for the officials. Just brutal to throw a flag that decides the outcome of a game. As Kelly said and many others pointed out, the design of the route confused florida state and they got bailed out by an ambitious official.

Not sure of that, the guys name is Referee David Epperley

 

[drake29]

Another point to be made is the fact that a Florida State player removed his helmet on the field at the end of the play. The officials have admitted to missing the call. If they flag the unsportsmanlike conduct there it cancels out OPI and they replay the down. I also noticed the umpire asking the back judge "are you sure", when discussing the flag.

 

[Circa]

Nor is it the rule. Well said. It is the rule, however, that contact beyond 3 yds. is illegal. Both defenders were guilty. OH and just for shits and giggles. I believe 26 takes his hat off when the TD is caught. Total BS

I've watched the game again, these guys were doing this all game when in similar situations. The fact that this was a call is just blatant and Crazy
Referee David Epperley

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Another point to be made is the fact that a Florida State player removed his helmet on the field at the end of the play. The officials have admitted to missing the call. If they flag the unsportsmanlike conduct there it cancels out OPI and they replay the down. I also noticed the umpire asking the back judge "are you sure", when discussing the flag.

I don't think that'd be a replay of downs. It happened after the play. We would get the during the play OPI, 15 yards back. They would then call the removing the helmet, half the distance to the goal, automatic 1st down.

 

[Guest]

Video: End zone view of controversial Notre Dame penalty - Video Gallery - Mobile


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Another video showing the refs blew the call. They keep adding up.

 

[Cackalacky]

Another video showing the refs blew the call. They keep adding up.

That is infuriating.

 

[Circa]

Video: End zone view of controversial Notre Dame penalty - Notre Dame Insider: Video Gallery

 

[NDisme]

Srry if mentioned but for the people who are on the side of fuller being called is justified. Look at it again, fuller is running an inside route and darby steps infront and cuts him off, what would your reaction be if someone stepped infront of you like that. Fuller did nothing wrong darby tried to jump his inside route and fuller ran into him, his momentum made it look like he was blocking

 

[NDisme]

Also I think about this. Would Kelly call a play on 4th down, last play boom or bust, that is a one read play? I don't think he would in my opinion. I doubt on that play kelly tells cj and will to "Pick" their guys so crob can get open. What if a defender sees it coming and jumps crobs route? that's it game over? He has to have a second option at the least.

 

[Rocket89]

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