Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

[BGIF]

Btw I feel like I got hit by a truck last night. These big games really take their toll on the body. I'm gonna go get an omelette and hashbrowns and attempt to get my head right before these NFL games start up.

Go Irish!
Go Giant's!
Go 49ers!

I haven't been to bed yet. Still wired. I hate night games and what they do to my sleep. Fortunately I don't care about the NFL so I can sleep in.

 

[Irish2155]

You do realize that ND had NO timeouts left and it was fourth down? The only run play that should be called there is something with Golson, which is likely what the call was, but I do not put that on Kelly. He mixed up his playcalling all night. He was masterful.

Didn't need a to. We scored the ball. Refs, on that play, chose to call it back.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Didn't read through everything but:
Incredibly proud of the way the team played in a hostile environment against the defending national champion and great QB.
I've doubted BK play calling, not last night. Thought he called a brilliant game.
Defense was close quite a few times, couple of missed tackles that hurt us. Great game by them as well.
I love ND because of the way the kids play and represent the university. I will not complain about the call at the end. It hurts, but this team stepped up and played awesome last night. Class kids all the way.

 

[GUknights75]

In that second picture you see the two ND "receivers" classically setting the edge ... if it was a running play.

They had 3 defenders boxed out and maintained it "downfield" on a pass play.

They knew where the ball was going and made no attempt to be a receiver. They performed their blocking task well, actually too well. A rub is a to finesse block one that is NOT supposed to be actually set.

Again, it paints a picture that doesn't tell the whole story. Prosise does not even touch him with his hands, if CJ can block Ramsey with just his shoulder pad than Ramsey doesn't deserve to be on the field. You can clearly see the stretched out part of the jersey showing he was being pulled. As for Fuller, the vine from Observer sports says it all.
https://vine.co/v/ObOBAdPbI5a
Darby jumps in front of Fuller, they hand fight (which isn't illegal last time I checked), he turned his head and looked for the ball. I see why people THINK it was OPI, but from a different perspective it shows a completely different story. At most it's PI on both Darby and Fuller and should have been a no call.

 

[BobD]

Oh and before I go get some breakfast.....

Last night we moved way up on many recruits (and their parents) wish lists!

Guess who's back, back again......WE'RE BACK!

 

[philipm31]

Didn't need a to. We scored the ball. Refs, on that play, chose to call it back.

It was not a reply to you. It was to the guy that said we should run the ball because we were getting 3 to 5 yards a pop, but that "Kelly had to be Kelly" and call a pass.

I do think that we could have run it in with Golson ala BC, though. Who knows?

 

[chicago51]

Couple things:

1- Would like to see our DBs playing with inside leverage technique in the second half, as FSU's killed us on post/slants. Sure inside leverage opens could leave out breaking routes open but you got to something different and at least make FSU re-adjust again after they adjusted to what you where doing to them in the first half.

2 - Got no beef about the call to end the game.

3 - Got got a huge beef about the no call on Ronald Darby that was so pass interference, picture perfect face guarding without turning his head around or playing the ball. Still would not have given ND a touch down but they would have been downfield closer to the goal line sooner with more time on the clock.

 

[GUknights75]

Last thing I'll say... the back judge, who called the penalty, didn't even turn his head in that direction until the ball was in the end zone and could not possible have seen the PI. Watch him on the gif. He threw the flag "blind" and well after the play was completed. Then they couldn't figure out who to call it on, and now there is retroactive justification that it was "right."

Secondly, the side judge with perfect view of the play calls nothing, and the head ref asks the back judge something to the effect of "are you sure you want to call that?" in the conference.

Third, you can't make a case that there was offensive PI and not also make the case that there was defensive holding. So I don't buy the retroactive "but it was the right call crap" because you also missed a call if that was the case.

Finally, neither of the DBs tries to cover Robinson. Neither of them get "picked." They both actively try to jam the receivers which is why there is the contact. They are initiating it. And then they realize there is busted coverage at the last second and try to fight off the jam that they, the DBs, initiated. I feel like everyone arguing that call is correct completely ignore the fact that the DBs are not even attempting to cover Robinson until the ball is over halfway to him, and the receivers at no point "deviate" from their initial route to impede them.

Again this is exactly how I feel. I just don't understand how people don't see the defensive holding. It's clear as day to me and many others. It's not like it will change the outcome of the game if they say it was a bad call, I just don't like people blaming Prosise and Fuller when they were both victims on that play. Actually, we all were victims on that play.

 

[irishff1014]

Oh and before I go get some breakfast.....

Last night we moved way up on many recruits (and their parents) wish lists!

Guess who's back, back again......WE'RE BACK!

I agree Bob

 

[Classic Irish]

Does anyone truly believe that if a flag had NOT been thrown, FSU fans would have been screaming "Where's the flag?! That was obvious offensive PI! The refs just screwed us!" In other words, would a non-call by the officials have elicited this much scrutiny? I very seriously doubt it.

 

[kmoose]

From what I saw, Ramsey turns around after the play and starts to yell at Darby or the safety (not the refs) for not covering Robinson. Which leads me to believe he doesn't think he was being blocked and that he knew that he was holding CJ. Is it inconceivable that, knowing Fisher had alerted the refs, Ramsey held him on purpose to try and draw a call for picking?

It was a close play and IMO a bad call. Our boys played their hearts out and came up with a heart breaking L. Extremely proud of them today.

Your scenario here might make sense, IF the PI was called on Prosise. It was not. It was called on Fuller, so no, it doesn't make any sense that the man on Prosise "flopped", in an effort to draw the penalty, and therefore influenced the call.

 

[philipm31]

Couple things:

1- Would like to see our DBs playing with inside leverage technique in the second half, as FSU's killed us on post/slants. Sure inside leverage opens could leave out breaking routes open but you got to something different and at least make FSU re-adjust again after they adjusted to what you where doing to them in the first half.

2 - Got no beef about the call to end the game.

3 - Got got a huge beef about the no call on Ronald Darby that was so pass interference, picture perfect face guarding without turning his head around or playing the ball. Still would not have given ND a touch down but they would have been downfield closer to the goal line sooner with more time on the clock.

Regarding #3, is face-guarding considered illegal in CFB now? I thought it was still considered legal. In the NFL, that is textbook defensive PI.

And that last play was total BS, at the very least should have been a no-call. Seriously, I bet there were a dozen penalties on the last play of a game that could be called but aren't because refs usually realize that.

Total gut-punch, crap call.

 

[Irish2155]

It was not a reply to you. It was to the guy that said we should run the ball because we were getting 3 to 5 yards a pop, but that "Kelly had to be Kelly" and call a pass.

I do think that we could have run it in with Golson ala BC, though. Who knows?

Who knows? Been nice to have Bettis to give the ball to but we don't. We put the ball in the hands of the best player on the field, and scored, refs just chose to pull the flag.

 

[kmoose]

And that last play was total BS, at the very least should have been a no-call. Seriously, I bet there were a dozen penalties on the last play of a game that could be called but aren't because refs usually realize that.

Total gut-punch, crap call.

So you're saying that FSU should NOT have been credited with an interception?

 

[philipm31]

Does anyone truly believe that if a flag had NOT been thrown, FSU fans would have been screaming "Where's the flag?! That was obvious offensive PI! The refs just screwed us!" In other words, would a non-call by the officials have elicited this much scrutiny? I very seriously doubt it.

If ND wins, that call gets played ad infinitum and is called controversial. When ND loses, it is called "absolutely correct".

#JustSaying

 

[chicago51]

Regarding #3, is face-guarding considered illegal in CFB now? I thought it was still considered legal. In the NFL, that is textbook defensive PI.

Yes hence I thought Darby should have been called for a PI. ND would have been down there sooner. Hard, in fact impossible say how the game would have played out differently. Maybe though Golson takes off scrambling again and he would have gotten in the endzone instead of getting tackled after getting a first down.

 

[philipm31]

So you're saying that FSU should NOT have been credited with an interception?

Considering the fact that that particular play should not have even existed?

You know what I meant.

 

[irish#underground]

What? There was a penalty that didn't get called. Work on reading comprehension...come again.

Reading comprehension?? Dude im not speaking Chinese...

 

[GUknights75]

Your scenario here might make sense, IF the PI was called on Prosise. It was not. It was called on Fuller, so no, it doesn't make any sense that the man on Prosise "flopped", in an effort to draw the penalty, and therefore influenced the call.

Actually the box score says it was called on Prosise.

UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site - Football

 

[philipm31]

Yes hence I thought Darby should have been called for a PI. ND would have been down there sooner. Hard, in fact impossible say how the game would have played out differently. Maybe though Golson takes off scrambling again and he would have gotten in the endzone instead of getting tackled after getting a first down.

Ah okay, I did not know that they changed that ruling because that is ridiculous it was not called.

 

[connor_in]

Regarding #3, is face-guarding considered illegal in CFB now? I thought it was still considered legal. In the NFL, that is textbook defensive PI.

And that last play was total BS, at the very least should have been a no-call. Seriously, I bet there were a dozen penalties on the last play of a game that could be called but aren't because refs usually realize that.

Total gut-punch, crap call.

Chicago is right about 3

Darby never looked back and had his hands on the receiver. But I don't expect Mark May to point that out.

 

[chicago51]

By the way I thought the ND coaching was excellent. Only beef was my aforementioned desire of having our DBs play inside leverage on the FSU WRs, and who knows maybe they where and getting beat on slants/posts anyway. Hard to tell alignments in detail on TV. All in all though I thought BK and BVG where exceptional this game.

 

[connor_in]

Watched and re-watched this and read and watched all sorts of analysis.

Here is my take.

Everyone who says it is illegal is correct. That said the question becomes when do you call it. If you say call it every time, then I say call every hold every time. What the officials do is decide the degree of the infraction, and determine what her or not to call it. If they don't,then you would have a flag nearly every or every other play.

Back to this play. The play was bang-bang. The DB not only hit, but grabbed CJ as well. CJ then pushed into him on a surge and CRob had the ball by then. The FSU players didn't really appear to be begging for the cal but angry with each other, meaning they didn't expect it to be called either. Due to the initial action of the DB and the quickness of the occurrence, I don't think it should have been called. I don't think the degree of the infraction required it to be called.




Aside: Most of the people on TV saying good call are pointing to the stopped picture or frame by frame slow motion replay. My response is to have them watch any of FSU's touchdowns in slow motion or still picture and NOT find a penalty on them.

It was called. We didn't convert. We ended up losing. These guys played their guts out. I love our guys a ton and respect them like crazy. This was not the year we are supposed to do anything. This is the year we had 5 guys pulled away at the last minute before the season for something the rest of big time college football laughed at. We are unlike almost any other program in the country. #WeAreND

 

[Classic Irish]

If ND wins, that call gets played ad infinitum and is called controversial. When ND loses, it is called "absolutely correct".

#JustSaying

I disagree. I don't think the alleged PI even gets noticed. The pundits would then rationalize an ND win as FSU just not being that good.

 

[connor_in]

If ND wins, that call gets played ad infinitum and is called controversial. When ND loses, it is called "absolutely correct".

#JustSaying

Agreed

 

[philipm31]

Watched and re-watched this and read and watched all sorts of analysis.

Here is my take.

Everyone who says it is illegal is correct. That said the question becomes when do you call it. If you say call it every time, then I say call every hold every time. What the officials do is decide the degree of the infraction, and determine what her or not to call it. If they don't,then you would have a flag nearly every or every other play.

Back to this play. The play was bang-bang. The DB not only hit, but grabbed CJ as well. CJ then pushed into him on a surge and CRob had the ball by then. The FSU players didn't really appear to be begging for the cal but angry with each other, meaning they didn't expect it to be called either. Due to the initial action of the DB and the quickness of the occurrence, I don't think it should have been called. I don't think the degree of the infraction required it to be called.




Aside: Most of the people on TV saying good call are pointing to the stopped picture or frame by frame slow motion replay. My response is to have them watch any of FSU's touchdowns in slow motion or still picture and NOT find a penalty on them.

It was called. We didn't convert. We ended up losing. These guys played their guts out. I love our guys a ton and respect them like crazy. This was not the year we are supposed to do anything. This is the year we had 5 guys pulled away at the last minute before the season for something the rest of big time college football laughed at. We are unlike almost any other program in the country. #WeAreND

THIS X1000000000 (wish I knew how to make an infinity sign!)

 

[Irish Insanity]

Actually the box score says it was called on Prosise.

UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site - Football

Listening to the Audio again, the ref says #7

 

[kmoose]

Actually the box score says it was called on Prosise.

UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site - Football

Watch the replay, the referee says "#7".

 

[OrlaNDomer]

Was at the game and in FSUs student section. Before game they were talking about how many TDs they would win by and how we were a slow northern team with no speed. By half time they were silenced they couldn't believe what they were seeing, there team being outplayed. Post game of course they were all excited but we definitely earned their respect. I think the biggest thing coming out of this game is that we shook off the Bama loss from two years ago in terms of perception from the south.

 

[philipm31]

I disagree. I don't think the alleged PI even gets noticed. The pundits would then rationalize an ND win as FSU just not being that good.

That too.

ND is now just a punchline for pundits to prove how bad teams are, not how good ND is.

Of course, when all they bring up is the Bama game....kinda hard to refute that. FOR NOW.

ND is definitely on the way up and people want to just hold onto the idea that ND is an overrated team, no matter the level of competition.

Another 11 win season should shut them up.