US troops to fight Ebola Virus.

[BGIF]

Some 70 hospital workers were involved with Duncan's care.

 

[BGIF]

University of Kansas Hospital isolates patient, runs Ebola tests | Latest News - Home

The University of Kansas Hospital said a person who came into the hospital with a high fever and other serious symptoms has been placed in isolation and is undergoing tests.

The patient had recently worked on a medical boat off the western coast of Africa, the region hit hard by Ebola. Officials said the patient is a medic who had been treating patients with a lot of different types of illnesses.

The hospital said that while doctors can't rule out the possibility of Ebola, the patient is at a low to moderate risk. Dr. Lee Norman said many other diseases fit the patient's symptoms.

The patient had been sick on the medical boat but showed signs of recovery after returning to the United States. On Sunday, the patient started to feel worse and came to the hospital.

"He just felt so wiped out that he decided to come in and be seen," Norman said. "Of course he is well informed. Plus he has significant weight loss."

Hospital staff met the patient wearing personal protection equipment and followed the hospital's plan for this type of situation.

"We put on impervious gowns so if there is any blood or fluids it would not get onto our clothes," Norman said.

...

The patient took a commercial flight back to the United States and has felt sick for four to five days. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will work with health departments to make sure there is no current risk to the public

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And how did he get from the airplane to a Kansas Hospital?

 

[BGIF]

Sudanese man dies of Ebola in Germany - CNN.com

(CNN) -- A United Nations worker who was being treated for Ebola at a hospital in Germany has died.
"We can confirm that the U.N. worker being treated here died last night from the Ebola virus. He was of Sudanese nationality," a spokesman for the St. Georg clinic in Leipzig said Tuesday.
The man had contracted Ebola while working in Liberia, spokesman Constantin Sauff said. Liberia is one of the countries worst affected by the deadly virus, along with Sierra Leone and Guinea.
The hospital said in a statement last Thursday that he was being treated in a secure isolation ward and that its doctors and medical staff were "perfectly prepared" for the task.

...

The husband of the Spanish nurse who died blasted health officials for inadequate training. He claims his wife only received 30 minutes of training on protective gear.

 

[BGIF]

NBC's Snyderman apologizes for violating quarantine - CNN.com

(CNN) -- NBC's medical correspondent Dr. Nancy Snyderman has issued an apology after she reportedly violated the quarantine her team was placed in when their cameraman contracted Ebola.

Snydermanand her team were under a voluntary 21 day quarantine but that didn't stop her from stepping out to a restaurant. Somebody snitched and she has publicly apologized.

Public Health officials have now put them on a mandatory 21 day quarantine.


Now she'll only get take out in the public interest.

 

[GUknights75]

NBC's Snyderman apologizes for violating quarantine - CNN.com




Snydermanand her team were under a voluntary 21 day quarantine but that didn't stop her from stepping out to a restaurant. Somebody snitched and she has publicly apologized.

Public Health officials have now put them on a mandatory 21 day quarantine.


Now she'll only get take out in the public interest.

Yeah and she was the one yelling for everyone to get the swine flu/H1N1 vaccine. She really cares about public health....

 

[IrishLion]

How many cases in the US before someone finally puts a halt to travel from West Africa?

 

[irish1958]

Kudos to Irish1958 who posted that here a month ago and was ridiculed. I trust he takes no satisfaction at being corroborated but rather is saddened by the tragic news of transmission to a health care worker. Hopefully it is only one.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/lep...s-troops-fight-ebola-virus-5.html#post1353969

Of course, I take no satisfaction from this terrible incident. I have been following this discussion but I haven't really had any additional facts to contribute. I do have some opinions though.
By law, the CDC has only an advisory capacity in this matter and is not even in charge in Dallas; an ex-lawyer (aka "the judge") is. Homeland security is responsible for "security" which would include enforcing quarantine, clean-up rules and so forth. The local health department is responsible for everything else.
We do have a number of extremely high tech units (I think five) in this country capable of handling this type of problem. I am at a loss as to why the Dallas hospital thought they could handle it, as they obviously couldn't.
As to containing Ebola: there are only a limited number of ways to combat an infectious disease, if we have no effective treatment available. Eliminate the vector: we can't since it is the humans who are the vector. Vaccinate the susceptible: we have no vaccine available. Quarantine the infectious and their contacts. That is it, "there ain't no more."
As noted in Dr. Sniderman's case, this to be effective MUST BE INFORCED and not be just a suggestion.
What would I do if I were dictator? Put the CDC in charge and restore their funding (note the 20% reduction since 2010) and give them the enforcement powers needed to do the job.
Make vaccine development and the drug industry a regulated utility so profit would not be the ONLY factor in developing and employing treatments. I have a bunch more ideas but that is enough (actually, too much) for now.

 

[irish1958]

And, of course, GO IRISH

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Just wondering how much more this is going to cost our government. I have a lot of opinions and questions but this is one of my concerns. Thoughts?

A drop in the bucket compared to the dime dropped on the American taxpayer for incursions this last decade and a half!

And this may really save American lives!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Jesse Jackson, Dallas lawmaker blame racism for Ebola patient's death - Washington Times

This is straight bull shit. The CDC says the know about this but they really don't know what they are dealing with. If so they would have been prepared for a possible outbreak.

Jesse is more of a shit starter then a helper.

This is an incredibly interesting dynamic. If what these folks have said is not true than it would be a historical first.

When a third of the population of Western Europe died in the middle ages due to bubonic plague, that death was centered among the poor in the tenements. Anyone care to look up the perspective of the relatively unaffected wealthy? I have. They considered it a gift from God!

In the late nineteenth and early twentieth century typhoid was considered a disease of poverty. It was only when it hit the wealthy summer home communities that attention was given, Typhoid Mary was identified (as was the cause of the disease) and changes were made.

The only other option is when a disease stands in the way of economic progress. (Again for the wealthy.) Yellow fever was conquered so American Imperial interests could be served. It killed too many workers to be able to complete the canal through Central America to be left unchecked, as it had in the southeast and along the Gulf Coast for the entire previous history of America.

So it is just a fact. Poor people die. If Ebola started in the US, it would be like polio, or any number of other diseases. With its West African roots, well we don't scream till it washes up on our shores.

That's just the way it is.

 

[NOLAIrish]

This is an incredibly interesting dynamic. If what these folks have said is not true than it would be a historical first.

When a third of the population of Western Europe died in the middle ages due to bubonic plague, that death was centered among the poor in the tenements. Anyone care to look up the perspective of the relatively unaffected wealthy? I have. They considered it a gift from God!

In the late nineteenth and early twentieth century typhoid was considered a disease of poverty. It was only when it hit the wealthy summer home communities that attention was given, Typhoid Mary was identified (as was the cause of the disease) and changes were made.

The only other option is when a disease stands in the way of economic progress. (Again for the wealthy.) Yellow fever was conquered so American Imperial interests could be served. It killed too many workers to be able to complete the canal through Central America to be left unchecked, as it had in the southeast and along the Gulf Coast for the entire previous history of America.

So it is just a fact. Poor people die. If Ebola started in the US, it would be like polio, or any number of other diseases. With its West African roots, well we don't scream till it washes up on our shores.

That's just the way it is.

I can get on-board with the "disparate care" narrative, but I think the remainder stretches the history of public health a bit too far. We have plenty of "pauper's diseases" that we've developed fine treatments for and many others have a huge amount of funding dedicated to development of treatments. Actually, that's becoming even more true as drug companies realize they can leverage participation in the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program to force states to cover drugs that a private insurer might exclude or severely restrict (Sovaldi, the notoriously costly Hep C drug is the latest there). The Orphan Drug Act has probably helped in some cases as well, although that's basically totally random.

We knew what caused typhoid 30 years before Mary Mallon arrived on the scene and the vaccine pre-dates her by over a decade. She's infamous for being the first known asymptomatic carrier (and for what we all see as just a crazy disregard for public safety), but she was far from the inspiration for research into a cure. That's really down to the extreme longevity of typhoid in the historical record and to its dramatic effects on war (before the vaccine, typhoid was better at killing soldiers than soldiers were).

I think when you look at our disease research spending, there's also some evidence we're not simply ignoring these kind of diseases. Infectious disease research is second in funding behind only cancer. That's going to be overwhelmingly dedicated to HIV/AIDS research (which is dramatically more prevalent among impoverished populations), but also includes TB, Hep C, etc. Rare disease and emerging infectious disease research, combined, would be third and nearly equal to ID. That's going to include things like Shigellosis (huge cause of dysentery, virtually nonexistent in the US, completely nonexistent among the affluent) and West Nile as well as general tropical medicine research.

 

[BGIF]

This is an incredibly interesting dynamic. If what these folks have said is not true than it would be a historical first.

When a third of the population of Western Europe died in the middle ages due to bubonic plague, that death was centered among the poor in the tenements. Anyone care to look up the perspective of the relatively unaffected wealthy? I have. They considered it a gift from God!

In the late nineteenth and early twentieth century typhoid was considered a disease of poverty. It was only when it hit the wealthy summer home communities that attention was given, Typhoid Mary was identified (as was the cause of the disease) and changes were made.

The only other option is when a disease stands in the way of economic progress. (Again for the wealthy.) Yellow fever was conquered so American Imperial interests could be served. It killed too many workers to be able to complete the canal through Central America to be left unchecked, as it had in the southeast and along the Gulf Coast for the entire previous history of America.

So it is just a fact. Poor people die. If Ebola started in the US, it would be like polio, or any number of other diseases. With its West African roots, well we don't scream till it washes up on our shores.

That's just the way it is.

The Plague was an equal opportunity killer. If you got exposed you were likely to die. It had nothing to do with whtie privilege or the ability to afford medical care/insurance. Your wealth didn't matter and physicans remedies probably increased the probability of survival.

The rich died in cities and countrysides alike. Princess Joan the daughter of the King of England was in route to her royal wedding in Spain when she contracted the illness and died. Instead of a bond between England and Spain and resolution on the line of succession. The Plantagenants were weakened. Two rival Plantagenent Houses went to war over succession. In the end the Tudors supplanted both tof them. If the wealthy Princess Joan the paragon of white privilege hadn't gotten ill and died, Henry VII would not have been the first Tudor King of England and his son, Henry VIII wouldn't have established the Church of England.

The plague is a poor example of Jackson's point.

By the way, Nina Pham is not a symbol of white privilege either. A Vietnamese American she rose above her roots (the American Dream) and now is fighting for her life primarily because a guy quit his job, lied twice in airports to medical officials. And wasn't candid with his history in a Dallas Hospital. If he doesn't get on the plane in Monrovia or Brussels only Res Life Hero would have heard of Nina.

Jesse will find a way to squeeze some green mail out of this. That's his M.O.

 

[enrico514]

I believe there are four medical isolation units in the entire United States capable of adequately handling infected Ebola patients.

-Emory University's Serious Communicable Disease Unit (three beds)
-St. Patrick Hospital's ICU Isolation Unit (three beds)
-The National Institute of Health's Special Clinical Studies Unit (seven beds)
-The Nebraska Medical Center's Biocontainment Unit (ten beds)

Of course, I take no satisfaction from this terrible incident. I have been following this discussion but I haven't really had any additional facts to contribute. I do have some opinions though.
By law, the CDC has only an advisory capacity in this matter and is not even in charge in Dallas; an ex-lawyer (aka "the judge") is. Homeland security is responsible for "security" which would include enforcing quarantine, clean-up rules and so forth. The local health department is responsible for everything else.
We do have a number of extremely high tech units (I think five) in this country capable of handling this type of problem. I am at a loss as to why the Dallas hospital thought they could handle it, as they obviously couldn't.
As to containing Ebola: there are only a limited number of ways to combat an infectious disease, if we have no effective treatment available. Eliminate the vector: we can't since it is the humans who are the vector. Vaccinate the susceptible: we have no vaccine available. Quarantine the infectious and their contacts. That is it, "there ain't no more."
As noted in Dr. Sniderman's case, this to be effective MUST BE INFORCED and not be just a suggestion.
What would I do if I were dictator? Put the CDC in charge and restore their funding (note the 20% reduction since 2010) and give them the enforcement powers needed to do the job.
Make vaccine development and the drug industry a regulated utility so profit would not be the ONLY factor in developing and employing treatments. I have a bunch more ideas but that is enough (actually, too much) for now.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I can get on-board with the "disparate care" narrative, but I think the remainder stretches the history of public health a bit too far. We have plenty of "pauper's diseases" that we've developed fine treatments for and many others have a huge amount of funding dedicated to development of treatments. Actually, that's becoming even more true as drug companies realize they can leverage participation in the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program to force states to cover drugs that a private insurer might exclude or severely restrict (Sovaldi, the notoriously costly Hep C drug is the latest there). The Orphan Drug Act has probably helped in some cases as well, although that's basically totally random.

We knew what caused typhoid 30 years before Mary Mallon arrived on the scene and the vaccine pre-dates her by over a decade. She's infamous for being the first known asymptomatic carrier (and for what we all see as just a crazy disregard for public safety), but she was far from the inspiration for research into a cure. That's really down to the extreme longevity of typhoid in the historical record and to its dramatic effects on war (before the vaccine, typhoid was better at killing soldiers than soldiers were).

I think when you look at our disease research spending, there's also some evidence we're not simply ignoring these kind of diseases. Infectious disease research is second in funding behind only cancer. That's going to be overwhelmingly dedicated to HIV/AIDS research (which is dramatically more prevalent among impoverished populations), but also includes TB, Hep C, etc. Rare disease and emerging infectious disease research, combined, would be third and nearly equal to ID. That's going to include things like Shigellosis (huge cause of dysentery, virtually nonexistent in the US, completely nonexistent among the affluent) and West Nile as well as general tropical medicine research.

The argument of my original post was a little to over-simplistic, but sometimes that is what you have to do to get attention around here!

True all your facts about typhoid. But until lovely Mary was shown to be an asymptomatic carrier, tons of poor were dying of typhoid while the rich who lived nearby were not contracting it due to the original medical understanding . . . as you have indicated. There was no emphasis on getting the cure to the poor, until the equation was redefined by Mary's case.

I always had an affinity toward anthropologists, because everyone I met admits that their organized scientific beginnings sprung out of the racial supremacists misanthropy of the Victorian English Imperialists. As man was codified and classified by traits, by what separated and made him inferior to a good English gentleman, so goes the history of medical advances.

Sometimes religion won out over classism for the poor, if you convert to my religion we will give you the cure, but mostly it took an understanding by the rich, noble, and powerful that their horse was "hitched to the same wagon" as the poor, before help trickled down from the top.

The point is, now all of that is changing. Some parts of the world don't even have slaves or serfs anymore! And in some places the poor even have rights and wealth enough to extract to make more money for the wealthy!

So many of the poor interact with the wealthy in much closer regards today, as well. In the times of certain renowned nobility of the dark and middle ages, these rulers never spoke to a general member of the rural, poor, population; serfdom was kept at a distance and only engaged and manipulated by much inferior vassals.

The Plague was an equal opportunity killer. If you got exposed you were likely to die. It had nothing to do with whtie privilege or the ability to afford medical care/insurance. Your wealth didn't matter and physicans remedies probably increased the probability of survival.

The rich died in cities and countrysides alike. Princess Joan the daughter of the King of England was in route to her royal wedding in Spain when she contracted the illness and died. Instead of a bond between England and Spain and resolution on the line of succession. The Plantagenants were weakened. Two rival Plantagenent Houses went to war over succession. In the end the Tudors supplanted both tof them. If the wealthy Princess Joan the paragon of white privilege hadn't gotten ill and died, Henry VII would not have been the first Tudor King of England and his son, Henry VIII wouldn't have established the Church of England.

The plague is a poor example of Jackson's point.

By the way, Nina Pham is not a symbol of white privilege either. A Vietnamese American she rose above her roots (the American Dream) and now is fighting for her life primarily because a guy quit his job, lied twice in airports to medical officials. And wasn't candid with his history in a Dallas Hospital. If he doesn't get on the plane in Monrovia or Brussels only Res Life Hero would have heard of Nina.

Jesse will find a way to squeeze some green mail out of this. That's his M.O.

A lot of people maintain the plague was an equal opportunity killer. There a few problems with this. "The Plague" or Black Death was an amalgam of bubonic, septicemic, and pneumonic plagues, that actually broke out at different times in different places, with different results. By in large, I think it is a good example. The earlier the plague outbreak, the more it was reduced to the impoverished. (And sailors and traders.) And my point about the economic impetus to end the plague? Because the plague killed so many of the working population, wages rose with the demand for labor. Some historians have seen this as a turning point in European economic development.*

Kind of interesting to think about. The true impoverished medieval masses, were brought up out of their abject poverty because they were nearly killed off and thus there was such a premium placed upon the labor they could provide due to the macabre shortage created!

Bowsky, William (1971). The Black Death: A Turning Point in History?. Holt, Rinehart and Winston. ISBN 978-0-03-085000-4.
Bridbury, A.R. (1983). Economic Growth: England in the Later Middle Ages. Greenwood Press. ISBN 978-0-313-24066-9.

 

[irishff1014]

Ebola test positive for 2nd Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital worker - CBS News

This could end up with dozens of cases.

 

[ginman]

This is clearly nowhere near under control. How do they let one of the healthcare workers fly on a plane during the incubation period after another one has already contracted ebola and they are not sure how? The CDC/govt has still not stopped incoming flights from West Africa. Healthcare workers are contracting the disease and then jumping on flights. The Dallas ebola patient sat in the ER for hours before he was isolated. Not looking pretty at this point.

 

[woolybug25]

This is clearly nowhere near under control. How do they let one of the healthcare workers fly on a plane during the incubation period after another one has already contracted ebola and they are not sure how? The CDC/govt has still not stopped incoming flights from West Africa. Healthcare workers are contracting the disease and then jumping on flights. The Dallas ebola patient sat in the ER for hours before he was isolated. Not looking pretty at this point.

This is what I would like to know. Did this healthworker know in fact, that she had just treated an Ebola patient? If so, what in the hell is she doing on a plane, regardless of symptoms?

 

[enrico514]

This is clearly nowhere near under control. How do they let one of the healthcare workers fly on a plane during the incubation period after another one has already contracted ebola and they are not sure how? The CDC/govt has still not stopped incoming flights from West Africa. Healthcare workers are contracting the disease and then jumping on flights. The Dallas ebola patient sat in the ER for hours before he was isolated. Not looking pretty at this point.

For the inbound flights: The State Department said last week that they analyze the cost/benefits of blocking these flights and that it is too costly to do so at this time.

I find it particularly reassuring that the CDC is asking the 132 passengers that were on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth on Oct. 13 to call 1-800-CDC-INFO to begin monitoring.

 

[ginman]

For the inbound flights: The State Department said last week that they analyze the cost/benefits of blocking these flights and that it is too costly to do so at this time.
I find it particularly reassuring that the CDC is asking the 132 passengers that were on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth on Oct. 13 to call 1-800-CDC-INFO to begin monitoring.

Too costly for who? I trust the State Department as far as I can kick them. France and GB stopped incoming flights a week ago. I guess they could AFFORD to protect their citizens.

 

[irishff1014]

For the inbound flights: The State Department said last week that they analyze the cost/benefits of blocking these flights and that it is too costly to do so at this time.

I find it particularly reassuring that the CDC is asking the 132 passengers that were on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth on Oct. 13 to call 1-800-CDC-INFO to begin monitoring.

Who cares about money when people lives and the possible spread of a deadly illness is in limbo.

 

[johnnycando]

So another selfish person, this time the 2nd infected nurse that cares for Duncan, flew with a fever.

She has now been confirmed positive for Ebola.

Nearby Amarillo had an Ebola scare today.

Shit is getting more real by the day...

 

[johnnycando]

If one, just one Ebola patient goes to Walmart infected/with symptoms and shedding the virus actively...

It's over.

 

[dang227]

The mother of one of the boys in my daughter's class was on the flight with 2nd infected nurse. She was told to stay home from work but the dumb bitch was at the school today telling everyone about it.



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[irish1958]

This is clearly nowhere near under control. How do they let one of the healthcare workers fly on a plane during the incubation period after another one has already contracted ebola and they are not sure how? The CDC/govt has still not stopped incoming flights from West Africa. Healthcare workers are contracting the disease and then jumping on flights. The Dallas ebola patient sat in the ER for hours before he was isolated. Not looking pretty at this point.

CDC has no legal authority to do anything other than advise and offer suggestions. There are two agencies who do have authority: homeland security and the local health department and by extension, the Texas state health authority. The Ebola local "task force" is headed by a judge not a medical person.
This has been mishandled since the beginning.

 

[tussin]

If this ever gets to one college kid in Texas.... watch out. That could end with hundreds of cases.

 

[enrico514]

you just can't make this shit up:

"CBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. John LaPook reports that Vinson called the CDC several times before boarding the plane concerned about her fever."

CDC: Ebola Patient Traveled By Air With “Low-Grade” Fever « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

 

[johnnycando]

you just can't make this shit up:

"CBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. John LaPook reports that Vinson called the CDC several times before boarding the plane concerned about her fever."

CDC: Ebola Patient Traveled By Air With “Low-Grade” Fever « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

She is an African American.

Expect Jesse Jackson to be involved soon.

Maybe Al Sharpton.

 

[johnnycando]

Dallas leaders prepare to request state disaster declaration - Dallas News | myFOXdfw.com

 

[johnnycando]

Ebola patient flew day before symptoms - CNN.com

 

[irish#underground]

Conspiracy man(Population Control).