Where has the "Nasty" Been?

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Is it just me or does it seem like the "Nasty" team that coach wies promised us disappeared since the Michigan game?

I was thinking that we haven't been nearly as physical on offense or defense the past couple of weeks. I know there were some hits in the Navy game, but overall it seems like we haven't made it a point to just beat up on a team with some hard hitting and flying to the football.

Even our running game is predicated on draws and delays, which is why I get excited when TT or JA come into the game. (Please don't get me wrong, I still am a DW supporter)

I would love to see us come out tomorrow with a chip on the old shoulder and blow up some of these Air Force players...Nothing sets the tone of the game like hammering your opponent.
 
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Yeah, I've been waiting for another hit like the one Ndukwe laid on Calvin Johnson. I think that nasty d showed up in the 2nd half of the MSU game & Navy game.
 

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Is it just me or does it seem like the "Nasty" team that coach wies promised us disappeared since the Michigan game?
I wonder about that each week when I watch Inside ND Football which starts with the "nasty" quote.
 

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It would help if we had better players on D and on the o-line. And a better defensive coach. You can only be nasty if your personnel allows it.


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misspelled "personnel" as "personal" which is kind of inexplicable
 
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I think that a nasty, lay it on the line attitude can offset some of the lack of talent...Sometimes the more talented player can lose to the player who just wants it more...Give me a player who is hungry over a player who is afraid of contact anyday...I think that this is where an upset is born. We play better when our back is against the wall.
 
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It would help if we had better players on D and on the o-line. And a better defensive coach. You can only be nasty if your personal allows it.

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Bullcrap...it's a mentality not necessarily a physical trait. Some of the shit you post makes absolutely no sense.

Read more...Post less.
 

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i agree 100 percent hcti and i agree nasty is a state of mind
 
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It would help if we had better players on D and on the o-line. And a better defensive coach. You can only be nasty if your personal allows it.

Personnel, not personal. You can't coach for a "nasty" attitude. That's a pretty elementary concept to grasp. Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
 

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I think its been there, with the exception of the Michigan game. Our D has been knocking the snot out of the opposing team on some of the plays. Problem is, they try to go for the big hit too much and miss tackling the guy and they break it for big plays. But, for the most part they have been hitting players pretty damn hard this year. Personally, I'll settle for good tackling over the nasty hits.
 

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If you watched the UNC game or a tape of the game, when the bench was playing later in the game, take a look at the tackle Toryan Smith made. Now that was NASTY!!!!!!!
 

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yes sir i remember that well the unc game was the first time i seen them jumping up and down and brady turned around and started screaming at them before they came out i wish they would have been doing that the whole season
 

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This is just TOO funny.

If you don't think our team is "nastier" under Coach Weis then it had been under Coach Willingham, you're just not watching the same games as I am. This same team, under Willingham and his-ho-hum-is-it-my-tee-time-yet? attitude, would be 3-6 or 4-5... at the very best.

When Weis stepped foot on this campus, this team changed.

Under Willingham, we kept things close. Under Weis, we finish teams off. Under Willingham, we accepted defeat and cherished moral victories. Under Weis, we criticize victory and strive to be greater. Statistically speaking, we generally dominate every game from whistle to whistle. All of this with average talent, higher expectations and unparalled demands on these student-athletes.

Under Willingham, players fizzled out in the 3rd quarter and flat out disappered in the 4th. Under Weis, we dominate as the game gets longer. Under Willingham, players made many mistakes and mental lapses. Under Weis, they meticulously prepare for battle week in and week out.

This team is nasty. This team embodies our coaching staff, the University and the millions of faithful followers like you and I. And it does all of this with average talent at most positions. And it keeps winning despite the odds.

This team is intelligent, hard working and nasty just like Coach Weis promised. And he's made it happen since the day he stepped foot on campus. And he's done it with a group of 3-star kids that nobody else wanted.

So I guess my answer to your question is: Right under your nose.
 

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If you watched the UNC game or a tape of the game, when the bench was playing later in the game, take a look at the tackle Toryan Smith made. Now that was NASTY!!!!!!!

YES ! That was the schnizzle ! :wordyo: I think Herring has a nasty streak as well, he seems like he posseses a headhunter mentality.
 

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Personnel, not personal. You can't coach for a "nasty" attitude. That's a pretty elementary concept to grasp. Did you eat paint chips as a kid?


I made a careless typo, which is much less indicative of stupidity than is making a stupid point, as you did. You can't coach for nasty? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. From Buddy Ryan to Ron English to Greg Schiano to Lovie Smith, plenty of coaches have coached their teams to be nasty on D. Rutgers and Ga Tech and Michigan are good examples. They're talented, but talent alone doesn't make a D nasty. The coach can do a lot.

I'm not sure what you're thinking with this idiotic comment. If you can't coach it, and it doesn't have anything to do with talent, then where does it come from? You really think certain players are just inherently nasty, and others not? And that certain teams just happen to recruit nasty players exclusively? Now THAT is idiotic. It has to do with talent and with the attitude of the defensive coach. And that's it. Moron.
 

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Also I disagree that the team is nasty. I think the studs on offense are, and have that mentality. I think the defense is as nasty as possible, considering. It's difficult to be too nasty when you're getting beat deep downfield, and failing to generate a pass rush, and getting gashed on big runs.

I mean you may consider it "nasty" to give a guy a big lick when he makes 20 yard catch down the middle- I consider it unimpressive, and would prefer he just defend the pass next time, and THEN gloat. That would be nasty.
 

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I made a careless typo, which is much less indicative of stupidity than is making a stupid point, as you did. ...

Typos are incorrect finger to key actions be they tranposing keys on different rows, different fingers, different hands, double strikes, etc. You didn't make a typo, much less a careless one. You correctly typed an 8 letter homonym for the correct 9 letter word. The meanings of "personal" and "personnel" are considerably different. You used the wrong one.
 

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Your error was not "kind of inexplicable". Actually it is explicable. I explained it in the post above. You screwed up.

By the way, there is no "kind of" with inexplicable. It can either be explained, explicable, or it can not, inexplicable.
 

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Is it just me or does it seem like the "Nasty" team that coach wies promised us disappeared since the Michigan game?

I was thinking that we haven't been nearly as physical on offense or defense the past couple of weeks. I know there were some hits in the Navy game, but overall it seems like we haven't made it a point to just beat up on a team with some hard hitting and flying to the football.

Even our running game is predicated on draws and delays, which is why I get excited when TT or JA come into the game. (Please don't get me wrong, I still am a DW supporter)

I would love to see us come out tomorrow with a chip on the old shoulder and blow up some of these Air Force players...Nothing sets the tone of the game like hammering your opponent.

I have to agree with Svo and Marv. What games were you watching?

If you watched Charlie's Press Conferences or read the transcripts you would know that the draws and delays are part of the game plan which Charlie called playing "softball". He noted that sometimes he plays "hardball" and sometimes he plays "softball". So lining up and pounding them isn't going to happen if the OC isn't calling those type of plays.

There was one game where you could hear Weis yell at Quinn, "Another methodical drive!" Again the game plan - short passes, move the ball around. It's more finesse than nasty. The OLs don't get to smash defenders on pass play like they do on a Student Body Left (which ND doesn't run).

Keep in mind the offense has essentially played the season without a FB. You don't play smashmouth without a FB. Four and Five Wideouts don't make for a "nasty" offense. OLs are reactive rather than proactive on pass plays, screens, and draws which is a large part of Charlie's offensive plan.

On defense, there have been a lot of bodies flying. Wooden, Zib, Thomas, Vernaglia, and others didn't get hurt avoiding contact. They got injured slamming people. Marv makes a good point about trying to slam people rather than tackle them. We've whiffed on a number of tackles trying to light up or strip a ball carrier or receiver (Lymon) instead of wrapping him up.

Victor's been tossing people like rag dolls despite double teams. Laws and Landri have been creating havoc up the middle. Talley quite mid-season so we're playing underclassmen in his slot.

On defense remember many games through the first half of the season were played mostly as a 4-2-5 because ND doesn't have Wes Pritchett types at LB and because ND faced passing attacks.

ND returned one starting LB who changed positions and who had BACK SURGERY and missed Spring Ball and a lot of contact in the Summer. Brockington also had surgery and missed the Spring and most of the Summer. The other LB was a RB until summer camp started. This group is still developoing as a unit.

On the OLine Harris was also kept out of summer camp contact til a few days before the first game and a true freshman (lacking the muscle and experience of 22 years olds) is at the other tackle. Through midseason the RG, TE, and WR were frequently ASSIGNED to help him out. Carlson isn't the blocker that Fasano was - yet.

Against Navy, Zibby made 3 of the first 5 tackles and something like 5 of the first 9. He was flying all over the field and slamming people. He looked like a one man defensive unit for a while. He was handling the pitchman on both sides of the field. ND later brought up Nedu and changed the assignments in the alley that shutdown the Navy attack.

You want to see nasty, replay Lambert's TD in the MSU game watch the devastating blow Travis Thomas throws to spring Terrail for the score.

In the last post game press conference Weis commented on the strong play by Harris - second game in a row he's been mentioned. Same for Brockington.

Preseason the defense was considered suspect with a glaring hole for a Linebacking Corps. The Team has played around that.

We're you expecting the '88 Defense? There is no Bolcar, Prichett, Golic, Crable, or Stonebreaker on the team like there used to be. We used to have several at one time, now we don't have one. Perhaps Smith in time, maybe one or more of the incoming freshman but for now as Svo noted, ND is getting as much nasty as you can out of the material and depth that's there.

This Team has come a long way in the past 21 games and will continue to develop.

A win against Air Force gives ND back to back 9 win seasons for the first time since '92-'93!

Enjoy the wins!
 

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I think there is still some nasty in the team. If you remember the MSU and UNC games when a scuffle broke out on the sideline. I think the D-line gets pumped during the games especially Laundry he is enjoying his year.
 

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I saw this thread title and lost all thought of CFB... me gal says thank ya...
 
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Typos are incorrect finger to key actions be they tranposing keys on different rows, different fingers, different hands, double strikes, etc. You didn't make a typo, much less a careless one. You correctly typed an 8 letter homonym for the correct 9 letter word. The meanings of "personal" and "personnel" are considerably different. You used the wrong one.

Your error was not "kind of inexplicable". Actually it is explicable. I explained it in the post above. You screwed up.

By the way, there is no "kind of" with inexplicable. It can either be explained, explicable, or it can not, inexplicable.

I "kind of" like it. ;) I see pedantry is not my province alone.
I don't know how or why the word (pedantry) and it's intention got assigned such a negative connotation.
What's wrong with a little precision. Hell, it's what we demand out of our football team, why not out of each other.
It can do nothing if not advance the culture and its people.
No harm, no foul in my mind but beware the "prick" invectives that typically follow.
BGPIF = Big Gobs of Precise InFormation
 

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What's wrong with a little precision. Hell, it's what we demand out of our football team, why not out of each other.
Dood, it's the Intarweb...how dare anyone point out errors in spelling, grammar or flat out misuse of a word!

Flashing back to Damon Wayans on "In Living Color" as Oswald Bates (the prisoner who constantly screwed up the English language and made up his own words) :)

Oswald!
 

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I "kind of" like it. ;) I see pedantry is not my province alone.
I don't know how or why the word (pedantry) and it's intention got assigned such a negative connotation.
What's wrong with a little precision. Hell, it's what we demand out of our football team, why not out of each other.
It can do nothing if not advance the culture and its people.
No harm, no foul in my mind but beware the "prick" invectives that typically follow.
BGPIF = Big Gobs of Precise InFormation

Pedantry, no. Posters before me dealt with the error in words. I addressed the weaseling excuse which compounded the error.


As for precision, one can make precise measurements with precise instruments and still be inaccurate.
 
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