Malaysian Airlines Flight Down in Ukraine

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>U.S. says it has evidence Russian artillery is firing across border to attack Ukrainian military: State Dept.</p>— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) <a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters/statuses/492367793728520192">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This as Russian increased the amount of fire coming from their side of the border, and the Ukrainian PM resigned:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Ukraine's rebels still think it's a good idea to shoot down high-flying planes. <a href="http://t.co/XLndh5enV8">http://t.co/XLndh5enV8</a></p>— Vox (@voxdotcom) <a href="https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/statuses/492553587809976321">July 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Russian business executives fear lasting economic damage from Malaysia Airlines jet crash: <a href="http://t.co/vKDvWzNbX9">http://t.co/vKDvWzNbX9</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/statuses/492693291465703424">July 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Maybe this is why Russia is so pissy lately:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Russia has lost control with a satellite containing 5 geckos engaged in sex experiments <a href="http://t.co/T2MJMip6Qx">http://t.co/T2MJMip6Qx</a></p>— HuffPost Green (@HuffPostGreen) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuffPostGreen/statuses/492723608767045632">July 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Dutch victims of the downed flight arriving in Holland.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Unarmed Australian police to help Dutch-led force secure <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash">#MH17</a> jet crash site: <a href="http://t.co/cGCQH9dmCz">http://t.co/cGCQH9dmCz</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/statuses/493324109326323712">July 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Visit by team of international police to site of Malaysian plane disaster canceled over reports of fighting <a href="http://t.co/Bbnqfope0f">http://t.co/Bbnqfope0f</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/statuses/493362917057003520">July 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>There is a culpable party in the Ukraine and it's time to start blaming, says <a href="https://twitter.com/MillerMENA">@MillerMENA</a> : <a href="http://t.co/6y5TU6dWOE">http://t.co/6y5TU6dWOE</a> <a href="http://t.co/6wOHjknN5j">pic.twitter.com/6wOHjknN5j</a></p>— VICE News (@vicenews) <a href="https://twitter.com/vicenews/statuses/493463584299810816">July 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Ukrainian officials: Black boxes show MH17 suffered "massive, explosive decompression" after shrapnel hit: <a href="http://t.co/HSvLcYbMhs">http://t.co/HSvLcYbMhs</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/statuses/493701252048773120">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Australian-Dutch probe team renew efforts to access <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash">#MH17</a> site after fighting kept them away: <a href="http://t.co/AYk78nHwDK">http://t.co/AYk78nHwDK</a> <a href="http://t.co/L4bHaqFXBe">pic.twitter.com/L4bHaqFXBe</a></p>— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) <a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters/statuses/493789256499101696">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The International Criminal Court not likely to try those responsible for the downing of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash">#MH17</a>: <a href="http://t.co/iLH6f01upK">http://t.co/iLH6f01upK</a> <a href="http://t.co/U3g5630ZUb">pic.twitter.com/U3g5630ZUb</a></p>— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) <a href="https://twitter.com/Reuters/statuses/494523832703938560">July 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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so now hearing they have placed landmines in and around the crash site(s)...so intl inspectors cant gain access to the site...can this be coonfirmed?
 

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so now hearing they have placed landmines in and around the crash site(s)...so intl inspectors cant gain access to the site...can this be coonfirmed?

Read the same thing on CNN, but I don't know if ANYTHING can be independently confirmed over there right now. The fighting is basically where the crash site is.
 

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Because of course we did.

Of course. We shot down a commercial jetliner because some fisherman said that he saw it, 600+ miles away from our base at Diego Garcia. Because we were afraid that it was going to be used in a 9/11 style attack............. where, exactly? Diego Garcia? What would terrorists gain by flying a plane into anything on Diego Garcia? They might piss the royals off by killing some coconut crabs and a donkey or two. (All animals on the island are considered to be British subjects, and drunken sailors can, and are, prosecuted under British law for harassing wildlife on the island) I've been to Diego Garcia. I spent 6 months on that god-forsaken piece of coral. If those idiots could even find the place, out there in that rather large ocean, they would be lucky to actually crash into that tiny piece of land.
 

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Of course. We shot down a commercial jetliner because some fisherman said that he saw it, 600+ miles away from our base at Diego Garcia. Because we were afraid that it was going to be used in a 9/11 style attack............. where, exactly? Diego Garcia? What would terrorists gain by flying a plane into anything on Diego Garcia? They might piss the royals off by killing some coconut crabs and a donkey or two. (All animals on the island are considered to be British subjects, and drunken sailors can, and are, prosecuted under British law for harassing wildlife on the island) I've been to Diego Garcia. I spent 6 months on that god-forsaken piece of coral. If those idiots could even find the place, out there in that rather large ocean, they would be lucky to actually crash into that tiny piece of land.

We showed whoever sent the scare or could have been behind it a statement. Your plane will be shot down and forever removed from this planet with only a 2 month media shit storm that never really points a real finger at America. We can do that, we did that, and that is what we can do at much larger levels.

Just playing devils advocate here. Don't personally think we shot anything down but that would be one helluva statement....
 

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We showed whoever sent the scare or could have been behind it a statement. Your plane will be shot down and forever removed from this planet with only a 2 month media shit storm that never really points a real finger at America. We can do that, we did that, and that is what we can do at much larger levels.

Just playing devils advocate here. Don't personally think we shot anything down but that would be one helluva statement....

And what about the 100+ civilians on board? What message would we have sent to THEIR families?
 

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Continue play on my post, not my personal opinion btw, I don't think America would give a rats ass. I mean, we would probably care but when that decision comes down, we would take the shot. I would follow that with "Would you not?" but I don't even know if I would. Situation is way above me and I am happy for it...
 

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Continue play on my post, not my personal opinion btw, I don't think America would give a rats ass. I mean, we would probably care but when that decision comes down, we would take the shot. I would follow that with "Would you not?" but I don't even know if I would. Situation is way above me and I am happy for it...

Well,. my point was that I think the contention that the US was worried about this airliner being used in some kind of 9/11 type attack is ridiculous, as there is almost nothing but water in the area that the aircraft was in. So what would the target of any such attack have been?
 
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Well,. my point was that I think the contention that the US was worried about this airliner being used in some kind of 9/11 type attack is ridiculous, as there is almost nothing but water in the area that the aircraft was in. So what would the target of any such attack have been?

Over water or not, do we know that the flight path was part of the plan? It could have demolished many populated cities. It did not so we are lucky. "Some sort of 9/11 airliner" to me means any line that can create damage. This one could have. What were the threats? What was the original path? Was it derailed? We don't know. Could have it caused a level of 9/11? YES!

FACT is we do not know the point. Neither you or I can debate that because we aren't in deep enough to know. America should have blown it up if it was a pawn for a threat. Should you disagree with that? OF COURSE YOU SHOULD! What do I know? What do you know? Again, don't think we shot it down but it isn't crazy for someone else to say so...
 
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