[September 23, 2006] #12 Notre Dame (2-1) at Michigan State (3-0)

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#12 Notre Dame Fighting Irish (2-1) at Michigan State Spartans (3-0)
Spartan Stadium - East Lansing, MI
September 23, 2006 - 8:00pm EST

What This Game Means:

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Ive only seen bits of your games so far. What are your strengths/weaknesses on Defense?
 
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Ive only seen bits of your games so far. What are your strengths/weaknesses on Defense?

After yesterday:

Strengths - Not Quite Sure.

Weaknesses - Where do we start and do my fingers really feel like typing that much.
 

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Well if you saw the Fiesta Bowl last year, then thats exactly how we played yesterday.

Well I know that the Irish D isnt great, but Im just curious as to what parts are worse/better than other. IE: Are you better at stopping the run or stopping the pass?
 
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IMO, this game can't start soon enough. the irish and their fans need the bad taste of the Mich. game out of their mouthes. We need to get back on track, and i think this game/opponent will provide the proper motivation...giving their dominance of us lately.
 

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Ive only seen bits of your games so far. What are your strengths/weaknesses on Defense?
Contrary to what others have said thus far, I've been impressed with our defense as a whole this season.

The one spot where our defense is weak is at the cornerback position. They (Lambert and Wooden) cannot seem to stay with their man or they bite easily on good moves such as Mario Manningham's "Stop & Go" and "Studder Step" routes he ran. As for Mike Richardson, he just can't stay with anybody. When our safeties are in coverage and can get over the top of the play, they make up for the weakness. However, if they are up on the line to help protect against the run, that seems to be when we get burned on these big plays.

Our defensive line has played decent, however, they are undersized for the most part against larger offensive lines. What was supposed to be our biggest weakness (DT) has been the best area as Laws and Landri give it 100% on each play and both motors never stop. Our linebacking crew is off and on, but they do have very good speed and generally get to the ball quickly. The problem with the LB unit is there is inexperience at the position outside of Mo Crum.

If I had to name two or three strengths I would say we have good speed overall on defense, our safeties can really make some big plays and hit well and we actually have a good overall defensive scheme. The one notable weakness is we give up the big play way too often, but again, that's because of the poor cornerback play.
 
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Contrary to what others have said thus far, I've been impressed with our defense as a whole this season.

The one spot where our defense is weak is at the cornerback position. They (Lambert and Wooden) cannot seem to stay with their man or they bite easily on good moves such as Mario Manningham's "Stop & Go" and "Studder Step" routes he ran. As for Mike Richardson, he just can't stay with anybody. When our safeties are in coverage and can get over the top of the play, they make up for the weakness. However, if they are up on the line to help protect against the run, that seems to be when we get burned on these big plays.

Our defensive line has played decent, however, they are undersized for the most part against larger offensive lines. What was supposed to be our biggest weakness (DT) has been the best area as Laws and Landri give it 100% on each play and both motors never stop. Our linebacking crew is off and on, but they do have very good speed and generally get to the ball quickly. The problem with the LB unit is there is inexperience at the position outside of Mo Crum.

If I had to name two or three strengths I would say we have good speed overall on defense, our safeties can really make some big plays and hit well and we actually have a good overall defensive scheme. The one notable weakness is we give up the big play way too often, but again, that's because of the poor cornerback play.


I'll add a caveat to this. ND can play run or ND can play pass. ND can't do both at the same time.

Saying our LB corps is inexperienced is accurate but incomplete. ND's MLB and best LB Maurice Crum 6-0 225, a junior, was moved inside this year from an OLB slot. He's getting OJT at MLB. I believe he did not play Spring Ball because he was recoving from back surgery over the winter. He's doing well but he'd be doing better if he wasn't seeing games from a different prospective. ND's WLB Travis Thomas 6-0, a Senior was has played 3 games at LB in college. He was a running back right through Spring Ball. His first practice in college at LB was about 7 weeks ago. He's quick but light (he claims 217 but ND's lists him at 207) and another one getting OJT only in this case on the other side of the ball. The SLB is either a Mitchell Thomas 6-3 236, a senior, or Anthony Vernaglia 6-3 233, a junior. Both whom are playing only because no one else has played any better. Our LB corps really had no chemistry as their collectiveness newness doesn't read and react but has to read (with limited experience), think, and react. I think the "think" part makes them play slower than their footspeed.

As a consequence our safeties bolster the LB play, particularly on the run. Our safeties are physical and play the run well. It's a strength but also a weakness. They might well be better LBs than our #2 and #3 LBs but they're safeties on this defense. Against a running team we can overplay the run. Against a passing them they can drop back. But against passing teams ND frequently plays a nickel defense in other than 3rd down situations, a 4-2-5. ND did that against GT and PSU in essense daring them to run. Both did but neither could sustain drives with just the rushing and they played away from their strength by trying to.

ND's starting corners are both converted WRs. (The safeties were a HS QB and a HS WR who played WR as an ND freshman them moved to LB then to S last year). In Willingham's last year this group was coached by a guy with 3 years of college experience at lower levels and it showed. The coaching was upgrade significantly last year but the this converted group of players is still behind the learning curve on working as a cohesive unit. There is more depth of talent with some impressive freshman corners who will improve as the season plays out. Unfortunately ND's season is frontloaded which doesn't permit timely breaking in.

If Stanton is hot, he could have a big day depending on the quality of your receiving corps. If you only have one quality receiver, they can handle him. If they're more like Manningham, Breaston, Arrington, etc. somebody's gonna be open.


Michigan didn't have the best individual WR ND's faced this season but they have the best overall receiving corps, the QB that's played the best game against ND and can hit open receivers downfield, and a bruising rushing game that didn't just break off 4 or 5 yd runs but busted runs twice that distance breaking tackles along the way.

In the first two games ND's offense dominated time of possession limiting ND's defense's time on the field and particularly against PSU a big early lead forced them out of their game plan (like UM did to ND) and the defense largely knew what was coming.
 

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Ive only seen bits of your games so far. What are your strengths/weaknesses on Defense?

I'm not telling...na-na-na-boo-boo....MUAHAHAHA!! Sorry, I'm now going to hold the world ransom for....1 MILLION DOLLARS.

J/K dude. Strengths would have to be on the offensive side of the ball with playmakers there in Quinn, DWalker, Jeff S, and McNight making the big plays. Weaknesses are going to be on D on the edges with the corners and linebackers. D-Line hasn't shown consistent pressure on the QB yet either.
 

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Anyone hate having this game being hyped as the "The Revenge" game or "The Upset" game?

I wish this would be hyped as Stanton vs Quinn, those guys deserve it. And that is what is going to come down to.
 

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Anyone hate having this game being hyped as the "The Revenge" game or "The Upset" game?

I wish this would be hyped as Stanton vs Quinn, those guys deserve it. And that is what is going to come down to.

Like it or not, that's what we see from our side...revenge. You're right about the QB matchup.
 

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That's OK as long as Bubba Smith doesn't line up wearing it!

We don't have a BoB Gladieux to replace starting HB Nick Eddy who was injured before the game, a Coley O'Brien to replace starting QB Terry Hanratty lost in the 1st Q , or a Tim Monty to replace Center George Goeddecke who was lost a couple of plays after Hanratty went down. Eddy and Goeddecke were All-Americans.
 

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To answer the first question, Spartan Spirit, I do not believe we have any real big weaknesses but the ability to bring pressure with our front 4 would be number one in my book and our CB's look in the backfield too much and overall depth. Our strengths are coaching, QB, WR's, TE, OL, Punter. Good luck this weekend. I believe the team that runs the ball better will win this game. Adv. ND. We will see.
 
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Mich State wins Saturday's game by 3....Why you ask?!?!? The Spartans will go/can go up top all game long.....No pass rush + no secondary= Spartans +3
 

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Who's Weiss?

Bet reporter Dave Die will know how to spell it after Saturday.
I get so sick of reporters not doing due dilligence with reporting. How hard is it to spell the guy's name?
 

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I'll add a caveat to this. ND can play run or ND can play pass. ND can't do both at the same time.

Saying our LB corps is inexperienced is accurate but incomplete. ND's MLB and best LB Maurice Crum 6-0 225, a junior, was moved inside this year from an OLB slot. He's getting OJT at MLB. I believe he did not play Spring Ball because he was recoving from back surgery over the winter. He's doing well but he'd be doing better if he wasn't seeing games from a different prospective. ND's WLB Travis Thomas 6-0, a Senior was has played 3 games at LB in college. He was a running back right through Spring Ball. His first practice in college at LB was about 7 weeks ago. He's quick but light (he claims 217 but ND's lists him at 207) and another one getting OJT only in this case on the other side of the ball. The SLB is either a Mitchell Thomas 6-3 236, a senior, or Anthony Vernaglia 6-3 233, a junior. Both whom are playing only because no one else has played any better. Our LB corps really had no chemistry as their collectiveness newness doesn't read and react but has to read (with limited experience), think, and react. I think the "think" part makes them play slower than their footspeed.

As a consequence our safeties bolster the LB play, particularly on the run. Our safeties are physical and play the run well. It's a strength but also a weakness. They might well be better LBs than our #2 and #3 LBs but they're safeties on this defense. Against a running team we can overplay the run. Against a passing them they can drop back. But against passing teams ND frequently plays a nickel defense in other than 3rd down situations, a 4-2-5. ND did that against GT and PSU in essense daring them to run. Both did but neither could sustain drives with just the rushing and they played away from their strength by trying to.

ND's starting corners are both converted WRs. (The safeties were a HS QB and a HS WR who played WR as an ND freshman them moved to LB then to S last year). In Willingham's last year this group was coached by a guy with 3 years of college experience at lower levels and it showed. The coaching was upgrade significantly last year but the this converted group of players is still behind the learning curve on working as a cohesive unit. There is more depth of talent with some impressive freshman corners who will improve as the season plays out. Unfortunately ND's season is frontloaded which doesn't permit timely breaking in.

If Stanton is hot, he could have a big day depending on the quality of your receiving corps. If you only have one quality receiver, they can handle him. If they're more like Manningham, Breaston, Arrington, etc. somebody's gonna be open.


Michigan didn't have the best individual WR ND's faced this season but they have the best overall receiving corps, the QB that's played the best game against ND and can hit open receivers downfield, and a bruising rushing game that didn't just break off 4 or 5 yd runs but busted runs twice that distance breaking tackles along the way.

In the first two games ND's offense dominated time of possession limiting ND's defense's time on the field and particularly against PSU a big early lead forced them out of their game plan (like UM did to ND) and the defense largely knew what was coming.
I pretty much concur 100%.
 
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if we can control statons runs and big plays we will be in good shape
 
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I get so sick of reporters not doing due dilligence with reporting. How hard is it to spell the guy's name?

I hear ya, Svo.
But our own Athletic Dept. is not on the ball either.
This has yet to be rectified.
 
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