[September 16, 2006] #10 Michigan (2-0) at #4 Notre Dame (2-0)

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#10 Michigan Wolverines (2-0) at #4 Notre Dame Fighting Irish (2-0)
Notre Dame Stadium - Notre Dame, IN
September 16, 2006 - 3:30pm EST

How They Fared
Michigan - The #10 ranked Wolverines knocked off Central Michigan 41-17 in Ann Arbor. Mike Hart led the Wolverine attack with 116 yards and 3 touchdowns on 19 carries.

Notre Dame - The #4 Fighting Irish downed #19 Penn State 41-17. Senior QB Brady Quinn threw for 287 yards and 3 touchdowns on 25 of 36 passing. TE John Carlson led the Irish with 6 catches for 98 yards. The Notre defense also played an excellent game.
 
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got to be honest... I called to GT game right, struggle to the end either team can win.... called the Penn St. game right, Irish in a rout....

My gut feeling is Michigan will hand us our first (and maybe only) loss... It just seems the last five or six years or so if the teams are in fairly close comp. then the underdog wins, especially if the favorate is a National Champion contender... also Michigan is vastly underrated this year, they are for real just like us....IMO
 
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This is without a doubt a scary game, either team could easy win. It helps that the game will be played in South Bend. Go Irish!!!
 
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I am definitely worried about this game especially with our run defense.
 

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No need to worry my friends. Notre Dame will win 31-24. They MUST improve on the offensive line, and pass rush though. Charlie Weis will have our boys ready.
 

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The next two weeks will determine the Irish chances at playing in a major BCS bowl game. We have Michigan, which is always a slobberknocker and then we have a revenge game with Michigan State in their house.
 

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Who would you want on your sideline...Charlie Weis or LLoyd Carr????


I think the Irish will take care of business next Saturday in Rockne's house!!!!!
 
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It does not matter who is on which sideline next week....the game will be decided by less than 7 no matter what.
 

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It does not matter who is on which sideline next week....the game will be decided by less than 7 no matter what.

Couldn't disagree more.

1. control the clock
2. no turnovers
3. Brady vs Chad, give me a break

I could care less about what history says, this is today, ND should have rolled UM last year, game really hasn't been close the past 2 years except the final score. Who cares about what history says. Nothing says this game has to be close.

Look for an Irish romp
 

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Couldn't disagree more.

1. control the clock
2. no turnovers
3. Brady vs Chad, give me a break

I could care less about what history says, this is today, ND should have rolled UM last year, game really hasn't been close the past 2 years except the final score. Who cares about what history says. Nothing says this game has to be close.

Look for an Irish romp

agreed! while we have tuned up against quality talent, UM has played scrubs...i really dont see this game that close
 

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Look for an Irish romp

Check the history on this matchup. In the last twenty years only 4 games have been decided by 10 pts or more. Most games are within a 7 pts. It'll be close. Could be an L.
 

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For anyone who thinks this will be a blowout for either team, you have no idea what you're talking about. And I think even Nd fans will concede that last year's game was one that we lost, not one that Nd necessarily won.

Both coordinators have been replaced. And from a purely talent perspective, I still think we have the edge.

I think the game comes down to a very simple factor: Quinn's ability to throw under pressure. In last year's game, Quinn missed many wide open recievers because we were blitzing him (that was our ultra-conservative defense, our new one is much more aggressive). Since our secondary is bad, it makes sense to throw the kitchen sink at Quinn and see if he can respond. The alternative is to have Weis pick you apart, and that won't happen. Heck, it didn't even happen last year. If Quinn can get the ball out to his recievers, then Nd will control the tempo of the game. They will most likely have a lead, and will probably force us to throw more than we want.

But if Quinn fails to deliver under pressure, then we will control the tempo. We will run the ball more and be effective since Nd LBs don't look too sharp. We will control the clock and deny the ball to your offense. This will most likely result in an early lead (14-0 or so), and might lead Quinn to try to accomplish too much, leading to ints and such.

A conservative alternative is that Weis tries to establish the run at the start of the game, but be unsuccessful in that regard since we have excellent LBs. If that happens, the game will be low scoring, with us having a manageable lead going into halftime. Then, the game will be determined by which QB can make the big plays. Both secondaries are suspect, so the recievers will be open. In that case, the game still rests in Quinn's hands, and Henne's. In years past, this has been how the game plays out, with Nd winning because they made fewer mistakes and more plays. And also becuase our mental toughness in these situations against Nd has really been quite troubling.

Whether or not Weis will even try to establish the run will determine how this game plays out. I mean, you know we're going to run the ball, and it's very likely that we'll also attack Quinn a lot.

Another thing to keep in mind is the expectations both teams have going into this game. In the last 5-10 years or so, we have been the favorites, but this clearly won't be the case next week. All analysts will probably pick against us, and the hype will continue for Nd. Under these circumstances, it's really easy for us to play loose (nothing to lose) and Nd to play tight (everything to lose), especially if the game ends up being a slog fest.
 
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ND will win this game by more than a touchdown. ND will control the clock all game and Mich. offense will rarely be on the field. Have a feeling it will look very similar to the Penn St. game with a little more offense from Mich. Big intangible...in Rockne's house. Sorry Mich, we aint the Chippewa's.
 

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I hope every Nd player goes into the game with this arrogance...because it would be great for us.
 

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I hope every Nd player goes into the game with this arrogance...because it would be great for us.

No I don't think our players will be arrogant about it like me. They'll be very confident though, which is bad for UM. Good Luck really, thanks for all your insight. I mean UM fans must be excited, your season finally starts, after your 2 preseason games, UM's kids will finally get hit by someone. Have a nice day!
 

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For anyone who thinks this will be a blowout for either team, you have no idea what you're talking about. And I think even Nd fans will concede that last year's game was one that we lost, not one that Nd necessarily won.

Another thing to keep in mind is the expectations both teams have going into this game. In the last 5-10 years or so, we have been the favorites, but this clearly won't be the case next week. All analysts will probably pick against us, and the hype will continue for Nd. Under these circumstances, it's really easy for us to play loose (nothing to lose) and Nd to play tight (everything to lose), especially if the game ends up being a slog fest.

Wow, so much to digest, all those excuses, let me walk you through this blow by blow.

1. History means nothing in football.
2. Yes last year ND=winners, Mich=losers, No UM TD until 55 minutes into the game, good analysis. Turnovers are part of the game!
3. Your final paragraph is vintage Michigan fan, already making the excuse, "we have nothing to lose" "ND has everything to lose"...... good stuff. Just like a Big 10 fan, "we just want to win the BIG 10" so if we lose to ND no big deal. Keep making excuses to convince yourself your purpose a Michigan fan is worthwhile cause. LOL

Have fun at the Alamo Bowl again
 
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I really expected UM to look different this year. But, they are as predictable as ever. It will be very difficult for ND to be out-coached or out-thought by UM. However, this wlll be a close ballgame ie GT. The PSU atmosphere was on of the greatest I've ever seen yesterday at the stadium........next weekend will be unreal.
 

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mirertobrooks is vintage Irish blindness:

History does matter in football, especially when both teams in question had virtually the same teams playing in last year's game. Ever heard about some teams having your number (like BC against you)? Well, that does matter. You may have noticed my observation about how we always get rattled in our first road game, but I guess you don't see the objectivity here.

I'm not peddling excuses. I'm setting the stage. I'm trying to get the best picture possible about possible matchups and outcomes. If anyone has been excuse mongering, it's been blind Nd fans like you (unlike the good ones who actually understand the game) who've been really inconsistent the last few years.

As for us, 9-3 was NEVER good enough. People were calling for Carr's head after 9-3 seasons (especially 2004, and of course 2005). And if you think we can settle for B10 championships, then you haven't heard exactly why Lloyd Carr's job is on the line.

Most of the posts here are good. I would like for this exchange about each team to continue (and the informed Irish fans are always welcome on Michigan boards).
 

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I really don't like to talk trash, but I sort of felt like you went on quite a pro-Michigan rant there, which is ok, especially on a Michigan site and it's fine here as well, but I felt it was my duty as an Irish fan to shut you down. No disrespect, actually I think Michigan is a great program, and they do things the right way. If we have something in common it's that we both have a burning hatred for Ohio St. also.
I do take offense to you saying I know nothing about football and I'm not a true ND fan. But I'm not going to get defensive. However, I do stand by the fact that history means nothing in football. I just don't think when Chad drops back for his first pass he's going to be thinking about what happened last year, just like I don't think any ND players will be overconfident because of the way they pretty much dominated this game last year. It's a new game and a new season, anything can happen.

If you want some insight on how to beat ND here it is,
1. Force a turnover, ND has not turned the ball over for 3 games.
2. Control the clock, ND is killing people w time of poss, Mich does have some dangerous skill players, UM will have to find a way to get them on the field
3. Pressure BQ, which you already mentioned. This is obvious, and the reality is that no QB likes to be under pressure, I don't like hearing people say "BQ dosen't perform well when being blitzed", face it no QB does.
 
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I don't like Ohio state....I hate the ()*^&^(*&^%*&^)&*&%*T (fill in what you like) skunk bears. VV on this site you can basically say what you want...and I can thusly tell you ....you suck!! I don't agree with anything you said except for the fact that MY NOTRE DAME LINEBACKERS NEED TO PICK IT UP....BY THE WAY, THEY WILL....pray tell what qb does his best when constantly under duress...your qb balowes under even minimal pressure. We will plug up the middle and end Mikey's dreams of grandure...and your lb's are barely above par and untested...you've now played....let's see...ahhh portage northern and loy norrix high schools...good job!!
What I dispise the most is we never seem to actually beat you and you never play like crap. It is the dreaded luck of the irish and horrible refs that beat you......paleeeze
 

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Like most ND-scUM games, this one will be won or lost on the line of scrimmage.

This will be a tough game, but ND has already played a road game and two BCS schools. The toughest opponent Michigan has seen so far was lightning.
 

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"The toughest opponent Michigan has seen so far was lightning."

lol classic, in this situation we are at an advantage with playing more respectable opponents and coming away somewhat injury free.
 

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"The toughest opponent Michigan has seen so far was lightning."

lol classic, in this situation we are at an advantage with playing more respectable opponents and coming away somewhat injury free.

Ace is back practicing.
 
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It will be a close game for the first half, I think ND will come out and score first drive and then it will be a time of possesion game the rest of the half. Im saying 14-10 ND at half. I think Charlie will open it up in the second half and ND will eventually pull away enough to win comfortably. Just my opinion. I respect Michigan a ton this year, I think their going to be a good team, but not good enough this Saturday.
 
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I'm still not nervous. I don't think that's a good thing.

Also, second week in a row that I missed gameday :( ..this 10 AM time is killing me. I know I can watch the 11 AM portion, but the mentality of it starting at 10 throws me off completely.
 
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