George Zimmerman in another gun related incident.

[Bogtrotter07]

But you still haven't addressed the media jumping all over traffic violations....waiting....

Pat, in your heart of hearts, you know if GZ went away, the media would have plenty of other headlines.

And you know that no one from the media goaded this guy into anything he did.


We are talking about rotten impulse control. It would most probably show up on a brain scan. I don't think guys like this should be armed, do you?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

i don't remember the NRA lobbying for more black people to arm themselves for protection. or even the argument that had Martin had a gun himself his death could've been avoided. the NRA wants to arm white people for protection. but the self-arming of blacks leads to genocide. please. race is extremely relevant to this case. especially in Florida.

Brilliant. And true.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Traffic stops are relevant, how?


And it's their fault they threw this guy under the bus before they had any facts in the TM case.


Besides, like with the wife, there is more to these stories. There was no gun. She lied.

He needs to stay outta the news, though. If this latest case is true, then he should be prosecuted.

And he needs to stay away from women. They don't help this situation.

ostrich syndrome? if i was his lawyer i wouldn't advise him to "stay outta the news", i'd advise him to: "STOP BREAKING THE LAW *******!"
just because Casey Anthony hasn't been seen in public and was acquitted, doesn't mean she didn't kill her kid.

 

[GoIrish41]

But you still haven't addressed the media jumping all over traffic violations....waiting....

He killed a kid and got away with it when the whole world was watching. If he farts in an elevator, the media is going to report it. As you so elequantly told me so many times ... welcome to real life.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

He killed a kid and got away with it when the whole world was watching. If he farts in an elevator, the media is going to report it. As you so elequantly told me so many times ... welcome to real life.

exactly. that's the reality. it's obvious to us all that the media is desperately trying to build up his criminal identity with speeding tickets, and it's pretty pathetic. we can all see that and filter it out. even without the tickets, he hasn't been doing himself any favors by misbehaving.

 

[Domina Nostra]

i don't remember the NRA lobbying for more black people to arm themselves for protection. or even the argument that had Martin had a gun himself his death could've been avoided. the NRA wants to arm white people for protection. but the self-arming of blacks leads to genocide. please. race is extremely relevant to this case. especially in Florida.

I don't mean to be rude, but what are you talking about? What do I have to do with the NRA? What does the NRA have to do with anything? I never said race has nothing to do with anything. But simply because you can bring race into an issue doesn't always magically make in THE issue. I looked at the Zimmerman case and self-defense or manslaughter charges seem much more warranted than murder.

You also said, "I don't remember the NRA lobbying for more black people to arm themselves for protection." Have you looked? I know for a fact that they do. They specifically challenged the DC gun control laws. How could they argue for universal application of the 2nd Amendment, and not capture balck people?

Coming Soon to NRA News: Colion Noir - YouTube

You Know You're a GUN CONTROL HYPOCRITE IF.... - YouTube

And what do you mean by "the self-arming of blacks leads to genocide"? I hope you are you saying that the NRA says that?

 

[irishpat183]

i don't remember the NRA lobbying for more black people to arm themselves for protection. or even the argument that had Martin had a gun himself his death could've been avoided. the NRA wants to arm white people for protection. but the self-arming of blacks leads to genocide. please. race is extremely relevant to this case. especially in Florida.

^Dumb. Shall I start posting pics of black NRA members? the NRA doesn't care about the color of citizens that want to arm themselves. you assume that because you've been TRAINED to think like that. I know, it's tough to hear. But it's best I break it too you now.

This case was only about race...when the race pimps got a hold of it. There is white on black crime, white on white crime, black on white crime...etc everyday. Kids get shot up, everyday.

But when they heard "Zimmerman" they thought "white". And whiffed big time.

 

[irishpat183]

I don't mean to be rude, but what are you talking about? What do I have to do with the NRA? What does the NRA have to do with anything? I never said race has nothing to do with anything. But simply because you can bring race into an issue doesn't always magically make in THE issue. I looked at the Zimmerman case and self-defense or manslaughter charges seem much more warranted than murder.

You also said, "I don't remember the NRA lobbying for more black people to arm themselves for protection." Have you looked? I know for a fact that they do. They specifically challenged the DC gun control laws. How could they argue for universal application of the 2nd Amendment, and not capture balck people?

Coming Soon to NRA News: Colion Noir - YouTube

You Know You're a GUN CONTROL HYPOCRITE IF.... - YouTube

And what do you mean by "the self-arming of blacks leads to genocide"? I hope you are you saying that the NRA says that?

Colion is the man!!!!!!

 

[UmphreakDomer]

I don't mean to be rude, but what are you talking about? What do I have to do with the NRA? What does the NRA have to do with anything? I never said race has nothing to do with anything. But simply because you can bring race into an issue doesn't always magically make in THE issue. I looked at the Zimmerman case and self-defense or manslaughter charges seem much more warranted than murder.

You also said, "I don't remember the NRA lobbying for more black people to arm themselves for protection." Have you looked? I know for a fact that they do. They specifically challenged the DC gun control laws. How could they argue for universal application of the 2nd Amendment, and not capture balck people?

Coming Soon to NRA News: Colion Noir - YouTube

You Know You're a GUN CONTROL HYPOCRITE IF.... - YouTube

And what do you mean by "the self-arming of blacks leads to genocide"? I hope you are you saying that the NRA says that?

you brought race in your original post.

but more than anything my problem is not with you, but it stems from the hypocrisy of this whole case. had martin shot and killed zimmerman--even of mixed race but especially if he was white, would have been found guilty.

as this case concluded and people did lose their collective minds via social media--as we even saw on this here website--about gun control or lack there of or we need more or whatever your viewpoint may be. the NRA never went on Fox news and said any of the things i listed. i've never heard any of my "gun-toting" friends say what i said about martin, that he should've been armed. but they were perfectly fine with the excuse zimmerman gave that he felt threatened, even though he was the one doing the stalking! now did martin "come at him". yeah. i would've too. doesn't mean i deserve to be shot over it.

it all boils down to this mother-****er is an idiot with problems--and those problems seem to follow him. i've got news for you...thats not a problem, HE'S the problem. gun control isn't about guns--it's about mental health.

my last comment, no. that is not a position of the NRA, at least not one in the bylaws for membership, but do i believe most of the members think that way? i sure do. the NRA pushes home protection for a reason to have a gun--because the "they" that would come into your home, will have guns. and dont lie, that invisible threat, in your minds eye, has a face and a color. but the NRA cannot possibly lobby for more blacks in the ghetto to have guns to stay safe from drug dealer and crack heads, because the guns that are already present in those sub-par communities are being used on each other--hence: the genocide.

racism is alive and well. especially in the south. and Florida, any further than 8-10 miles inland, from either coast is the south.

do i think you have a problem for wanting to stand up for zimmerman in any way shape or form? yes i do. and anyone else that shares your malignant point of view.

i've posted here for awhile--and I'm not confrontational at all--but--come on! the writing is on the wall with this guy. the same as oj. or lindsay lohan. or any other REPEAT OFFENDER!

is it cliche to say "does someone else have to actually die, before he's taken seriously?" but hypothetically, lets say he shoots his pregnant girlfriend, or ex-wife, or ex-father in law--will that not be enough even then? or will it depend on the facts of the case?
please don't answer right away....really think about this one.

 

[notredomer23]

i don't remember the NRA lobbying for more black people to arm themselves for protection. or even the argument that had Martin had a gun himself his death could've been avoided. the NRA wants to arm white people for protection. but the self-arming of blacks leads to genocide. please. race is extremely relevant to this case. especially in Florida.

I usually stay clear of these threads and after this being one of the first posts I see, I will happily be seeing my way out. Oh. My.

 

[irishpat183]

He killed a kid and got away with it when the whole world was watching. If he farts in an elevator, the media is going to report it. As you so elequantly told me so many times ... welcome to real life.

exactly. that's the reality. it's obvious to us all that the media is desperately trying to build up his criminal identity with speeding tickets, and it's pretty pathetic. we can all see that and filter it out. even without the tickets, he hasn't been doing himself any favors by misbehaving.

He got away with self defense? How does that work in your world?


But agreed on the other points. The dude is a moron. I'm just pointing out that I don't need to hear about GZ being pulled over for speeding or even having fights with his girlfriend. Get the fvck outta town and go away.

Of course, I'd love to say the same about the Miley cyrus's of the world...but this is our MSM.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

^Dumb. Shall I start posting pics of black NRA members? the NRA doesn't care about the color of citizens that want to arm themselves. you assume that because you've been TRAINED to think like that. I know, it's tough to hear. But it's best I break it too you now.

This case was only about race...when the race pimps got a hold of it. There is white on black crime, white on white crime, black on white crime...etc everyday. Kids get shot up, everyday.

But when they heard "Zimmerman" they thought "white". And whiffed big time.

i think you are a very angry person--but I'm not your enemy.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Daily Kos: Audio of Zimmerman 911 calls. Judge says no weapons while out on bond.

 

[irishpat183]

you brought race in your original post.

but more than anything my problem is not with you, but it stems from the hypocrisy of this whole case. had martin shot and killed zimmerman--even of mixed race but especially if he was white, would have been found guilty.

Assumption. I bet I can find 100's of articles of white on black crime in which the person is found guilty and vice-versa. Come on.


as this case concluded and people did lose their collective minds via social media--as we even saw on this here website--about gun control or lack there of or we need more or whatever your viewpoint may be. the NRA never went on Fox news and said any of the things i listed. i've never heard any of my "gun-toting" friends say what i said about martin, that he should've been armed. but they were perfectly fine with the excuse zimmerman gave that he felt threatened, even though he was the one doing the stalking! now did martin "come at him". yeah. i would've too. doesn't mean i deserve to be shot over it.

Martin was 17...he can't carry a gun legally. You must be 21 in the state of FL. You lose there as well.

it all boils down to this mother-****er is an idiot with problems--and those problems seem to follow him. i've got news for you...thats not a problem, HE'S the problem. gun control isn't about guns--it's about mental health.

I agree GZ is a moron. But he's not guilty of murder.

my last comment, no. that is not a position of the NRA, at least not one in the bylaws for membership, but do i believe most of the members think that way? i sure do. the NRA pushes home protection for a reason to have a gun--because the "they" that would come into your home, will have guns. and dont lie, that invisible threat, in your minds eye, has a face and a color. but the NRA cannot possibly lobby for more blacks in the ghetto to have guns to stay safe from drug dealer and crack heads, because the guns that are already present in those sub-par communities are being used on each other--hence: the genocide.

You mean, criminals? And no, a criminal can be any color. Again, you assume. Which makes your argument irrelevant. And don't tell me you're one of those "genocide" types...sheesh. The MAN is out to get me!!!! Guess what? Fast food is out to kill us all.

racism is alive and well. especially in the south. and Florida, any further than 8-10 miles inland, from either coast is the south.

do i think you have a problem for wanting to stand up for zimmerman in any way shape or form? yes i do. and anyone else that shares your malignant point of view.

i've posted here for awhile--and I'm not confrontational at all--but--come on! the writing is on the wall with this guy. the same as oj. or lindsay lohan. or any other REPEAT OFFENDER!

is it cliche to say "does someone else have to actually die, before he's taken seriously?" but hypothetically, lets say he shoots his pregnant girlfriend, or ex-wife, or ex-father in law--will that not be enough even then? or will it depend on the facts of the case?
please don't answer right away....really think about this one.

It's not so much standing up for GZ, than dismissing ignorance when it comes to the facts. And why do people like you ALWAYS point out that "racism is alive and well...especially in the south"?? What the hell difference does that make? I mean, what are you trying to prove by posting that comment? It's just beating the dead horse. Yes, there are racist out there...guess what!?!?!? Some are even minorities!!! OHHHH MYYY!!!!

 

[irishpat183]

i think you are a very angry person--but I'm not your enemy.

?

 

[irishpat183]

Pat, in your heart of hearts, you know if GZ went away, the media would have plenty of other headlines.

And you know that no one from the media goaded this guy into anything he did.


We are talking about rotten impulse control. It would most probably show up on a brain scan. I don't think guys like this should be armed, do you?

If it turns out he didn't break any laws...I have no problem with him having weapons. Same as anyone else. It's HIS RIGHT.

If you don't want guns, don't buy one.


But if he's found "unstable" (which may be the case here) then take away his firearms.

 

[Domina Nostra]

is it cliche to say "does someone else have to actually die, before he's taken seriously?" but hypothetically, lets say he shoots his pregnant girlfriend, or ex-wife, or ex-father in law--will that not be enough even then? or will it depend on the facts of the case?
please don't answer right away....really think about this one.

Huh? Enough for what? Yes, it will depend on the facts of the case!!!!

I like the saying, "If you walk down trouble street, you are going to find trouble." I agree that GZ seems like trouble at this point. I agree that I would steer clear of him and would think anyone that did not is pretty naive--assuming the media reports are accurate (they weren't last time). But I am still not sure what came first, though. He doesn't have a long history of violence. It all seems to have come after the shooting. I think it is very possible that the events have made him what he appears to be: paranoid. He was not raising red flags before this.

But it's obviously a lot harder to argue that you accidentally shot your girlfriend in self-defense, as opposed to a stranger who was beating your face (justified or not). Oscar Pistorius is showing us how difficult that defense is.

There are a lot of teenage punks where the writing is on the wall as well. What do you propose we do?

 

[A Pac]

A couple things jump out. First, guy might be the dumbest human being on the planet. You were given a gift in July and are now doing everything to screw it up. Second, he also has some major psychological issues that he needs help with. He needs to see a professional before he kills someone... Again.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

A couple things jump out. First, guy might be the dumbest human being on the planet. You were given a gift in July and are now doing everything to screw it up...

Being found not guilty by a jury, when the state fails to satisfy its burden at trial, is not a "gift". It's a civil right.

 

[A Pac]

Being found not guilty by a jury, when the state fails to satisfy its burden at trial, is not a "gift". It's a civil right.

I was referring to a second chance being the gift that he received.

 

[Redbar]

Traffic stops are relevant, how?


And it's their fault they threw this guy under the bus before they had any facts in the TM case.


Besides, like with the wife, there is more to these stories. There was no gun. She lied.

He needs to stay outta the news, though. If this latest case is true, then he should be prosecuted.

And he needs to stay away from women. They don't help this situation.

Not true. I will repost a post I made earlier in response to this contention.

As I understand things, she did not back away from her statement that he threatened them with a gun, she said, "she did not see the gun," there is a difference. She said,"He's in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun, and he's saying, 'Step closer.' He's just threatening all of us with his firearm," she said. Further, the cops did not find a gun, but they did not search his car because he could lawfully have a gun there. That doesn't mean there was no threatening with a gun.

I agree with most that at this point there is nothing here, but I also believe Mr. Zimmerman is very good at staying just on his side of the law.

This time he may not be able to claim he was on his side of the law. I wonder if it crossed his mind that her being able to tell her version would be a problem this time.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I was referring to a second chance being the gift that he received.

Right. He never spent his "first chance". He was found not guilty. According to the law what he did in that incident was not a crime.

Now OJ on the other hand -- that's different.

 

[irishpat183]

Not true. I will repost a post I made earlier in response to this contention.

As I understand things, she did not back away from her statement that he threatened them with a gun, she said, "she did not see the gun," there is a difference. She said,"He's in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun, and he's saying, 'Step closer.' He's just threatening all of us with his firearm," she said. Further, the cops did not find a gun, but they did not search his car because he could lawfully have a gun there. That doesn't mean there was no threatening with a gun.

I agree with most that at this point there is nothing here, but I also believe Mr. Zimmerman is very good at staying just on his side of the law.

This time he may not be able to claim he was on his side of the law. I wonder if it crossed his mind that her being able to tell her version would be a problem this time.

Good god. couldn't find the gun, didn't see one....but she says he threatened her with one?

Gimmie a break. I'd love to be his defense in that trial.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If it turns out he didn't break any laws...I have no problem with him having weapons. Same as anyone else. It's HIS RIGHT.

If you don't want guns, don't buy one.


But if he's found "unstable" (which may be the case here) then take away his firearms.

Here is the thing, when you get stopped in traffic, you get a breathalyzer. Use your gun in a "chargeable" situation, or take a life, get an analysis. That is what happens if you are a cop, isn't it?

Most self-respecting gun owners would agree with that, wouldn't you? Because like me I still would rather not have to shoot a crazy. Almost everyone would agree with that except the gun lobby. Because the majority of the gun lobby is the manufacturers, and they are already having problems keeping their sales numbers up. Eliminating 20% of the ownership base would be awful.

Like when all the aftermarket manufacturers went to stainless steel mufflers, three pieces, popped together with nothing, cheaper than hell to make, but the companies that made them almost all went under, because they never wore out. Or, it was like the high powered consultant that came in for the vinegar manufacturer. To sell more? Just make the little hole in the top bigger around!

I maintain it is more than just racism (a big part.) It is racism and money.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

^Not sure if it's related, but it's fairly common knowledge that in metro areas, if you want the cops to come soon, you have to claim that someone has a gun. Some areas even have rules that they have to give it high priority.

 

[irishpat183]

Here is the thing, when you get stopped in traffic, you get a breathalyzer. Use your gun in a "chargeable" situation, or take a life, get an analysis. That is what happens if you are a cop, isn't it?

Most self-respecting gun owners would agree with that, wouldn't you? Because like me I still would rather not have to shoot a crazy. Almost everyone would agree with that except the gun lobby. Because the majority of the gun lobby is the manufacturers, and they are already having problems keeping their sales numbers up. Eliminating 20% of the ownership base would be awful.

Like when all the aftermarket manufacturers went to stainless steel mufflers, three pieces, popped together with nothing, cheaper than hell to make, but the companies that made them almost all went under, because they never wore out. Or, it was like the high powered consultant that came in for the vinegar manufacturer. To sell more? Just make the little hole in the top bigger around!

I maintain it is more than just racism (a big part.) It is racism and money.

What rock are you living under? gun sales are through the ****ing roof. Mass shootings and gun control talk has done them a favor, if anything.


Explain to me the racism aspect...I'd love to hear it.

 

[Redbar]

Good god. couldn't find the gun, didn't see one....but she says he threatened her with one?

Gimmie a break. I'd love to be his defense in that trial.

I'm not arguing just to argue here Pat, you said, she lied there was no gun. She, his estranged wife, who knows he carries a gun says he is sitting in his car with his hand out of view, presumably on his firearm telling them to "take a step closer". In my book that is threatening with a firearm, would love to know what Emcee or Irish Houstonian, or some other attorney thinks about that.
I do know this, if TM or anyone reaches in their hoodie, jeans or khaki's in the heat of a fight and threatens the other party by insinuating they will brandish a weapon, you me and everybody else would call self defense if someone shot that person. I do not think you have to wait until someone actually pulls it out or points it at you.

 

[Domina Nostra]

What rock are you living under? gun sales are through the ****ing roof. Mass shootings and gun control talk has done them a favor, if anything.


Explain to me the racism aspect...I'd love to hear it.

Nothing helps the gun manufacturers like a politician threatening to restrict guns.

Barack Obama, Gun Salesman of the Year - Bloomberg

Obama's gun control efforts boost firearm sales

I'm not arguing just to argue here Pat, you said, she lied there was no gun. She, his estranged wife, who knows he carries a gun says he is sitting in his car with his hand out of view, presumably on his firearm telling them to "take a step closer". In my book that is threatening with a firearm, would love to know what Emcee or Irish Houstonian, or some other attorney thinks about that.

Since he didn't actually threaten her with a gun, alll of that is classic circumstantial evidence. It would be up to a jury to decide if all of that added up, beyond a reasonable doubt, to a threat with a gun. Personally, I would not want their to be a presumption that what you described was threatening with a firearm, but it certainly may have been, depending on all the surrounding circumstances.

 

[Irish Insanity]

When I read one of the many articles covering his current run in with the law it mentioned his current divorce, which I believe his wife mentioned in the previous situation, but it also mentioned that she stated she doesn't believe he is innocent in the Martin case. Then again, we've already debated that.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm not arguing just to argue here Pat, you said, she lied there was no gun.

Well now I'm here... what do you want to argue about???