[NFL] vBook: Patriots vs Panthers

[JadeBrecks]

*Bet vbucks*

Patriots vs Panthers

8:30 PM ET, November 18, 2013
Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC
Coverage: ESPN

Favorite: Panthers -3.5
Over/Under: 47.5
Moneylines: Patriots +130 Panthers -150

Using Betus.com

Good Betting and Good Luck!

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Is Tolbert really the Panthers best option inside the 10? That dude has poached me hard.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Not currently on the vbook, but I'd bet Talib gets ejected tonight.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

KeWaan Short beasting it in the NFL.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I imagine Ridley held onto his books at L$U similar to the way he's holding the rock now. In other words, not very tight.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This Carolina defense reminds me of Notre Dame's defense last year.

Great front 7.
One of the best MLB around.
Average secondary that looks good due to the front 7.
Also a bend, but don't break defense that makes it tough for opponents to score TDs.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Did anyone actually think the Pats werent going to complete that 4th and 10? So dumb. Freakin Panthers -3.5!!!!! damn it!!!!!

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Thats a ****** ****in call. it was over his head.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Thats a ****** ****in call. it was over his head.

Haha maybe not

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

This play decides my weekend plans.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Dude you have got to be ****in kidding me. These ******* refs.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Dude you have got to be ****in kidding me. These ******* refs.

Nevermind. What a sissy ref for even throwing that flag.

Haha Brady letting the ref hear it. Well, guess my weekend is looking good.

Guess I was having a convo with myself haha.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I don't want to pay. That game was clearly not on the level. ****ing ******* ref picking up that flag. I hope he dies in a car accident on the way home from the game and his cat starves to death. Piece of ****.

Note: No, I don't feel bad saying that. Refs aren't real people with souls so **** him and everyone he loves.

 

[KPENN]

BS. I want my vbucks back.

 

[KPENN]

But seriously glad the panthers won. Had them in my pick pool and them winning won me the week.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Seeing Tom Brady so butthurt just makes my day. I love it. Chewing out the refs running off the field and through the tunnel...cmon man. Good or bad call just man up go shake the other teams hand and leave

 

[Rhode Irish]

Seeing Tom Brady so butthurt just makes my day. I love it. Chewing out the refs running off the field and through the tunnel...cmon man. Good or bad call just man up go shake the other teams hand and leave

What? Yeah, if the refs took the game from you at the end you wouldn't ask for an explanation?

Also, did you see his press conference? Way too much class. I admit that I am probably the worst loser in the history of life, but if I was him this would be my press conference:

That ref obviously deserves to be fired, and hopefully loses his home and has to live outside. And someday, if I find him living under a bridge and washing windshields at red lights for spare change, I will run him over with my Range Rover.

 

[yankeehater]

On the final play, the Patriots decline the pass interference, decline the face guarding and accept the holding penalty.

I just have one question, "would they have picked up that flag in the 1st quarter?"

 

[FearTheBeard]

What? Yeah, if the refs took the game from you at the end you wouldn't ask for an explanation?

Also, did you see his press conference? Way too much class. I admit that I am probably the worst loser in the history of life, but if I was him this would be my press conference:

I didnt see the press conference. But theres a difference between asking an explanation and doing what he did. You cant say the refs took the game from them, it would have gave them one last opportunity to MAYBE win. I think its pass interference, but you cant leave the game up to that one call. There were many other opportunities to convert on a third down or anywhere else in the game. If a game is decided on a refs judgement call then thats on the team for being in that situation. Give the ref a break man it wasnt the super bowl im sure there were many other bad calls in the game

 

[Rhode Irish]

Yeah, the biggest thing was the 3rd & 1 on the previous drive they did the Chuck Martin thing of throwing a low percentage pass to the endzone instead of pounding it up the middle for the first down. The 3rd down playcalling I've seen at all levels of football this fall has been head scratching.

 

[NDPhilly]

Ref should have said it was uncatchable wheat hey picked the flag up.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Ref should have said it was uncatchable wheat hey picked the flag up.

Yeah, except it wasn't uncatchable at all. The only reason it appeared uncatchable is because Gronkowski was grabbed and pulled five yards away from the play. Had he not been interfered with and had stopped and came back toward the ball from the spot where Kuechly first grabbed him, it would have hit him in the chest.

I get if the ball was picked off by a linebacker at the 10 yard line or something you would say that the interference was meaningless because the ball never got down the field to him, but in this case it was a coward ref not wanting to make the right call in that stadium. All of the analysts and referees agree that it should have been a call. Only the geriatric former ref on ESPN who appears to have precisely zero marbles left thought it was the right no-call.

 

[yankeehater]

Ref should have said it was uncatchable wheat hey picked the flag up.

That is what the head of refs or whomever ESPN goes to on their telecast said. After the game though, the telecast guys said that is for pass interference and not holding to which he agreed and said that is what should have been called. It was funny that they led him into that statement.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Seeing Tom Brady so butthurt just makes my day. I love it. Chewing out the refs running off the field and through the tunnel...cmon man. Good or bad call just man up go shake the other teams hand and leave

What do you think this is, Pee Wee football where everyone gets a participation trophy? You think the coach is taking them out for ice cream after the game for a good effort? Your post is weak. He's pissed and rightfully so. I dare you to find 1 credible interview w a former player or coach from after that game that agrees w them picking up the flag. F***ing Weak is right. That ref shoud be suspended.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I didnt see the press conference. But theres a difference between asking an explanation and doing what he did. You cant say the refs took the game from them, it would have gave them one last opportunity to MAYBE win. I think its pass interference, but you cant leave the game up to that one call. There were many other opportunities to convert on a third down or anywhere else in the game. If a game is decided on a refs judgement call then thats on the team for being in that situation. Give the ref a break man it wasnt the super bowl im sure there were many other bad calls in the game

Who is even talking about other plays in the game, they have no connection to this one. The ref blew this call. Should have been an untimned down from the 1 w the game on the line.

 

[IrishLax]

Was that actually a bad call? I was a bit out of it/half asleep when it happened, but it seemed reasonable to me that if the patch was uncatchable due to an underthrow they would wipe out PI.

I could understand calling holding or illegal contact though.

EDIT: upon review, Gronk definitely could've come back towards the ball. My question is why does he make literally zero effort to fight through and make a play? He is completely lackadaisical and gives up when he sees that it's overthrown... and let's his momentum take him further and further away from the ball. He really blew it on that play, easily could've sold it harder.

 

[nlroma1o]

Yeah, except it wasn't uncatchable at all. The only reason it appeared uncatchable is because Gronkowski was grabbed and pulled five yards away from the play. Had he not been interfered with and had stopped and came back toward the ball from the spot where Kuechly first grabbed him, it would have hit him in the chest.
I get if the ball was picked off by a linebacker at the 10 yard line or something you would say that the interference was meaningless because the ball never got down the field to him, but in this case it was a coward ref not wanting to make the right call in that stadium. All of the analysts and referees agree that it should have been a call. Only the geriatric former ref on ESPN who appears to have precisely zero marbles left thought it was the right no-call.

As a Jets fan it literally KILLS me to say this... but i agree with you... Gronk would have absolutely been able to atleast try and catch that ball had he not be bear hugged and carried to the back of the endzone. Would he have caught the ball? Maybe, maybe not. But he definetly would have been able to make a play on the ball.

Thats one of the most BULL CRAPPPPPPP calls i have seen. Absolutely atrocious. The officials are getting worse and worse.

But since the refs blew the call and the pats lost, I will take this time to say Suck it!!! Jets babayyy. Coming back strong next week!!

 

[irishfan]

Was that actually a bad call? I was a bit out of it/half asleep when it happened, but it seemed reasonable to me that if the patch was uncatchable due to an underthrow they would wipe out PI.

I could understand calling holding or illegal contact though.

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I can't insert gifs cause I suck (feel free to insert it if anyone feels like it), and I'm biased, but I think it was PI.

If Keuchly weren't involved (and committing PI), I think Gronk makes a good play on this ball personally. I've seen him pretty much do the impossible with catches, and while this would have been a tough one, I think you've got to make the call here.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I wouldnt put it past Belichick and Brady to have somehow drawn that play up to enduce PI to get the ball on the 1 yard line. I mean why would Brady throw a ball intended for a 6'6'' target low and left. Unless he completely lost sight of Lester and was trying to allow Gronk make a play.

Whatever.