irishpat183
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LOL at this thread......
That is all.
That is all.
Roll Call: Isn't worried at all.
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irishpat183
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2 things....
Carlo and Fox are not very good. They're just not. Are they going to make a play every blue moon? Sure, every dog has his day...but no consistancy and very poor technique. Carlo has lead feet and I've seen Fox wiff too many tackles and take bad angles.
Jaylon, as awesome as I think and many of us think he's going to be, is a freshman. Teams are going to throw everything at him and he's going to make mistakes. As big as a stud as you think he is...we can't rely on him.
We're gonna be hurting this year at LB. It is what it is. What scares me more than that, is it seems that our secondary isn't any good either. Looks like they benefitted tremendously from our dominant front last year....Now we're seeing just how good they really are. I'm hoping this isn't the case....We'll see with OU, AZ state and Stanford.
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This. Hopefully he gets hurt or something (nothing serious) and misses our game. Because he's ridiculously good if you go watch his film.
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I just can't help it....LOL
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It's already in my rearview mirror.
Eff it, who am I kidding? THIS LOSS SUCKED!!!!!!!! The Temple issues on defense showed themselves in this game. Gotta get that fixed or ASU, Stanford, OK, BYU, etc are going to have their ways with us.
Having said that, I'm with you Jug in that this season can definitely still be salvaged. Starts with two (seemingly) easy games. Win those HANDILY (no 'saving sh!t for the next game) - pound Purdue and pound them some more and get some confidence - and all of a sudden you are 3-1 heading into the OU home game with a chance to get back in the top 15. Handle business there and you are back in the spotlight at 4-1 with a game against a ranked team at an awesome venue.
As a fan, that's what I want at this point. Can't wait for Saturday night...
Eff it, who am I kidding? THIS LOSS SUCKED!!!!!!!! The Temple issues on defense showed themselves in this game. Gotta get that fixed or ASU, Stanford, OK, BYU, etc are going to have their ways with us.
Having said that, I'm with you Jug in that this season can definitely still be salvaged. Starts with two (seemingly) easy games. Win those HANDILY (no 'saving sh!t for the next game) - pound Purdue and pound them some more and get some confidence - and all of a sudden you are 3-1 heading into the OU home game with a chance to get back in the top 15. Handle business there and you are back in the spotlight at 4-1 with a game against a ranked team at an awesome venue.
As a fan, that's what I want at this point. Can't wait for Saturday night...
Agree with the Carlo and Fox and overall LB statements. Carlo and Fox will make a few plays every game where you think "maybe he's not that bad..." and then the rest of the game shows otherwise. They are just far too slow to make up for bad instincts. I felt like Councell, Grace and Smith were the best players on defense against UM as they were consistently around plays and showed the athleticism we had last year. They need to play more and less Carlo/Fox. I realize Councell plays OLB but he isn't listed much smaller than the other two, and based on observation, Carlo and Fox have no idea where they need to be anyway, so the whole "he don't know the position" thing shouldn't matter a whole lot.
Shembo needs to start showing up. As much as people have been harping on Tuitt/Nix/Day, Shembo has done absolutely nothing in two weeks to make defenses account for him. The official stats show him as having 6 QBH...I call BS. It's not a hurry when the QB still gets the throw off he wants just because you're in the backfield. Maybe someone needs to steal his bikeseat.
Jackson/Farley were exposed against Alabama and everyone saw it except Diaco/Kelly apparently. Temple ran the same double move play 'Bama did and had a guy wide open because they both bite. Fortunately it was a Temple WR or it would have been an easy 6.
From what I've seen, the offense has shown itself more than capable of scoring points (unlike last year). The defense needs to start making plays on 3rd down to get off the field.
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If there was a good week to have a loss, this one was it.
First, it's early, and we're still in the Top 25.
Second, Florida, Texas, SoCal and SoCarolina all got upset too.
First, it's early, and we're still in the Top 25.
Second, Florida, Texas, SoCal and SoCarolina all got upset too.
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If we pull out the requisite wins and go to a BCS bowl, we'd get smoked. Most of the teams in the BCS bowls will have mobile QBs.
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I'm with you there, I see 4-1 heading into the asu game, which i will be at btw!
mich is in my rearview tho. it sucked immediately after and i sulked a little on sunday. but pro football and beer got me through it. lol.
Lets go beat purdue and get back on track!
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lets not get ahead of ourselves. we will get better as a team as the season goes on.
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Not worried, losing sucks but its completely unrealistic to go undefeated every year....unless you're Alabama, those guys expect it every year. Im still saying 10-2
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Not necessarily. What if we get to play a crappy Big 12 team with no D? Or a Big Ten team like a Wisconsin or something? There's a lot of teams we could beat.
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ND fans need to take a step back and watch the highlights from the Michigan game, did ND play great? No but they also didnt play nearly as bad as what is being said.
Can we all agree on this? Notre Dame is going to absolutely crush Purdue
Can we all agree on this? Notre Dame is going to absolutely crush Purdue
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I say the loss helps us. Our glass is definitely half full. We(the team and coaches) learned a lot in that game about exactly where we stand talent wise and the adjustments will be made. We lost, but we could have won. The loss also will put us into a bowl game we have a much better shot at winning this year. Winning all our games last year was awesome and lucky as hell. Onward boys! GO IRISH!
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I was fuming during the game, but as soon as it ended I was pretty calm. I'm upset our defense played like it did. if the defense gets two more stops on the night, which can include the B-Jax INT we can win that game. The defense needs some work like others said, but we can build on this. Beat Purdue and get a win streak going.
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I can't believe how people are discounting Oklahoma and MSU, but acting like ASU is this daunting task. ASU hasn't done anything encouraging since 2007 (started 8-0, then got throttled by Oregon and USC), and are notorious for underachieving in ways that would make ND and Oklahoma blush.
I'm not saying the ASU game isn't a legitimate cause for concern, but most people seem to be trumping it up because it sounds sexier to do that than talk about MSU or Oklahoma.
I'm not saying the ASU game isn't a legitimate cause for concern, but most people seem to be trumping it up because it sounds sexier to do that than talk about MSU or Oklahoma.
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I'm definitely in for the 'this year isn't over' feeling. What I don't understand is the amount of people that predicted a 3 maybe even 4 loss season, and now the ceiling is falling. It was one loss, and we didn't look horrible (I don't think), and we played a really good team. I hate this loss more than most as I live in Michigan and are surrounded by their dumb *** fans. If there is one game on our schedule yearly that I just die if we lose, this is it.
We all knew, or should have, that our D shaped this team to what it was last year, and that we would be a step behind that this year. The loss sucks, but this team is pretty much what I thought it would be.
We all knew, or should have, that our D shaped this team to what it was last year, and that we would be a step behind that this year. The loss sucks, but this team is pretty much what I thought it would be.
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ASU vs. Wisconsin this week will be a very interesting game.
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Kelly said, back in Fall Camp, that he was really impressed and happy with Amir's ability to run between the tackles. It's not odd at all. Amir looked very comfortable running inside. I would like to see more of that.
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I'm on board for moving forward. Losing to Michigan anytime sucks, but there were some positives. It's clear now that our defense isn't as good as last season (not shocking). We can't expect to be in the NC game every season, we don't have an SEC budget to pay players who never go to class. Tommy has played as well as we can home, we have been able to run the ball if the coaching staff actually wants to. OL is great so far. There are some growing pains, but I don't see this team folding after a loss. Bring on Purdue (and hopefully a blowout).
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See, I'm not sure if it's that we CAN'T stop mobile QBs or DIDN'T stop a mobile QB. It seemed like we had contain a number of times, then Shembo, e.g., would break inside a fraction early, allowing Gardner to get outside. That was not my recollection of how they handled Robinson last year. Sure, Gardner can outrun Nix to the corner, but that's not where your contain should come from, of course. My point is, or a question, really, is it that we don't have the personnel to contain? Or is it that we weren't thoroughly coached? Or is it that guys just mis-executed a good plan to stop such mobile QBs? The answer matters because it tells us how to fix the problem and how soon it can be fixed.
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I'm pretty confident we have the players and the coaches to win any game against any type of offense. But coaching can only take you so far and then its up to the players to make the plays.
D made some mistakes with bad angles and letting the ball get outside of them.
O had a costly turnover.
and sometimes the other team just plays much better. mich out played us for the entire game and we still had chances to get back into it and didn't. tip of the cap to them and we go back to work now.
I don't think that michigan is better than we are, they played better saturday though.
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Can we slow down with the ASU worry? They beat Sacramento State who lost 24-0 to San Jose State this year and finished 8-5 in 1-AA last season. Their defense isn't exactly stout either. If ND has trouble against ASU then it's going to be a long year.
Gardner is the best QB that ND will face this season and they did a decent job. BYU's QB doesn't have a great arm and is mostly run 1st. Hogan is probably 2nd best. The defense should be better against the rest of the schedule. Anything less then 9 wins is a disappointment to me.
ASU schedule last year:
W - Northern Arizona (1-AA: 8-3)
W - Illinois (2-10)
L - Missouri (5-7)
W - Utah (5-7)
W - Cal (3-9)
W - Colorado (1-11)
L - Oregon (12-1)
L - UCLA (9-5)
L - Oregon State (9-4)
L - USC (7-6)
W - Washington State (3-9)
W - Arizona (8-5)
W - Navy
Gardner is the best QB that ND will face this season and they did a decent job. BYU's QB doesn't have a great arm and is mostly run 1st. Hogan is probably 2nd best. The defense should be better against the rest of the schedule. Anything less then 9 wins is a disappointment to me.
ASU schedule last year:
W - Northern Arizona (1-AA: 8-3)
W - Illinois (2-10)
L - Missouri (5-7)
W - Utah (5-7)
W - Cal (3-9)
W - Colorado (1-11)
L - Oregon (12-1)
L - UCLA (9-5)
L - Oregon State (9-4)
L - USC (7-6)
W - Washington State (3-9)
W - Arizona (8-5)
W - Navy
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I agree we shouldn't worry about Arizona State at this juncture, but the schedule from last year doesn't say much about this year.
Last year we won all our regular season games. We have lost more than that in the first two games of this season. Every year teams are different, ours is, just like theirs is. Seasons past have little to no affect on the outcome of a game. Just pointing that out. Like I said I agree we shouldn't worry about ASU either.
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We need ASU to roll Wisconsin this week, and remain undefeated until we face them. Routing hard for them over my Native Badgers this week.