That would make for quite an eclectic set of "knowledge."
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That would make for quite an eclectic set of "knowledge."
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I think this is generally dead-on. There was a short period around WWII when the country really coalesced around national defense and defeating fascism and communism. People really strove for fair, balanced, and accurate/disinterested reporting. This works when most people have the same goals, but it quickly degraded as time wore on and the country began splitting again into ideological factions again.
The people who inherited these mainstream, universally respected sources slid into their own ideologies but insisted that they still represented a moderate, middle-of-the-road, responsible position. This just wasn't true but they wouldn't admit it. They had an agenda, but they were arrogant enough--and their education was consistently slanted enough--that they seemed to assume that their perspective was just right and that everyone else are irresponsible, deluded, or regressive fools. (This is the attitude that the very funny, but clearly ideological faux-anchors of Comedy Central carry-on... if you don't think JS is pushing a liberal agenda, you're fooling yourself).
In the kind of environment we have, its probably better to have different news sources with clear biases bringing news stories forward: like Fox, MSNBC, Drudge, Huffington, etc. One of the most powerful tools a news source has is NOT reporting on a story (like the Philadelphia infanticide story). Once a story is brought into the light, the facts tend to emerge.
As far as the slant and institutional bias in education and media... its strange to me that the same people who are so comfortable lecturing and suing businesses for shutting the door on certain people and only hiring a certain type of person, deny the possibility that the same thing could even HYPOTHETICALLy be going on in the academy or the newsroom.
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I had a nice chat with someone answering the phones in Washington for Rob Portman, who I believe was his son, a newly discharged Marine vet. Too bad you don't take credit for Rob; anyone who employs a youngster of this quality can't be all bad. Last young person you all would know that impressed me this much (other than NDDomer, and Grahambo) was Corey Robinson.
Please define what you call conservative. Is it other than Tea Party? Because many of them and Michelle Backman and Sarah Palin (who I always thought of as the poster children [pinups?] of modern conservatism, always go on about John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.
These guys were really liberal to the point of radical! Adams was the guy whose writings and actions [directly] led to public defenders, Miranda warning, and close tabs on habeas corpus, and Jefferson broke with every dictum of wealth and power, in framing his Declaration of Independence based upon the teachings of what he found to be the greatest moral code of all times; the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Jefferson was the eighteenth century dog of the landed gentry, and revolutionary in his treatment of all classes of people through the law, as a writer and a legislator. Remember he overturned the colonies equivalent of the Irish Penal Laws, on the books in Virginia, until he rewrote them.
If you want to know how draconian, and pervasive Va's laws were, it turns out that there are a hell of a lot more of Irish descent in the south than anyone ever thought. The O'Brien's became the Osborne's, so to speak. Part was to escape identity because of indentured servitude, but much was a result of these early laws that legislated religious identity.
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I want to know what he says, but why wait until Monday, if it is so important, except to get more viewers (what the heck is with a videotaped radio show anyway?) on Monday?
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Bogs, one of the things that has always enraged me about the tea party is that these crazies identify themselves with our forefathers, most of whom would roll over in their graves if they were aware of what they are being associated with.
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Thank you.
I have noted with amazement for years now, how people who have basically, NOTHING, espouse a what they think is a viable philosophy created by those that have, ALL THE WEALTH, which is really a dogma based upon, LIES, and ILLOGIC, that will do nothing more that guarantee those people never attain anything more than what they have, IF NOT INDEED LOSE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE.
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Righttttt, as opposed to so many liberals who would call them racists, sexist, classist, homophobic elitists and run them out of town.
Well I mean they were racist and sexist, right? Now that doesn't change the fact that they did some great things but like many "great men" throughout history they were not the knights in shining armor or guys in white hats the way we so often like to imagine. Anyhow, seems to me that people too often want things to easily be divided into a comfortable mix of the before mentioned good guys and "dastardly villains".
...yeah but do you think Glenn Beck is a horses ***?
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Yes. Yes I do.
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They have gone out of their minds ever since a Black president moved into the White House. They have espoused policies that would force women to undergo unnecessary medical procedures to be able to have an abortion (because they want small government). They have fought for years for the constitution to be re-written to state that marriage is between one man and one woman (even though they are defenders of states' rights). They irrationally defend taxes for the ultra-wealthy at the same time that they are trying to get rid of the safety net for the poor.
They are racists, sexists, classist, homophobic elitists.
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I don't group Bill O'Reilly in with them. To me he's opinionated, but he actually thinks for himself and I think he is genuine. Plus he disagrees with the GOP from time to time. He's soooo much better than Hannity.
As for The Five, I like it. The Greg Gutfeld is great (Red Eye is amazing), and Dana Perino is fantastic. I can't stand that douche in the middle, Eric? And normally the woman/women on the left of the panel or horrible.
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I don't mind this one bit. I think abortion is generally murder. If I'm going to let you kill your child, you're going to have to look at it first.
I don't buy the "it's part of a women's body" argument. That fetus has a completely unique DNA already; it's different than the mother's body.
They are racists, sexists, classist, homophobic elitists.
But at least the founders would have loved them. :swordfigh
Uh oh. Might want to start a thread for that one.
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I agree with your argument about the fetus having unique DNA, and I therefore am not personally an advocate of abortion. However, I don't think it is right to make a woman carry to term an unwanted pregnancy. I like Joe Biden's take on abortion. His faith (Catholic) teaches that abortion is wrong, and he is personally against it. But, he believes it is wrong to impose his own personal beliefs on people who may not share them. I understand that I am not the arbitor of morality for the rest of the country -- I don't want that kind of responsibility. I am troubled by people who willingly seek out that kind of power over other people.
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I personally love the Biden viewpoint for things like gay marriage, but gay marriage is a victimless action. Every abortion has a victim, and I consider abortions that are far enough into the pregnancy as basically murder.
That said, to my understanding even the Catholic Church was once not opposed to early abortions. I think I can remember reading about St. Augustine saying abortions were fine until you can detect the first heartbeat. I'm closer to that opinion more than anything else.
That said, the current GOP is being wacky (what are the odds?) and pushing bills that says life starts at conception. I think that's taking it too far, as many pregnancies fail anyway naturally. Once again, instead of having the wisdom to discuss real policies that could actually be of use, they want no compromise and want to push laws down that are just draconian.
But yeah, this probably should get moved to the politics thread or it's own thread.
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Here's what Beck is going to allege if you don't want to wait till tomorrow: Confusion over Saudis in Boston following marathon attack – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs
Spoiler alert: he confuses one story about a Saudi national with another, because racism.
Spoiler alert: he confuses one story about a Saudi national with another, because racism.
I've never understood that distinction. People die naturally at old age; doesn't mean you can just kill old people.
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Who the "liberals" or the "conservatives" of whom you speak?
As far as the liberals, I cannot identify with that group that does not have testicles [figuratively], which is the majority of that sad group, you have described.
As far as the conservatives, I do not think the founding fathers would have cared much for them. Most, including folks like Sam Adams suffered greatly at their hands. The were radicals, and took up arms against the true conservatives of the day. I will with art and letters try to show a connection between their day and ours. Something to which some on this site can relate. Here is a good example, I am quoting myself, in a piece that was published a half-dozen years ago or so:
This man served between the reign of George III and Victoria, (including Geo IV and William IV.) This man further makes the case for the Wealthy, Powerful, and Privileged. His direct successors are today's most conservative element. Margret Thatcher was a graduate of the Nassau Senior School of Charm.
Further. Ireland has one school for Roman Catholic Priests. It is the National Seminary at Maynooth. Who built it? George the III. Why? He and the Pope came to an agreement. Most of the penal laws would be relaxed, and then George III wouldn't have to worry about priests bringing back sedition from France, where they previously had to go for training. Prior to the relaxation of the Penal Laws, one could bring a severed head into a constable's office in Ireland and plop it down on the desk for a five shilling reward, if it were a priest's head.
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Elaborate please.
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So your thinking is that they would be conservatives because their racism, sexism, classism and homophobia would be a more natural fit? That seems like a weird position to take.
Obviously most of those guys were very progressive for their time, but the world has changed drastically, as has the way we think about race, gender roles, religion, etc. That is why the originalists like Scalia are so infuriating. It ignores the fact that knowledge evolves and our thinking has to evolve with it or it becomes antiquated.
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O'reilly is actually pretty damn central. Rather than take the lyrics from rap artists and judge him, watch him sometime.
And I bet this is what Beck is going to comment on:
Boston bombers: FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev - Mirror Online
And I bet this is what Beck is going to comment on:
Boston bombers: FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev - Mirror Online
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You assume that we're "evolving" in the right direction. What is it with liberals that all change is good change?
One example is PC. Totally liberal idea that everything is offensive and shielding children from loss and strife. We've created a nation of pussies. Again, "change".
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Nobody hates the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality more than I do, but that has nothing to do with political correctness, which is a concept invented by idiots to excuse themselves for saying ignorant offensive things.
The "change" or "evolution" that has occurred since the formation of the country includes, among many others, the counting of black people as (whole) people, the elimation of the concept that black people are property, giving blacks and women the rights to vote and own property, the emergence of the U.S. as a global power, the industrial revolution, a better and more complete scientific understanding of our world, and the emergence technology to make transportation and communication easier. There is no legitimate argument that those changes don't represent progress, but even if there was an argument it wouldn't matter. The world changes, that is its nature. Evolution is part of existence.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I understood your argument as follows: There is a categorical distinction between conception and implantation (or some later stage). The former often naturally results in no baby. While the latter will, barring a miscarriage or an artificial act, result in a baby.
I never understood the categorical distinction, seems to be more of a difference of degree. And if abortion is wrong, it seems like an arbitrary distinction.
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Glenn Beck, FOX, MSNBC are all trying to push a agenda, just give me the facts and not your opinion so I can make up my own mind. I am tired of these so called news agencies trying to push there crap down my throat. Bring back the old school moose party! gun totting, religiously conservative, and are willing to help the middle class, not to be confused with today's progressives.
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Goggle "quickening," Buster.
Studies show up to 85% of pregnancies fail before the woman is aware she is missing her cycle. Several percent (more) continue while a woman has what appears to be regular menstruation, and unless progesterone goes up through the roof, they fail also. These are just factoids that I came across, and I may even have gotte some a bit wrong.
If correct, that is humbling. AND, that makes us all fellow members of the same minority!