'12 IN DT Sheldon Day (Notre Dame Man)

[Bogtrotter07]

The dline is not built to play the 4-3 as often. Same things goes for the linebackers. They can shift but that is not what they would be best at.

How so? More detail please.

 

[arrowryan]

3-4 olb are defensive ends in a 4-3. So Shembo and Ishaq would convert to defensive ends. That would prevent other players like EV from seeing the field as much as he would in a 3-4.

I personally like 3-4 much more.

 

[dublinirish]

if i had to play a 4-3 defense with ND's personnel it would have to be:
Ishaq WDE, Kona, Nix, Tuitt SDE
Spond WLB, Grace MLB, Councell SLB

 

[arrowryan]

if i had to play a 4-3 defense with ND's personnel it would have to be:
Ishaq WDE, Kona, Nix, Tuitt SDE
Spond WLB, Grace MLB, Councell SLB

That's the thing. There is not way Shembo doesn't start if we switched to a 4-3, he is our best rush linebacker but he isn't big enough on the d-line and idk how he is in space. We have too many good pass rushers to play a 4-3

 

[dublinirish]

i just wouldnt trust Shembo in coverage like i would Spond or Councell. Possibly you could bring him in on 3rd downs

 

[PANDFAN]

That's the thing. There is not way Shembo doesn't start if we switched to a 4-3, he is our best rush linebacker but he isn't big enough on the d-line and idk how he is in space. We have too many good pass rushers to play a 4-3

and this is one of the many reasons we sucked for how many years??? different dc's coming in and changing...never had the right personnel and it's like trying to stick a round peg in a square hole

 

[arrowryan]

i just wouldnt trust Shembo in coverage like i would Spond or Councell. Possibly you could bring him in on 3rd downs

But where would you put him? He coudn't play linebacker because he would have to go into coverage. And he would be pretty small as a d-lineman.

 

[dublinirish]

indeed with the current crop it would be very hard to run a 4-3 and i am sure the results would be disastrous. the only true fit on the DL would be Tuitt.

 

[dublinirish]

But where would you put him? He coudn't play linebacker because he would have to go into coverage. And he would be pretty small as a d-lineman.

3rd down and long situational Defensive End...otherwise he is riding the pine.

 

[stlnd01]

But where would you put him? He coudn't play linebacker because he would have to go into coverage. And he would be pretty small as a d-lineman.

Is anyone seriously proposing we switch to a 4-3? That's kind of crazytalk.

 

[arrowryan]

3rd down and long situational Defensive End...otherwise he is riding the pine.

I can see that. But a guy that had 7 sacks last year is not going to ride the pine lol

 

[stlnd01]

I can see that. But a guy that had 7 sacks last year is not going to ride the pine lol

Especially not if he's still in possession of the sledgehammer.

 

[dublinirish]

Is anyone seriously proposing we switch to a 4-3? That's kind of crazytalk.

Just hypothesisin'

 

[dublinirish]

Tyler Stockton could have 8 sacks per season in a 4-3..who knows

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Is this Sheldon Day's thread?

 

[Old Man Mike]

Only Diaco and Elston would know what they are talking about here, but on the speculation of a 4-3 base defense, I believe that we'd do fine --- it might not be the best base given our personnel [who knows?] but our personnel is so good athletically that they would be elite in anything.

My "starting" array would be: Shembo/ Nix/ Day/ Tuitt, with Spond/ Grace/ Councell [our speed linebackers] behind them.

Shembo would be a 4-3 DE monster --- he is WAY more powerful than some credit. Ishaq and he could spell each other. Kona would spell Day, Springmann would spell either Nix or Tuitt. Utupo would spell Tuitt probably. With the exception of Tuitt, this puts smaller [though hardly "small"] DEs out there who have both power and quickness off the ball. Havoc-makers. Day would be ideally set to pair with Nix. Side-by-side, they'd be unblockable. The quick immovable Mountain beside the quick powerful Oline-shedder.

At LB, Fox would spell Spond, Calabreese for Grace, and JSmith for Councell. Still extremely good second unit. All our guys can play football, and very few [like Carlo] are inflexible. The reason that I like 3-4 better than 4-3 as a base is that I believe that [if you have a Nix] the weakness disappears and the ability to confuse offenses becomes greater. There are easier blitzing variations out of this, and the 3-4 can immediately be a five-man line as well. Confusing linebacker drops [which one will and where?] are also more various.

We can play anything now that Kelly has built this thing. But strategically 3-4 is still best.

 

[arrowryan]

Is this Sheldon Day's thread?

who?

 

[dublinirish]

Northern Ohio football stadia anyone?

Back to Sheldon though, what percentage of snaps do you see him getting this year? Will Utupo push for his 3rd down snaps?

 

[Luckylucci]

If Sheldon is as good as everybody is saying he is at shedding blocks you don't take him off the field on third down. Secondly, if anybody is going to be taking reps from Sheldon my bet would be on Vanderdoes. If he comes in ready to go, I think he gets those reps. My end number for Sheldon would be 60-70%. Lastly we play in a 4-3 roughly 50% of the time and I imagine we are going to continue to do that. In that scenario I think you'd have be to be crazy to not want Shembo out there. He was 2nd on the team last year with 10.5 TFL. I would expect that number to increase this year.

 

[dublinirish]

i think some missed the point we were trying to make when hypothesising about ND having to use a 4-3. Point was i dont think Shembo could be an every down DE in such a system.

 

[Luckylucci]

Last year we played 4 down lineman 50% of the time (roughly) and a very significant portion of that Shembo lined up as a DE.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

i think some missed the point we were trying to make when hypothesising about ND having to use a 4-3. Point was i dont think Shembo could be an every down DE in such a system.

I think you missed the point. This isn't a 4-3 vs 3-4 thread or Prince Shembo's thread. This is Sheldon Day's thread.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Michigan made a living with guys his size at defensive end for nearly forty years, since Donald Coleman, I believe.

Michigan's one defensive end, (they called a flop end) dropped in coverage and basically played outside linebacker, half the time.

 

[pani_nasz]

Hindsight is 20-20, but I think Day's one-handed reach and trip of Denard Robinson last season, was as significant a play in theMichigan game as any. That was pure athleticism, and something I think we can expect a lot more of this year. So happy he is wearing a gold helmet.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Good little interview w Sheldon from II

IrishIllustrated.com - Day rises to the challenge

 

[Junkhead]

Good little interview w Sheldon from II

IrishIllustrated.com - Day rises to the challenge

Good article. Our OL must be getting better by fighting with Nix, Tuitt, Day, etc every day. And vice versa.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Good article. Our OL must be getting better by fighting with Nix, Tuitt, Day, etc every day. And vice versa.

I particularly noted this part:

“He’s so much better. He’s a handful,” said offensive tackle Zack Martin. “I think the biggest thing with him is he’s got a motor on him, so if you’re blocking him you’ve got to go from whistle to whistle. He’s not gonna stop. He’s improved so much.

“That defensive line with him, (Louis) Nix and (Stephon) Tuitt, there’s not much better in the country than that.”

Notre Dame doesn’t have a set depth chart but there’s no doubt Day won the defensive end job vacated by Kapron Lewis-Moore. During the open practice a week ago, he beat Martin on outside rushes, applying pressure to Everett Golson. He made just one tackle during the Blue-Gold Game.

 

[ndfb3]

Kelly's favorite player?

The mutual admiration society is alive and well in South Bend. [Earlier this week,] Brian Kelly dropped a head-turning quote when he offered that he wouldn't trade defensive lineman Sheldon Day "for anybody on our football team right now

 

[House16]

I know this has debated in the past in some other threads, but I'd like to get some of your guys' opinions on how the NT position is going to look next year. Presumably we lose Nix as well as Kona, and we have no other non-seniors listed at the position on the depth chart.

So, in your opinion, does Day fit the NT mold? Will it be a freshman? Will our defensive scheme shift?

 

[Domina Nostra]

I know this has debated in the past in some other threads, but I'd like to get some of your guys' opinions on how the NT position is going to look next year. Presumably we lose Nix as well as Kona, and we have no other non-seniors listed at the position on the depth chart.

So, in your opinion, does Day fit the NT mold? Will it be a freshman? Will our defensive scheme shift?

I have a hunch, rejected by almost everyone else , that Jarron Jones is going to be a NT.

The one positive thing that I always here is that, when he wants to be, he becomes immovable. Especially after the NC game, I could see ND putting more emphasis on our NT holding the point of attack and really covering his gaps rather than rushing and getting a ton of push (I am talking about emphasis, not one at the expense of the other). More of a traditional 3-4 (I think). For a kid like Jones, who many saw as an OL, that might be ideal. He could hold the line while the edge rushers got more of the double-team attention.