[Vpoll] Marijuana, Weed, Pot

[DSully1995]

Government doesn't even let us grow our own food...keep that in mind.

Big Pharm will have their hand in it. YOu can bet your sweet a$$.

Yep, i can see it already, expose a couple of stories about weed laced with heroin or about how some conditions alter the drug , raise fear, then claim the growing of marijuana is unsafe and can only be handled in laboratory like environments, but its for your own good, irishpat

 

[Buster Bluth]

Thankfully, marijuana advocates are very intense and don't roll over.

 

[greyhammer90]

Thankfully, marijuana advocates are very intense and don't roll over.

 

[irishpat183]

Yep, i can see it already, expose a couple of stories about weed laced with heroin or about how some conditions alter the drug , raise fear, then claim the growing of marijuana is unsafe and can only be handled in laboratory like environments, but its for your own good, irishpat

They love praying on our emotions, don't they?


People "dying in the streets" so we need to pass health care legislation. Mass shootings are "happeing almost daily" so we need to pass new gun legislation.


This is how government makes it's money, Fellas

One of my favorite quotes: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule."

-H. L. Mencken

 

[Redbar]

Pat, I definitely agree, we need to be very skeptical of offers to "protect" or save us.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Nice assumption...but not gonna happen.

Health care costs will continue to rise. And making a drug legal, while I don't disagree with it being legal, won't make a damn bit of difference.


It's amazing that if we just legalize weed, all the worlds problems will go away. Some of you on here are hilariously delusional.

Just say it. You want weed legalized because you want to smoke it and feel good about it. I got no issue with that as that's your thing. But these assumptions about crime rates, lower health care...etc. are just assumptions.



And I'm sure Limpballs and Farve can afford their own drugs many times over and have been buying them under the table for some time now with the amount they use...

I can't say much on the healthcare part, because I honestly haven't looked into it.

But for crime rates... Can you show me some arrest data on a national level for marijuana offenses?

Oh yeah Big Pharm will definitely give this a go. They already have in some cases.

 

[Buster Bluth]

It's amazing that if we just legalize weed, all the worlds problems will go away. Some of you on here are hilariously delusional.

Feel free to point out inaccuracies or disagreements, as you see them.

Just say it. You want weed legalized because you want to smoke it and feel good about it.

No. I drank before it was legal and will smoke before it's legal, that is 1% of the concern. The tens of billions in waste and the millions of people in prison is why I'm vehemently opposed to these nonsensical policies.

But these assumptions about crime rates, lower health care...etc. are just assumptions.

I can't speak for lower health care costs. I've never stated that. Weed can treat a lot of things, from chronic pain to depression, so I wouldn't doubt an individual's ability to lower his/her costs using a natural solution as opposed to an expensive pharmaceutical one. As a country, I highly doubt it has any effect either way. It certainly won't raise costs, either, for the record. Although, a decrease in cigarette smoking or alcohol usage would have an impact, no? I can see the former happening, but not the latter.

As for crime rates, a huge percentage of our prisons are filled with drug offenders and hundreds of thousands are arrested annually for marijuana. So, yeah, I think it will have an impact.

 

[Buster Bluth]

But for crime rates... Can you show me some arrest data on a national level for marijuana offenses?

Combine this with idiotic "mandatory minimums" lobbyists have installed and priate prisons booming in the 1990s, and you see the sickness in our system.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Supposedly former DEA chiefs are urging Obama to take action against medical marijuana states, lest the United States is in violation of international treaties.

Ex-DEA heads: Feds should nullify state pot laws - SFGate

States > Feds > Crazy guy in tinfoil hat > UN

 

[Black Irish]

International treaties can suck my *****. The USA is still the top dog in the world. We'll do what we want and the rest of the world can follow our lead.

 

[greyhammer90]

International treaties can suck my *****. The USA is still the top dog in the world. We'll do what we want and the rest of the world can follow our lead.

 

[GoIrish41]

International treaties can suck my *****. The USA is still the top dog in the world. We'll do what we want and the rest of the world can follow our lead.

This is the weed thead right? That sounded way too hostile for the weed thread.

 

[DSully1995]

International treaties can suck my *****. The USA is still the top dog in the world. We'll do what we want and the rest of the world can follow our lead.

And when it comes to world dominance, its better to burn out than to fade away, YOU *******AINT TAKING NASCAR!!!!!

 

[greyhammer90]

And when it comes to world dominance, its better to burn out than to fade away, YOU *******AINT TAKING NASCAR!!!!!

 

[Cackalacky]

International treaties can suck my *****. The USA is still the top dog in the world. We'll do what we want and the rest of the world can follow our lead.

'Murica!!!!!!!!

 

[RDU Irish]

Nice assumption...but not gonna happen.

Health care costs will continue to rise. And making a drug legal, while I don't disagree with it being legal, won't make a damn bit of difference.


It's amazing that if we just legalize weed, all the worlds problems will go away. Some of you on here are hilariously delusional.

Just say it. You want weed legalized because you want to smoke it and feel good about it. I got no issue with that as that's your thing. But these assumptions about crime rates, lower health care...etc. are just assumptions.


And I'm sure Limpballs and Farve can afford their own drugs many times over and have been buying them under the table for some time now with the amount they use...

So what is keeping 100% of the population from being chain smoking alcoholics? People who want to do it are already doing it. It is the same fatal flaw of prohibition only on a smaller scale.

Why is it delusional to speculate that, if legal, weed would cut into the market for some prescription medications? It is basic economics of substitution. Not saying overall health care expenses stop increasing, but on the margin it is pretty clear to me this would be beneficial to cost.

The arrest data provided is incredible. Al Gore would predict every American to have 10 pot arrests per year in 2050 based on those charts. WASTE OF FREAKING RESOURCES! Seriously, let the idiots smoke pot on the couch in their mom's basement. Employers can still have drug policies to weed out the pot heads (pun intended). I don't want to associate with any of them but any pot heads I have ever known weren't hurting anyone other than themselves and much less so than alcoholics and pill poppers who can get completely out of control.

 

[irishpat183]

Check out, on history channel, Marijauna: A Chronic History (or something like that)


Gives some great points and both sides of the argument.

 

[Buster Bluth]

There are no facts backing the other side of the story.

The Hawaiian Senate voted unanimously to decriminalize mairjuana yesterday.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

There are no facts backing the other side of the story.

The Hawaiian Senate voted unanimously to decriminalize mairjuana yesterday.

Now there's a state that has waaaay too many people in jail for just weed offenses.

 

[irishpat183]

There are no facts backing the other side of the story.

The Hawaiian Senate voted unanimously to decriminalize mairjuana yesterday.

I'm talking about facts about the supposed "health benefits" (which are suspect at best and not proven).

Which is why I'm not conviced by the "health" argument and don't know why that is the "go to" for most of the pro-pot movement.

Only 2% of people using pot for medicinal purposes have cancer/HIV or some terminal illness.


I want it legalized because Alcohol is far worse and pot just isn't that bad. We're hypocrites.

 

[irishpat183]

There are no facts backing the other side of the story.

The Hawaiian Senate voted unanimously to decriminalize mairjuana yesterday.

Lets take cues from the state with crystal meth problem......

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I'm talking about facts about the supposed "health benefits" (which are suspect at best and not proven).

Which is why I'm not conviced by the "health" argument and don't know why that is the "go to" for most of the pro-pot movement.

Only 2% of people using pot for medicinal purposes have cancer/HIV or some terminal illness.


I want it legalized because Alcohol is far worse and pot just isn't that bad. We're hypocrites.

And you came to this conclusion based on what?

 

[Irish Insanity]

I still don't get people's thinking on this. If you make money off of marijuana when it's illegal why would you stop doing it when it becomes legal. The law is changing nothing about marijuana is.

2nd How does legalization "push" people into other substances and behaviors?

And for those interested Discovery Channel has "reality show" about pot in Northern California up right now...

I spoke in specific reference to individuals I know involved based upon their personalities and later stated an opinion based on those same people. I would assume that if it were legalized and taxed it would probably be less expensive than it currently is and would force individuals, like the people I know, to find another form of income. Being that to that point they haven't held a job in a long time, and found the illegal road much easier, I can't imagine they would then go out and find a low paying job and accept making a small percentage of what they did before. Pot isn't what makes them go about their life how they do, their personality and character does. Legalize and remove pot from their lives, they will find another similar road to travel.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I still don't get people's thinking on this. If you make money off of marijuana when it's illegal why would you stop doing it when it becomes legal. The law is changing nothing about marijuana is.

2nd How does legalization "push" people into other substances and behaviors?

And for those interested Discovery Channel has "reality show" about pot in Northern California up right now...

I am on the legalize/tax/regulate side. Personally I've never even as much as tried it once. I have several family members who do, young to old, and have been involved with it for years. I can say the majority of them are losers (not all), and if it were legalized would simply find another illegal substance to use, manufacture, and sell. I don't believe the marijuana is the issue, its the people that are involved with it and the lifestyle a lot that are involved with it lead. I don't think making it legal will eliminate much, if any crime, but rather push a percentage of those individuals into other illegal substances or behaviors.

I spoke in specific reference to individuals I know involved based upon their personalities and later stated an opinion based on those same people. I would assume that if it were legalized and taxed it would probably be less expensive than it currently is and would force individuals, like the people I know, to find another form of income. Being that to that point they haven't held a job in a long time, and found the illegal road much easier, I can't imagine they would then go out and find a low paying job and accept making a small percentage of what they did before. Pot isn't what makes them go about their life how they do, their personality and character does. Legalize and remove pot from their lives, they will find another similar road to travel.

You said come legalization they will "use, manufacture and sell" something else. I'm 99% sure that legalization will not "push" people into using a different drug. Growing and selling are different, which I talked about in a later post. But for your people, who are living off of just marijuana; they obviously have some sort of knowledge on how to run a business. I have a hard time understanding why someone who knows what they are doing, completely stop come legalization and try something completely new.

And yes crime goes down.

 

[betecd]

You said come legalization they will "use, manufacture and sell" something else. I'm 99% sure that legalization will not "push" people into using a different drug. Growing and selling are different, which I talked about in a later post. But for your people, who are living off of just marijuana; they obviously have some sort of knowledge on how to run a business. I have a hard time understanding why someone who knows what they are doing, completely stop come legalization and try something completely new.

And yes crime goes down.

That is exactly why it is a schedule 1 Drug. If we legalized it then what do we do with the Billions funded to fight it? Billions funded to fill hotels...err Prisons? Vacancy= no money I am sure farmers, distributors and retailers would adjust to the legal side of drug trafficing but your police unions, DEA agents and Prison unions would be F****D

 

[irishpat183]

And you came to this conclusion based on what?

I was watching the history channel's doc on Pot. Again, I'm not agasint it. Just not buying the "health" argument.


Also, since they started selling pot in CA at distrubution centers, violent crime is actually increased in those areas.

Because it's legal here, the cartels are attacking those distrubution centers to maintain control of the trade.

So one could say that even if it's legal here....the cartels aren't just gonna take a paycut sitting down.

 

[Irish Insanity]

You said come legalization they will "use, manufacture and sell" something else. I'm 99% sure that legalization will not "push" people into using a different drug. Growing and selling are different, which I talked about in a later post. But for your people, who are living off of just marijuana; they obviously have some sort of knowledge on how to run a business. I have a hard time understanding why someone who knows what they are doing, completely stop come legalization and try something completely new.

And yes crime goes down.

If the activity they are involved in to support themselves is no longer doing so, they would have no choice.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I was watching the history channel's doc on Pot. Again, I'm not agasint it. Just not buying the "health" argument.


Also, since they started selling pot in CA at distrubution centers, violent crime is actually increased in those areas.

Because it's legal here, the cartels are attacking those distrubution centers to maintain control of the trade.

So one could say that even if it's legal here....the cartels aren't just gonna take a paycut sitting down.

For the health part, do more research.

On the second part, I thought I just read you ranting about fear-based arguments smh...

Can you show me where all these cartel attacks on distribution centers are happening?

I'd like to see where you got your stats on violent crime too, since violent crime is going down in Ca.

 

[irishpat183]

For the health part, do more research.

On the second part, I thought I just read you ranting about fear-based arguments smh...

Can you show me where all these cartel attacks on distribution centers are happening?

I'd like to see where you got your stats on violent crime too, since violent crime is going down in Ca.

Again, I watched this doc on History channel. They interviewed the police chief in the area. I didn't say violent crime has increased in CA...just in those areas. (I'll have to check the area that they said it was...I'm going off memory here, forgive me)

In fact, there was a story in which a distrubution center was robbed and the two people working there were shot to death by a gang.

The fact that you blatantly ignore this possiblity is ridiculous.

So what was the issue with the my comments about the health benefits? Which have never been confirmed by the FDA, BTW.

And when you factor in that only a FRACTION of uses have actual REAL health problems (not made up sh*t)...the health argument is laughable.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

One clever argument I heard is that, by being illegal, marijuana is actually more "gateway-like" than if it were decriminalized.

That is, by pushing it underground, people looking for it have to find a "drug dealer", some of whom deal harder stuff or push new "products" on their "clients".

If it's legal, then a pot-head is in no better position to find crack than anyone else.