My Top 20 Quarterbacks heading into the 2013 season

[woolybug25]

Very fair points Wooly I am not arguing with you at all man.I would rep you if I could. Both are super stars in our sport. What about Tajh(sp?) Boyd? He did it all year long with Sammy Watkins for the most part. All I guess I am saying is we all can agree on the top 5 QB's whatever order you want to put them in is up to you on how you want to judge your top 5.

That's a good point. Our top five would probably all have the same guys in it, just different order.

I think Boyd could compete for this Heisman this year in my opinion.

 

[GBdomer]

That's a good point. Our top five would probably all have the same guys in it, just different order.

I think Boyd could compete for this Heisman this year in my opinion.

Do you mind posting your top 5/10? Just curious how your list would look to mine.

 

[GBdomer]

I personally think Mettenberger is a bunch of hot garbage

I can understand that but he did play well down the stretch last year and has all the tools. Maybe the best arm talent in college football. My list is where I believe they will end up at the end of next year. No reason Mettenberger can't be top 20 with the talent around him. I think Cam Cameron will help also.

 

[arrowryan]

I don't see how Gardner is a top 10 quarterback. He was playing wide receiver against us. Lol

 

[GBdomer]

I don't see how Gardner is a top 10 quarterback. He was playing wide receiver against us. Lol

O I think Gardner is a stud.

Last 4 games last year 11 TD's with 4 picks. With 7 rushing TD's

 

[IrishJayhawk]

What on earth has Hogan shown to put him anywhere on a list of top QBs?

Guys, as much as I love him, I'd ask the same question about Golson.

 

[GBdomer]

Guys, as much as I love him, I'd ask the same question about Golson.

Completely agree with you

 

[woolybug25]

Do you mind posting your top 5/10? Just curious how your list would look to mine.

A) Gunner Kiel
1) Teddy Bridgewater
2) Johnny Manziel
3) Braxton Miller
4) Tajh Boyd
5) AJ McCaron
6) Jordan Lynch
7) Marcus Mariota
8) Aaron Murray (I don't get the hate this kid gets)
9) Devin Gardner
10) Brett Hundley (you're welcome for your receiving corps)


The thing that really would **** everyone off about my list is that Everett might not make the top 20 cut. I would have to think about it, and it's close, but i'm not sure where I would put our guy. I love him, but he is somewhere between 15-25 for me.

 

[dudesthisisthebest]

How could do you guys think Blake Bell is going to be?

He was pretty highly recruited.

 

[NDPhilly]

Devin Gardner with a full offseason at QB scares me. He was pretty damn good last year when he switched from WR to QB in a week.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Shane Morris is gonna explode.... Lol.

 

[NOLAIrish]

I can understand that but he did play well down the stretch last year and has all the tools. Maybe the best arm talent in college football. My list is where I believe they will end up at the end of next year. No reason Mettenberger can't be top 20 with the talent around him. I think Cam Cameron will help also.

Mettenberger looks like an unathletic JaMarcus Russell. Huge arm, completely immobile, very slow in his progressions. He basically had two good games last year: Alabama and Mississippi State. After that, Ole Miss ate his lunch and he nearly lost the Arkansas game. I'd lay the Clemson game at his feet, too, if Les Miles hadn't been so busy reminding the world that he's bat-**** crazy.

He was basically Everett Golson minus every shred of pocket awareness and athleticism last season. Go look at their passing numbers: they're almost identical. Then factor in about 4 sacks per game that Mett took which Golson would've avoided. Towson(!) got to him 5 times.

I don't think Golson should be in anyone's top 20 at this point, either, for what it's worth. Comparable freshmen/sophmores haven't turned into top-20 QBs the next season with much regularity. When you look for guys to compare his start to, you wind up finding many who never put in the effort and lost their starting jobs and then an awful lot who developed slowly or never at all like Jeremiah Masoli, Patrick Pinkney, Jacory Harris, Tate Forcier, Adam Weber, and J.P. Wilson. Matt Stafford and Terrelle Pryor both looked a lot like Golson as sophmores before breaking through the next season, but they're the exception, not the rule. The best-case comparable player is probably Andy Dalton. All three of those guys, though, took until their third season starting to really reach the top 20.

We tend to look at guys who started as freshmen and project a nice, smooth upward curve over the next three seasons. Reality is far more messy. We're still talking about a man who learned only last offseason that starting college QBs have to put in serious work to learn the position. To become an elite signal caller, he's going to have to take the next step in his dedication to the game. We all hope he will, but I'm not comfortable putting him in that category until we see it happen and see that he has the skill to evolve from a reliable game manager into a true threat on the field.

 

[GBdomer]

Wooly great list. Glad we agree Gardner is in the top 10. Like I said I think we all can agree on the top 5. Blake Bell is a guy to keep an eye on good call dude.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

No offense, but putting a guy like Devin Gardner ahead of Everett Golson is a slap in the face.

 

[arrowryan]

No offense, but putting a guy like Devin Gardner ahead of Everett Golson is a slap in the face.

Oh well. Devin Gardner play **** competition while Golson played one of the toughest schedules in the country, went undefeated, and took a team to the NCG for the first time in 25 years. But Golson might not be a top 15 quarterback

 

[IrishJayhawk]

No offense, but putting a guy like Devin Gardner ahead of Everett Golson is a slap in the face.

Not sure how.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Oh well. Devin Gardner play **** competition while Golson played one of the toughest schedules in the country, went undefeated, and took a team to the NCG for the first time in 25 years. But Golson might not be a top 15 quarterback

Everett was a nice care taker. He held onto the ball and made a few big plays when needed.

But to state that he's a top 15 QB because of what you've enumerated there, impressive as it is, seems like you (a) didn't watch much ND football last year or (b) ONLY watched ND football last year.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Not sure how.

Let's see...Devin Gardner was only able to beat one team with a winning record. Everett Golson led his team to an undefeated regular season and the national championship game. We could start there...

 

[DillonHall]

Let's see...Devin Gardner was only able to beat one team with a winning record. Everett Golson led his team to an undefeated regular season and the national championship game. We could start there...

OMG not this again!! Way too much credit/blame is given to the QB by some football fans who seemingly don't understand the game very well

Use stats, not W-L record

 

[arrowryan]

Everett was a nice care taker. He held onto the ball and made a few big plays when needed.

But to state that he's a top 15 QB because of what you've enumerated there, impressive as it is, seems like you (a) didn't watch much ND football last year or (b) ONLY watched ND football last year.

That's what he did in the beginning of the season. Look how he responded after OU tied the game at 13. Look how he responded after we were getting waxed by Pitt. And he played at pretty high level against Bama.

He might not be a top 15 quarterback, but there is not one reason why he shouldn't be considered. Especially when guys have a quarterback in their top 10 that has played like 4 games as quarterback and only beat 1 team with a winning record(Northwestern)

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Let's see...Devin Gardner was only able to beat one team with a winning record. Everett Golson led his team to an undefeated regular season and the national championship game. We could start there...

I'm picking up on your snark.

Look, I love Golson. He had a nice year as a care taker in this offense. He's got an excellent upside.

The defense led this team to an undefeated regular season. Golson had something to do with it, no doubt. But Gardner looked scary in his short time. A better QB rating than Golson and more rushing TDs in 5 games than Everett had all year.

I still don't see how it's a slap in the face.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

That's what he did in the beginning of the season. Look how he responded after OU tied the game at 13. Look how he responded after we were getting waxed by Pitt. And he played at pretty high level against Bama.

He might not be a top 15 quarterback, but there is not one reason why he shouldn't be considered. Especially when guys have a quarterback in their top 10 that has played like 4 games as quarterback and only beat 1 team with a winning record(Northwestern)

I agree with all of that. He was great at OU. He made a few big plays. He made some great plays at Pitt. He also had a vital INT that would have cost us the game (was that when the Pitt kicker missed wide in OT?). He looked pretty good at times against Bama.

He also only threw 12 TDs all year. I just think trying to put him in the top 15 right now is viewing him with kelly colored glasses.

NOTE: I hope I'm wrong. I was certainly wrong about our record this year.

 

[arrowryan]

I'm picking up on your snark.

Look, I love Golson. He had a nice year as a care taker in this offense. He's got an excellent upside.

The defense led this team to an undefeated regular season. Golson had something to do with it, no doubt. But Gardner looked scary in his short time. A better QB rating than Golson and more rushing TDs in 5 games than Everett had all year.

I still don't see how it's a slap in the face.

I wouldn't put much stock at all in Gardner's QB rating, especially because he only played 4 games. That's like drooling over a .450 batting average but the hitter has only played 5 games

 

[GBdomer]

What game did you guys see last year that was like wow Golson had a great game besides the Wake game, maybe Oklahoma? He will only get better but he had 12 TD's last year with a 58% of his passes. Not top 15 stats and not even close. Gardner did all that in 4 games and had 1 more rushing TD. So how exactly is that a slap in the face?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I wouldn't put much stock at all in Gardner's QB rating, especially because he only played 4 games. That's like drooling over a .450 batting average but the hitter has only played 5 games

How about 11 TD passes in 5 games compared to Everett's 12 all year?

How about 7 rushing TDs in 5 games compared to Everett's 6 all year?

 

[arrowryan]

I agree with all of that. He was great at OU. He made a few big plays. He made some great plays at Pitt. He also had a vital INT that would have cost us the game (was that when the Pitt kicker missed wide in OT?). He looked pretty good at times against Bama.

He also only threw 12 TDs all year. I just think trying to put him in the top 15 right now is viewing him with kelly colored glasses.

NOTE: I hope I'm wrong. I was certainly wrong about our record this year.

No, he threw an interception in the 4th quarter. He recovered from that by throwing a touchdown to Riddick then running it in for the 2 point conversion. The kicker missed the FG in the 2nd OT

 

[GBdomer]

How about 11 TD passes in 5 games compared to Everett's 12 all year?

How about 7 rushing TDs in 5 games compared to Everett's 6 all year?

Exactly bro. Some of you need to take off the blue and gold shades.

 

[scUM Hater]

All I know is, I hope this doesn't turn into a "he's a system QB". All QB's are system QB's. Good coaches will utilize a system to the QB's strengths.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

I'm picking up on your snark.

Look, I love Golson. He had a nice year as a care taker in this offense. He's got an excellent upside.

The defense led this team to an undefeated regular season. Golson had something to do with it, no doubt. But Gardner looked scary in his short time. A better QB rating than Golson and more rushing TDs in 5 games than Everett had all year.

I still don't see how it's a slap in the face.

The slap in the face comes when you think a QB with one solid win under his belt and an interception in every one of his games has proven that he is elite and better than a national championship contending QB.

You pick and choose 5 games from Golson and you will say "wow he looks scary" too.

I don't think people are giving Golson enough credit. He didn't play vs. Bama like the heisman winner, Johhny Manziel, but he out played Aaron Murray vs bama...

 

[arrowryan]

How about 11 TD passes in 5 games compared to Everett's 12 all year?

How about 7 rushing TDs in 5 games compared to Everett's 6 all year?

How about 5 interceptions in 5 games to Golson's 6 all year?