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palinurus

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K lemme rephrase, sure fear tyranny, but I refuse to count that as a serious argument against gun control

I don't see tyranny as an immediate threat, but if the last 100 years taught us anything it is how quickly -- decades, fifty years, who knows? -- things can change. A hundred years ago from today, no one would have foreseen or predicted the tyranny the world would suffer under. It was supposed to be a new, enlightened world. We now know how wrong they were.

A disarmed populace is not likely to easily be rearmed and I see no reason to trust government as an everlastingly benevolent force. History teaches us the opposite.
 

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So you had to go back 20 years for an example.

In regards to the link. How many bullets did it take the kid to shoot the introduder?

No, I knew of that example off the top of my head. I had to go back 2 years for the kid. People don't often use rifles as a form of HD when a shotgun is more effective and a handgun is easier to keep bedside. That being said it doesn't matter. If you're more comfortable handling an AR and feel that when the time comes it gives you the best chance to defend you and yours you shouldn't be told no. If you were used to driving a 4x4 in harsh winter weather a couple days a year and then someone told you that you could only drive RWD how confident would you be when driving in a blizzard?
 

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A friend of our family gregory is running in the special election to replace Jesse Jackson Jrs vacant seat. He has no chance. He is one of 17 dems on the ballot.

It is interesting though that the 2 favorites are no longer favorites because they had A ratings from the NRA and have been destroyed for it. At least in Chicago's south were our friend is from the NRA is seen as a huge negative. This the first federal election post sandy hook.
 

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K lemme rephrase, sure fear tyranny, but I refuse to count that as a serious argument against gun control

What Canada's gun control laws like?

Just curious as they do have less gun violence per capita. Albeit they also have less big cities and better socioeconomic equality so those things contribute as well.
 

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This guy in Texas decides the appropriate solution over dog crap on his lawn is to shoot the dog oweners.

Texas couple fatally shot in argument over dog feces | firstcoastnews.com

By the way the owners had 4 children that will now have to grow up without parents.

So what does this have to do with guns? And I'm sure the "sable ridge apartments" are a nice place to live in the first place. Probably the ghetto.

And don't get me started on the streets of Chicago......
 

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In my opinion, the best way to curb gun violence would be to legalize drugs. That way a huge portion of gangs' income is taken away, and drug users have other means to resolve disputes than violence.
 

irishpat183

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Results oriented philosophy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/opinion/australia-banned-assault-weapons-america-can-too.html?_r=0[/QUOTE



Violent crime is up since their gun ban. Also, most people didn't even own a gun before their laws passed. You could argue that those crimes have increased because the potential victim most likely won't be armed. While gun crime has decreased (again, already very low to begin with) other crimes have not.


Point is...you cannot compare other nations to us. We are the most violent society on earth. Its in our movies, video games, news...etc.

We need to outlaw bad parents. That is where it starts.
 

irishpat183

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In my opinion, the best way to curb gun violence would be to legalize drugs. That way a huge portion of gangs' income is taken away, and drug users have other means to resolve disputes than violence.

But could you imagine the health costs because of that?
 

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In my opinion, the best way to curb gun violence would be to legalize drugs. That way a huge portion of gangs' income is taken away, and drug users have other means to resolve disputes than violence.

I think you're likely right. The war on drugs hasn't seemed to do much. Legalize, regulate the heck out of them, and you undercut the market. Seems like it could be a piece to the puzzle...not the only thing, but a piece.
 

Irish Houstonian

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60% of the cartels' income comes from marijuana importation. So perhaps just "legalizing" that part could save a lot of dough and curb the violence, without creating a lot more addicts and overdoses to deal with.
 

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60% of the cartels' income comes from marijuana importation. So perhaps just "legalizing" that part could save a lot of dough and curb the violence, without creating a lot more addicts and overdoses to deal with.

Then imagine legalizing other drugs and other illegal actions (that don't need to be illegal). The cartels would lose almost their entire income, people would be able to exercise more liberty if they choose, we could treat the problem more directly, oh, and taxes.
 

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Then imagine legalizing other drugs and other illegal actions (that don't need to be illegal). The cartels would lose almost their entire income, people would be able to exercise more liberty if they choose, we could treat the problem more directly, oh, and taxes.

However...The problem would lie with the huge increase in usage and people overdosing in the first few years.

Pot is one thing, I agree that it should be legal...but when your talking meth, blow, heroin...etc. That's another story.

You know how dangerous it is to make meth? And if it's legal, you don't think people will be trying to make their own?
 

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I think you're likely right. The war on drugs hasn't seemed to do much. Legalize, regulate the heck out of them, and you undercut the market. Seems like it could be a piece to the puzzle...not the only thing, but a piece.

War on drugs is worthless...as is the war on poverty, war on racism, war on hunger. You can't wage a financial war on these problems.


And the government is already doing that to our economy and it doesn't work! LOL
 

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However...The problem would lie with the huge increase in usage and people overdosing in the first few years.

Pot is one thing, I agree that it should be legal...but when your talking meth, blow, heroin...etc. That's another story.

You know how dangerous it is to make meth? And if it's legal, you don't think people will be trying to make their own?


If people want to mess up their own lives, what right do we have to point guns at them? We should help as many people that want help, and we should actively try to help people that don't desire help, but we shouldn't use violence to forcibly help people.

I see little difference between pot, heroine, meth, alcohol, tabaco, blow, etc.

To me, they are bad actions that people voluntarily subject themselves to. Why should we use violence against them?

Fundamentally, I don't believe that someone's sense of morality or sense of "health" should be enforced at gun point onto other people. That is true for drug use, insurance (or lack thereof), etc.

I think if its legal less people would try to make their own, as industries would spring up to do it legitimacy (and it could be certified by the FDA saying what is in it). Also it would help buster's war on robots (for a little while) as there would be more jobs.
 

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Does anybody have any recommendations on gun safes? We have three hunting rifles and a hand gun. Currently the rifles are in cases and the hand gun is on a shelf in a closet. With the kids getting bigger the wife thinks it is about time to get a gun safe. Thanks.
 

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Wanting them out of the way? They make a platform bed safe now. Just put the mattress on top of the safe. Can't remember the company name but they are a bit expensive.
 
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