Opinions/Discussions on Guns

[BobD]

I can't believe we haven't resolved this debate yet.

 

[JadeBrecks]

I can't believe we haven't resolved this debate yet.

We will never resolve it. You are unwilling to come to our side and we will never go to yours. Its like the political thread. I keep telling myself not to come in here but then I read some of the uniformed statements and can't help but respond.

Do me a favor Bob. You see me posting in here any more tell me to get out. It is a trap thread. Once you open it you can't stay out.

 

[chicago51]

I can't believe we haven't resolved this debate yet.

This thread needed a poll.

 

[BobD]

We will never resolve it. You are unwilling to come to our side and we will never go to yours. Its like the political thread. I keep telling myself not to come in here but then I read some of the uniformed statements and can't help but respond.

Do me a favor Bob. You see me posting in here any more tell me to get out. It is a trap thread. Once you open it you can't stay out.

I think the thing to remember is not many people including me want to ban guns altogether. There are certain weapons that Joe citizen just doesn't need IMO and I believe if we got rid of them the world would be a safer place.

That's MY goal.

 

[scUM Hater]

My next vehicle:

and trailer:

It's my right, I am a USA citizen. I know our forefathers had these in mind.

 

[JadeBrecks]

I think the thing to remember is not many people including me want to ban guns altogether. There are certain weapons that Joe citizen just doesn't need IMO and I believe if we got rid of them the world would be a safer place.

That's MY goal.

The people in politics pushing the legislation want to ban them all.
I believe i do need those weapons. Your beliefs trump mine? I can't tell someone i don't believe gay marriage is right our that abortion is wrong because i believe that. Yet it is ok to tell me i can't have weapons because you don't believe it is right. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

P.s. Not trying to start a gay or abortion debate.

 

[scUM Hater]

Yeah, Git R Done.

 

[chicago51]

Filibuster reform still being debated. Because of the way things are right now any gun legislation will have to get started in the Senate. Without reform gun laws won't get through.

 

[phgreek]

No disrespect meant, but that's a tired and completely irrelevant argument. I believe you know that.

A better comparison is cigarettes & guns.

I don't agree...a gun is a tool, as is a vehicle. Both can be used with catastrophic results to many, but their intent is to perform a usefull function.

Cigarettes are a vice...self inflicted harm, like drugs. Yes they can and have hurt bystanders...but cigarettes have no utility beyond any other vice.

The car logic seems better to me...

 

[scUM Hater]

I say we only give guns to people who want an abortion.

 

[BobD]

I don't agree...a gun is a tool, as is a vehicle. Both can be used with catastrophic results to many, but their intent is to perform a usefull function.

Cigarettes are a vice...self inflicted harm, like drugs. Yes they can and have hurt bystanders...but cigarettes have no utility beyond any other vice.

The car logic seems better to me...

Guns only have one use, to maim or kill, same for cigarettes. A gun is a weapon, a hammer is a tool.

 

[BobD]

The people in politics pushing the legislation want to ban them all.
I believe i do need those weapons. Your beliefs trump mine? I can't tell someone i don't believe gay marriage is right our that abortion is wrong because i believe that. Yet it is ok to tell me i can't have weapons because you don't believe it is right. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

P.s. Not trying to start a gay or abortion debate.

You can't break into my home, steal my opinion and kill 20 People with it.

 

[pkt77242]

I don't agree...a gun is a tool, as is a vehicle. Both can be used with catastrophic results to many, but their intent is to perform a usefull function.Cigarettes are a vice...self inflicted harm, like drugs. Yes they can and have hurt bystanders...but cigarettes have no utility beyond any other vice.

The car logic seems better to me...

What the? Agreed some guns have useful functions (some shotguns for hunting, etc) but Assault rifles are only used to kill people, no other function. You don't take an assault rifle hunting do you?

 

[chicago51]

The NRA spokesman just made statement criticizing the POTUS inaugural address. This is weird because the President didn't actually mention guns in the inaugural address.

 

[phgreek]

Guns only have one use, to maim or kill, same for cigarettes. A gun is a weapon, a hammer is a tool.

While I have used my shotgun as an oar before...

It really was my intent to point out that a weapon indeed has a beneficial purpose...a utility...as does a car...and as opposed to a cigarette...

A simple object lesson, shall we?

I use my weapons to put food on the table...

I tried to hold an Elk down and make him smoke a pack of Palmal's once...I soon came to the conclusion that was going to take far too long to result in little white packages in my freezer, would likely cause him undue distress/pain, endanger me with second hand smoke, put the endangered forest critters around us at risk due to fire hazard, and generally result in me getting may a$$ kicked...so your analogy escapes me...

 

[DSully1995]

I think i can clarify for BobD, a gun is only a tool, it is a tool for the purpose of killing easily, it renders murder easy, tool for murder

hammer, (mostly) tool for contruction.

Construction-not illegal, murder-illegal

 

[chicago51]

Canada has tougher gun control laws and they are safer on the domestic front.

 

[phgreek]

I think i can clarify for BobD, a gun is only a tool, it is a tool for the purpose of killing easily, it renders murder easy, tool for murder

hammer, (mostly) tool for contruction.

Construction-not illegal, murder-illegal

...and again, I use my weapons to put food on the table. Further, you cannot enjoy a cigarette w/o causing oneself harm

I can shoot skeet and target and engage in all manner of friendly competition making a weapon a pass time with BENEFITS to health...you can do NO such thing with a cigarette lest you use it like a freaking sparkler...???

 

[BobD]

While I have used my shotgun as an oar before...

It really was my intent to point out that a weapon indeed has a beneficial purpose...a utility...as does a car...and as opposed to a cigarette...

A simple object lesson, shall we?

I use my weapons to put food on the table...

I tried to hold an Elk down and make him smoke a pack of Palmal's once...I soon came to the conclusion that was going to take far too long to result in little white packages in my freezer, would likely cause him undue distress/pain, endanger me with second hand smoke, put the endangered forest critters around us at risk due to fire hazard, and generally result in me getting may a$$ kicked...so your analogy escapes me...

A car is designed as transportation and unfortunately people can get hurt or killed in accidents. A gun is designed to maim or kill if it has an accident something lives.

 

[chicago51]

Every compares guns to cars then it gets all up in arms when I suggest gun owners be licensed by the state to own a firearm and have insurance for their gun.

I get the old driving is a constitutional right and cars are not. If bear arms is equal to owning a gun then one make the case driving is a right to. Under article 1under Congress it says the people of United States can establish a system of roads through Congress. Yes my argument is a huge stretch but so is the idea that bearing arms allows one to own an AR 15 or some other assault type weapon.

 

[phgreek]

A car is designed as transportation and unfortunately people can get hurt or killed in accidents. A gun is designed to maim or kill if it has an accident something lives.

seems a sound and clever comparison...

I get it...you have no use for guns, so to you they are more like a cigarette because the only use you can fathom ends poorly. I would suggest you not have one, feeling as you do, because it may have a negative effect on your health...the stress and all...well and I'd hate for you to pick one up and light the end by accident...ya know.

Even when I apply your general attitude/characterization of guns...I hunt, I fish in wilderness areas ...indeed, a gun is meant to kill, and has utility to me for that purpose as I'm out pursuing happiness.

So your analogy between a gun and cigarette seems not to hold up in my experiences.

 

[phgreek]

What the? Agreed some guns have useful functions (some shotguns for hunting, etc) but Assault rifles are only used to kill people, no other function. You don't take an assault rifle hunting do you?

I think I've made my view pretty clear in this thread. I really don't have a use for ARs...but I'm not moved to ban them either. I think one can civilianize them, etc. I like limitations of capacity of direct inject "clips", I like clips that require two hands to change, I like forced cocking mechanisms...say after 3-5 rounds or something...but as a platform, how is an AR more dangerous than my hunting rifle if some of those limitations are applied? Also, can you tell me what specific things are being done on the "social responsibility" side of this discussion. Is anyone proposing Life sentences for armed Robbery? I mean, you know as well as I there are things that MUST be done if folks are serious here...If a holisitc approach is not IMPLEMENTED (yes Mr. Obama will talk alot, but what will he actually support) beyond gun control, this discussion is pissing up a rope IMHO.

 

[phgreek]

Every compares guns to cars then it gets all up in arms when I suggest gun owners be licensed by the state to own a firearm and have insurance for their gun.

I get the old driving is a constitutional right and cars are not. If bear arms is equal to owning a gun then one make the case driving is a right to. Under article 1under Congress it says the people of United States can establish a system of roads through Congress. Yes my argument is a huge stretch but so is the idea that bearing arms allows one to own an AR 15 or some other assault type weapon.

Dude...Reaaaaaach.

I get what you are saying from a practical perspective...I don't entirely agree, but its not w/o logic. However deriving equivalent footing for these issues in the constitution...well thats gymnastics only achiveable in the famous (infamous) 9th circuit...

 

[DSully1995]

...and again, I use my weapons to put food on the table. Further, you cannot enjoy a cigarette w/o causing oneself harm

I can shoot skeet and target and engage in all manner of friendly competition making a weapon a pass time with BENEFITS to health...you can do NO such thing with a cigarette lest you use it like a freaking sparkler...???

Is skeet shooting worth the deaths howver? its a trade-off every has to decide


i agree on hunting guns should be available for that purpose, dunno how to manage that situation

 

[phgreek]

Is skeet shooting worth the deaths howver? its a trade-off every has to decide


i agree on hunting guns should be available for that purpose, dunno how to manage that situation

Skeet shooting is more an ancillary purpose for me, admittedly.

But many would argue that is the main purpose for a shotgun. I know literally hundreds of people who shoot skeet that never drew on an animal...or person....guns purposed for skeet shooting. Literally 3 generations of families who shoot 3-4 rounds a week in warm weather...never aimed at a living thing.

I think there is a tradeoff which says the extent to mans ingenuity and engineering prowess may not be covered under the second amendment.

 

[FLDomer]

What the? Agreed some guns have useful functions (some shotguns for hunting, etc) but Assault rifles are only used to kill people, no other function. You don't take an assault rifle hunting do you?

I actually use my AR for varmint hunting (woodchucks, coyotes) and have used it hog hunting too.

 

[JadeBrecks]

You can't break into my home, steal my opinion and kill 20 People with it.

No but you can screw families up leading to messed up children or kill those children before they even have a chance to be sitting in a class room at sandy hook. Abortion kills 1,200,000 children a year and you aren't going after that to save the children.

Also you can't break into my house and kill 20 people either.

What the? Agreed some guns have useful functions (some shotguns for hunting, etc) but Assault rifles are only used to kill people, no other function. You don't take an assault rifle hunting do you?

I know several people who take their "assault rifle" hunting. They use them for deer to even big game. I personally do use my "assault rifle" for hunting too. I use it to shoot raccoon wild dog and coyotes when them come around. I can tell you right now my ruger 10/22 is not the firearm to be trying to do that with. You will be putting my kids wife and dog at risk if you take those away.

Also have you ever been in a without rule of law situation? I was last year. Luckily for me my neighbors were smart enough to have enough supplies to live for a week without any help. Take a look at New York though. Those people were dumpster diving after five days. What do you think will happen when they find out my house is the one with all the food? Once again not a place for my ruger 10/22

Both of these situations are good uses for my "assault rifle". Both of them are also situations that could and have happened to me. If you take away my guns are you going to come over and defend my house and family during either situation? By the way you will have to be on call and be able to be here and ready in less than three minuets.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Hilarious "assault weapon" information from the Chicago Tribune...

So I have been out sick the last few days and not online much. This made me sicker, I think. Whoever wrote this piece ought to be tied up in a town square somewhere and the people should be able to throw rotten fruit and vegetables at him/her. Actually, they should actually mount a grenade launcher on the sling mount and make him/her go out and fire it.

This is the thing that makes me the most angry. People are trying to ban things they don't even understand or can't even identify.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

My exact thought. They try and scare the ignorant by making these rifles seem frightening. I'm sure plenty of idiots saw this and thought that these weapons need to be banned because of a grenade launcher attachment. The blind leading the blind.

 

[In Lou I Trust]