'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[ThePiombino]

Why would Gunner transfer?

Why does he have to wait until Golson is out of eligibility?

I have nothing against Golson but he wasn't impressive at all ...

LMAO this is where I stopped reading. Am I the only one?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Why would Gunner transfer?

Why does he have to wait until Golson is out of eligibility?

I have nothing against Golson but he wasn't impressive at all and don't give me this crap that he got ND to the national championship game and other than biased ND fans that can't look at the team objectively aren't impressed in the least with Golson.

There are some of us Goldon Domers who see what actually is rather than what others see through the blue and gold tinted glasses.

Golson seems like a great kid but he did nothing that warrants that he's the man, ND rode the front 7 of the defense to the national championship, the offense was never better than decent and that proves out his his ho-hum stats.

My point is that if it was another team that rode there defense to the NC game with Golson at the helm for the offense next to no ND fans would be claiming how good that QB is.

So really why would Gunner transfer now as it makes no sense to me as he's not stuck behind a top QB let alone a QB that's only from 1 class ahead of him like Golson is. In fact I'm not sure if Golson would rank as one of the top 50 QB's in college. Now if was behind Gunner was stuck behind Manziel it would make some sense as that is a QB that had 47 TD's with 9 INT'sm, Mariota with 37 TD's with 6 INT's Bridgewater who had 28 TD's to 8 INT's or Braxton Miller with 28 TD's and 6 INT's, then that would be a different story but he's behind Golson who didn't impress me at all with his consistent late passes that led to a total of 18TD's and 6 INT's.

I support and root for Golson as he's my teams QB but I'm not going to lie to myself and say that he's anywhere near the class of those I've mentioned and if you can't see the massive difference then there is no point in arguing the point because it's night and day.

LOL hysterically at the bolded part. If you didn't see the maturation in Golson and his abilities you're about the only one in America who didn't see it. No one is saying he's on those other QB's levels (oh, and by the way, COMPLETELY different systems and COMPLETELY different gameplans, but sure, those are fair comparisons LOL). I also talk to a ton of USC fans and even Michigan fans, and they to a man were impressed with Gunner late in the season, so again, you're way off on yet another point.

It's actually not even worth my time to debate it, and anyways, it's Gunner's thread.
And yes, Gunner will start off the de facto #2 BEHIND Golson (and essentially, Rees, if BK stays and there are emergency situations) and have to earn his way to #1. If he's as good as you state, then he'll unseat Golson. He better get better and get better quickly though; too bad for you that every single reporter who saw ND practice said that Golson was far ahead of the other QB's.

I'm all for giving Kiel props and an open competition, but to degrade Everett and make sh!t up while doing it???? Poor form...

 

[PraetorianND]

LMAO this is where I stopped reading. Am I the only one?

I stopped reading there too but I do think that there will be some sort of competition in the off season. We may have a presumed starter going into the off season but that doesn't mean it's going to be Golson in Sept.

 

[PraetorianND]

I don't doubt for a second that there should and likely will be a competition, but to be able to sit there and honestly say that what Golson did this year (as redshirt frosh no less!) was anything less than impressive told me all I needed to know about the quality of the remainder of that post.

Agree completely. Golson added an element that we haven't had in quite a while, dual threat. His progression from the Spring until the NCG was nothing short of amazing. His mobility and arm strength are fantastic and we have yet to see his true potential.

He was very impressive! Obviously not perfect but impressive nonetheless. Even Kirk was giving him praise while we were getting blown out.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

He was solid..no doubt and he does have a nice zip but still has some growing to do in terms of QB IQ and accuracy. He has trouble seeing over the middle and his pre-snap reads, while improving, are mildly above average. He ranked 75th in the nation in completion percentage and hopefully that improves.

All true.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

He was solid..no doubt and he does have a nice zip but still has some growing to do in terms of QB IQ and accuracy. He has trouble seeing over the middle and his pre-snap reads, while improving, are mildly above average. He ranked 75th in the nation in completion percentage and hopefully that improves.

Wouldn't argue any of that, but you'd be surprised how critical casual fans were of him this year. Luckily they aren't in charge.

 

[Grahambo]

All true.

Definitely has room to grow and we need him to. Kiel should have a healthy battle with EG this year and will most certainly be '1 one play away' from coming in and we've seen how fragile EG is. It will be interesting for sure.

 

[Grahambo]

Wouldn't argue any of that, but you'd be surprised how critical casual fans were of him this year. Luckily they aren't in charge.

Doesn't surprise me at all. I've seen the board the past day or two; nothing surprises me. haha

I see his potential and I push him towards it. Kiel will provide a great battle and it's not impossible for him to take over.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Definitely has room to grow and we need him to. Kiel should have a healthy battle with EG this year and will most certainly be '1 one play away' from coming in and we've seen how fragile EG is. It will be interesting for sure.

Yep. And my hope is that we'll be productive enough on offense that both will get time throughout the year. We'll be due for a few more blowouts, no?

 

[Grahambo]

Yep. And my hope is that we'll be productive enough on offense that both will get time throughout the year. We'll be due for a few more blowouts, no?

That's what I'm really hoping for this season..more blowouts.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

That's what I'm really hoping for this season..more blowouts.

It would help my blood pressure...and my liver...

 

[Grahambo]

It would help my blood pressure...and my liver...

Yup and my wife would see that I'm really not crazy. When the Stanford goalline stand occurred and I came sprinting towards here in a very D-Day invasion manner..yeah, she definitely thought twice at why she was married to me. lol

 

[ThePiombino]

Yup and my wife would see that I'm really not crazy. When the Stanford goalline stand occurred and I came sprinting towards here in a very D-Day invasion manner..yeah, she definitely thought twice at why she was married to me. lol

Gotta keep that spark in your marriage anyway you can my man.

 

[Grahambo]

Gotta keep that spark in your marriage anyway you can my man.

Agreed....however, the yelling..screaming..running..and my Marine background kinda made her defensive. lol

 

[Meacon Irish]

Ricochet's assessment screams of "I didn't watch the games this year, just looked at the statlines".

You can't just throw out stats and think that makes your case. Was Kliff Kingsbury or Timmy Chang the greatest college quarterbacks ever just because they threw for 50 touchdowns a year? I don't recall them getting in the National Championship. I'd rather have a QB that tosses 18 touchdowns and wins, than 50 and make the Cupcake Bowl.

To quote Mr. Ditka, "Cooooome ooooon, maaaaaaan."

 

[NCDomer]

I don't quite get the praise Golson garnered from the NCG. He played well, yet he made a ton of poor decisions. He continually threw at Milliner, the only defender you'd want to avoid throwing at. That's not playing strategically smart. Other than that, he played well.

Does that open the door for Kiel? I doubt it. Kiel also seems to draw far too much drama for someone who should be working for a leadership position. You want them to be your rocks. Even with Rees's dumb move over the summer, he said the right things and acted like a leader.

 

[Ironman8]

I don't quite get the praise Golson garnered from the NCG. He played well, yet he made a ton of poor decisions. He continually threw at Milliner, the only defender you'd want to avoid throwing at. That's not playing strategically smart. Other than that, he played well.

Does that open the door for Kiel? I doubt it. Kiel also seems to draw far too much drama for someone who should be working for a leadership position. You want them to be your rocks. Even with Rees's dumb move over the summer, he said the right things and acted like a leader.

Are you sure that was Golson alone, or could that have been an ill-conceived gameplan? Certainly seemed like they went to that well way too often for it now to have been a point of pregame focus at the very least.

 

[DANsanity15]

Things won't get any easier for either QB with Zaire coming in.

 

[AllGoldEverything]

Things won't get any easier for either QB with Zaire coming in.

Yep

 

[Freeman Ara]

As long as Kelly recruits a QB every cycle I think we will see a transfer every 2 years or so.

 

[phork]

Where does Rees fit in here?

 

[scUM Hater]

I don't quite get the praise Golson garnered from the NCG. He played well, yet he made a ton of poor decisions. He continually threw at Milliner, the only defender you'd want to avoid throwing at. That's not playing strategically smart. Other than that, he played well.

Does that open the door for Kiel? I doubt it. Kiel also seems to draw far too much drama for someone who should be working for a leadership position. You want them to be your rocks. Even with Rees's dumb move over the summer, he said the right things and acted like a leader.

I wasn't at the game. I only saw it on TV. I am wondering if Milliner was defending each reciever himself. Were the other recievers double-teamed? If so, was Golson seeing double coverage elsewhere so that is why he was going with the single coverage. If anyone was at the game and could tell me what they saw in coverage would be awesome. I realize on some of the other deeper throws the safety had time to come over and help.

 

[scUM Hater]

If you go back into Kelly's history, one year he played 7, yes 7, qb's in a single season. Injurys, replacements, etc. Can't exactly remember where or when. I will try to find that.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Where does Rees fit in here?

 

[jerboski]

Agreed....however, the yelling..screaming..running..and my Marine background kinda made her defensive. lol

Ha mine just looks at me rolls her eyes and says "Jer"

 

[Domina Nostra]

I wasn't at the game. I only saw it on TV. I am wondering if Milliner was defending each reciever himself. Were the other recievers double-teamed? If so, was Golson seeing double coverage elsewhere so that is why he was going with the single coverage. If anyone was at the game and could tell me what they saw in coverage would be awesome. I realize on some of the other deeper throws the safety had time to come over and help.

Saban's a smart man with a lot of weapons. Double team with your 4 star cover guys. 1 on1 with your All-American.

 

[Freeman Ara]

If you go back into Kelly's history, one year he played 7, yes 7, qb's in a single season. Injurys, replacements, etc. Can't exactly remember where or when. I will try to find that.

Believe it was UC. Pike was like 7th on the depth chart when he took over.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Where does Rees fit in here?

 

[gkautz10]

If Gunner comes in and pressures EG for the starting spot next season, I would say we are in pretty good shape at the QB position. I don't think position battles show a teams weakness at all as some critics of ND have done the last few off seasons. While Everett's stats were not glamorous by any means, look at the first half stats compared to the second half. The only reason Gunner would transfer right now would be if he was afraid of some competition, which I have not seen or heard anything that eludes to that. I look forward to the QB battle once again this spring and fall.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Why would Gunner transfer?

Why does he have to wait until Golson is out of eligibility?

I have nothing against Golson but he wasn't impressive at all and don't give me this crap that he got ND to the national championship game and other than biased ND fans that can't look at the team objectively aren't impressed in the least with Golson.

There are some of us Goldon Domers who see what actually is rather than what others see through the blue and gold tinted glasses.

Golson seems like a great kid but he did nothing that warrants that he's the man, ND rode the front 7 of the defense to the national championship, the offense was never better than decent and that proves out his his ho-hum stats.

My point is that if it was another team that rode there defense to the NC game with Golson at the helm for the offense next to no ND fans would be claiming how good that QB is.

So really why would Gunner transfer now as it makes no sense to me as he's not stuck behind a top QB let alone a QB that's only from 1 class ahead of him like Golson is. In fact I'm not sure if Golson would rank as one of the top 50 QB's in college. Now if was behind Gunner was stuck behind Manziel it would make some sense as that is a QB that had 47 TD's with 9 INT'sm, Mariota with 37 TD's with 6 INT's Bridgewater who had 28 TD's to 8 INT's or Braxton Miller with 28 TD's and 6 INT's, then that would be a different story but he's behind Golson who didn't impress me at all with his consistent late passes that led to a total of 18TD's and 6 INT's.

I support and root for Golson as he's my teams QB but I'm not going to lie to myself and say that he's anywhere near the class of those I've mentioned and if you can't see the massive difference then there is no point in arguing the point because it's night and day.

So essentially what you're saying is "I didn't watch a single game this year, and don't know what the f*ck I'm talking about."