Martin and Nix to return

[Greystoke]

Anyone else think that Cierre's draft grade probably won't be that stellar? I think he will end up with us for one more year. Which is win win for everyone; we get him back, and he increases his stock for the draft next season, helping his family more so in the long run. Just a thought.

 

[fitz_bu47]

I think Cierre is gone. Running backs don't have long careers, and everyone knows it, including these kids. I think if he comes back w/ a 3-5th round grade he probably goes b/c his grade isn't going to jump to 1st after another season in South Bend....in my opinion. The scouts have seen what they need to from him, add the combine to that and you have his draft status.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I, too, think Cierre is gone.. which I also think is a good thing in a way.. we wouldn't have someone who is coming back just because they're invested in elevating their draft stock plus we would be able to see what GAIII, Carlisle, Mahone and Bryant have and find a stud..

obviously not trying to put down Cierre in any way, and not even saying that would be his reason.. I just like to see things as half full lol.. I'd love to have him back, but if he decides to leave, I'll still try to look at it as half full

 

[South Jersey Domer]

Zack Martin should be a preseason All-American in 2013 as should Louis Nix. Both are, and always have been, reliable.

 

[tankjeep]

awesome news!!!!

 

[Irish To The Core]

Great news. I agree that Cierre will almost surely enter the draft. We have depth and talent coming back so that should not be a big deal. Atkinson, Carlisle, McDaniel, Bryant, Mahone and ? will be running behind a very good O Line.

 

[NDhoosier]

I kind of agree with GreyStoke. I believe Wood has every intention of leaving, but I dont think he will like his draft grade. Where does everyone think Wood will go? I doubt any of you have him high on your imaginary board.

 

[ChiND03]

Additionally, Cierre is going to get a grade from the draft board, and base his decision on that.

A lot of scouts view Cierre as a pure running back only...They are questioning his pass blocking as well as his catching ability. Therefore, they have viewed him as a late round draft pick.

 

[RDU Irish]

I would peg his stock directly to his 40. If he is 4.4 he is a 3-4th rounder, if he is 4.5 he drops to 5-7th round. Much less than that and I could see him undrafted. If he is dead set on going pro, I think he has confidence in his combine numbers (then again, he has never lacked confidence).

If he is committed to becoming a better player, coming back and showing big strides in pass blocking and catching (don't remember the last time I saw him catch a ball) I think he bumps to a possible 2nd round pick and reduces downside dramatically to being more attractive if the forty is disappointing.

 

[irishmarine]

I think he may look and talk to manti and Tyler and ask them for some guidance. Look what their senior season did for them. I understand the financial aspect if it but in the long run a return to SB would benefit him greater I believe.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Additionally, Cierre is going to get a grade from the draft board, and base his decision on that.

Seriously? He may end up in the military?

This news, Martin, Watt, and Nix back is as big for next year's team as Eifert and Te'o coming back for this years.

NOTE: I am not directly comparing recruits value. I don't do that. I am comparing IMPACT. This is huge in leadership and in the trenches!

By the way, particularly good posts on this thread gentlemen, clear and concise opinions.

Here is a trend: (almost) Everyone wants to come back. No disrespect to Cierre, but his mom floated the same kind of trial baloon the best politicians do; she outlined his reasons, which most were supportive of, explained his postition, and showed great respect for Our Lady. Who could blame him if he goes? Shark had a great point on the last page. This is the rarest of conditions, possible addition by subtraction, where everybody is a class player. It would just because the glass is so full it is overflowing, to borrow from the optimist. That there are two many good players and not enough play time.

Bryant and Folston should tell you what the staff thinks will happen.

 

[ickythump1225]

Great news about Martin and Nix! As for Wood, I think he's gone. Running Backs have short career spans so it's best to go now. He has his college degree already and the thing to keep in mind is running back's aren't like quarterbacks or other positions where only one plays all the time. Most teams rotate their running backs in and out and some teams use up to 3 running backs for their rotation. So even if he goes in the 5th round he'll still get on the field and get a chance to prove himself for a bigger paycheck later on down the road.

 

[rikkitikki08]

All Cierre needs to do is look at one ex ND player who's name is Darius Walker. Dude got graded as a 4th or 5th round prospect and so he left and went undrafted. Lets be honest Cierre isn't going to be drafted in the first 4 rounds.


Also Martin coming back is huge simply for the fact it keeps most of our offensive line together for another year as well as he can pass on his wisdom to the younger guys.

And Nix is literally just huge......Best Noseguard in college football

 

[johnnykillz]

All Cierre needs to do is look at one ex ND player who's name is Darius Walker. Dude got graded as a 4th or 5th round prospect and so he left and went undrafted. Lets be honest Cierre isn't going to be drafted in the first 4 rounds.


Also Martin coming back is huge simply for the fact it keeps most of our offensive line together for another year as well as he can pass on his wisdom to the younger guys.

And Nix is literally just huge......Best Noseguard in college football

Solid counter.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I think it will all depend on how hard Kelly 'recruits' Wood. Kelly did a darn good job getting a few to stay for their Senior year this year. I'm quite sure Kelly will sit down with Wood after the evaluation to see where Wood goes in the draft. So far, there are a lot of plus signals coming from ND camp on those coming back and this may help Kelly sell Wood for another year.

As far as what round Wood could be drafted will merely depend on need and who goes ahead of him as running backs. Right now, Wood is projected as the 26th running back which puts him well after the 6th or 7th round.

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GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[rikkitikki08]

I think it will all depend on how hard Kelly 'recruits' Wood. Kelly did a darn good job getting a few to stay for their Senior year this year. I'm quite sure Kelly will sit down with Wood after the evaluation to see where Wood goes in the draft. So far, there are a lot of plus signals coming from ND camp on those coming back and this may help Kelly sell Wood for another year.

As far as what round Wood could be drafted will merely depend on need and who goes ahead of him as running backs. Right now, Wood is projected as the 26th running back which puts him well after the 6th or 7th round.

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GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

See I understand he has a child to take care of, I get that. But it would be really dumb for him to leave because he can do nothing but help his draft stock by staying an extra year.......But I can say that with no bias, while he has a shot at playing football for a living so I suppose I get it

 

[Dizzyphil]

See I understand he has a child to take care of, I get that. But it would be really dumb for him to leave because he can do nothing but help his draft stock by staying an extra year.......But I can say that with no bias, while he has a shot at playing football for a living so I suppose I get it

This is going to be a primary factor IMO as well. Two things in Wood's favor, the ND diploma and NFL choice. Very heavy factors to weigh!!!!!!

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[johnnykillz]

CBK would need to sell him by increasing the number of touches he would get.

It would be up to Wood to improve the results.

As aforementioned, an experienced OL helps a lot.

We have quality backs behind him also.

 

[kmoose]

I kind of agree with GreyStoke. I believe Wood has every intention of leaving, but I dont think he will like his draft grade. Where does everyone think Wood will go? I doubt any of you have him high on your imaginary board.

It's pretty much known, that a team can pick up a decent RB in Free Agency in the NFL. So you have to be a pretty well established, or exceptional talent, in order to go in the first day of the draft. So I suspect Wood will project as a 2nd day pick. If he comes back, he has the opportunity to become the featured back on a team that should contend for the title game, again, next year. That kind of hype is rare, so there *is* a decision to be made there.

 

[NDhoosier]

^ Agreed, it just depends on how set Wood is on making some money to support his daughter. Does he go get the money now or wait and try to improve his draft stock to earn a bigger paycheck? Either way, I wont be too upset, the kid has his degree from ND, I just hope it works out well for him.

 

[philipm31]

This is going to be a primary factor IMO as well. Two things in Wood's favor, the ND diploma and NFL choice. Very heavy factors to weigh!!!!!!

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

Nix's mother has what ten kids to feed, or did when he grew up and he stayed because his mother told him too, even though HE would be a first day NFL draft pick, easily.

Personally, I think that Wood needs to have a big game for us to be able to keep AL off-balance and keep Theo fresh throughout the game.

Even then, I don't know if EITHER RB is a first day pickup, anyway. Last ND RB that went in the first round was Bettis, right, so there is a major decision for Cierre to make, that much is certain.

And besides the NFL is only for about 5 years for a RB, if not less. An ND diploma is life-altering and sets you up well for the rest of your life. So, even if NFL does not pan out for him, Cierre can still parlay his diploma into something very worthwhile.

 

[Chamellion]

Nix's mother has what ten kids to feed, or did when he grew up and he stayed because his mother told him too, even though HE would be a first day NFL draft pick, easily.

Personally, I think that Wood needs to have a big game for us to be able to keep AL off-balance and keep Theo fresh throughout the game.

Even then, I don't know if EITHER RB is a first day pickup, anyway. Last ND RB that went in the first round was Bettis, right, so there is a major decision for Cierre to make, that much is certain.

And besides the NFL is only for about 5 years for a RB, if not less. An ND diploma is life-altering and sets you up well for the rest of your life. So, even if NFL does not pan out for him, Cierre can still parlay his diploma into something very worthwhile.

Not an opinion. No team would be crazy enough to draft either of our current RBs in the first 4 rounds. Only exceptional talents (Jonas Gray pre-injury levels) and players with incredible production get taken. Our guys don't have either.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

See I understand he has a child to take care of, I get that. But it would be really dumb for him to leave because he can do nothing but help his draft stock by staying an extra year.......But I can say that with no bias, while he has a shot at playing football for a living so I suppose I get it

He could suffer a career ending injury.

This is going to be a primary factor IMO as well. Two things in Wood's favor, the ND diploma and NFL choice. Very heavy factors to weigh!!!!!!

Since he sat out his freshman year, Cierre will leave ND with his diploma in hand regardless of whether he returns for a 5Y. There's a big difference between Nix returning to get his degree and Wood returning for a superfluous 5Y.

 

[koonja]

Honestly, if I were Cierre and I was going to get drafted at all, I would go now. He's a RB and not an elite one at that. Short NFL life for RBs, plus one knee injury and you're chances of making a career in the NFL go from about 1/2 to 1/8 (totally made these numbers up, but it's drastic).

 

[johnnykillz]

I think Cierre would be a top 5 back with 80% workload.

That's my opinion.

 

[philipm31]

I think Cierre would be a top 5 back with 80% workload.

That's my opinion.

So you think that Theo is a Top 5 RB now?

Theo is a versatile back that would be perfect for the WC type of offense, but even then he is pretty much a 3rd down back, ala Kevin Faulk. I don't know if we have any RB that is an elite RB, yet, at ND.

 

[ThePiombino]

So you think that Theo is a Top 5 RB now?

Theo is a versatile back that would be perfect for the WC type of offense, but even then he is pretty much a 3rd down back, ala Kevin Faulk. I don't know if we have any RB that is an elite RB, yet, at ND.

Are you under the impression that Riddick sees 80% of the workload?

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[Dizzyphil]

He could suffer a career ending injury.



Since he sat out his freshman year, Cierre will leave ND with his diploma in hand regardless of whether he returns for a 5Y. There's a big difference between Nix returning to get his degree and Wood returning for a superfluous 5Y.

Guess I should have worded it different,.....

What I meant was either way, NFL or ND diploma, he will live comfortably and be able to support his child.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[philipm31]

Are you under the impression that Riddick sees 80% of the workload?

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The last month he pretty much has been the main back, and Wood has not seen the field much. The last memory most people have of him is fumbling in the air in OT vs. Pitt, not his rumble for over sixty yards against WFU.

So yeah, I think that NOW Wood gets maybe to see the field twenty percent of the time.

I personally think that he needs to get on the field and help keep AL offbalance, but my only point is that Wood would not be a Top 5 RB even with that kind of workload.

IMO, of course.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Regardless of Wood's decision, I know we all (as Cierre Wood fans) can say, "Mr. Wood, thank you for your hard play for the Irish. Whatever decision you make, you will have fans for the rest of your life!!!!!"

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!

Diz