The Mega Mitch Mustain Rumor Thread (Merged)

The Mega Mitch Mustain Rumor Thread (Merged)

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domerfor life

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weisfaninmass said:
That is the "DUH" post of the year. No kidding. Where did you read:
a. i want this to happen
b. i think this is good for ND
c. will happen.

Dude calm your nerves. I was just touching on the thought of Brady leaving which I will quit doing because it makes me want to drink. lol Everybody needs to Relax, Relate, and Release. I'll go with the Woooooooosaaaa.....Woooooooosaaa. Don't forget your pressure points. Can we talk Fiesta? I think we all are just bored to tears and are finding anything to fill up the dead space.
 

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domerfor life said:
Dude calm your nerves. I was just touching on the thought of Brady leaving which I will quit doing because it makes me want to drink. lol Everybody needs to Relax, Relate, and Release. I'll go with the Woooooooosaaaa.....Woooooooosaaa. Don't forget your pressure points. Can we talk Fiesta? I think we all are just bored to tears and are finding anything to fill up the dead space.
Come on weisfan, try it. Wooooooooooooosaaaaaa.......Wooooosaaaaaaaa.
Man, we must be bored.
 

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Down time between bye weeks and bowl games is just horrendous.

Once recruiting ends, what the hell are we going to do?
 

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jiggafini19 said:
Down time between bye weeks and bowl games is just horrendous.
Once recruiting ends, what the hell are we going to do?

Get some work done.
 

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They are starting to look at juniors now and will be focusing on them in January. Where do you see the down time in recruiting?
 
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irishnd31 said:
Come on weisfan, try it. Wooooooooooooosaaaaaa.......Wooooosaaaaaaaa.
Man, we must be bored.

ok - i am on board (and bored too -- watched USC game replay on HD -- it was lightning here in Boston during the todays snowstorm just as Trevor Laws sacked Leinart with 1:44 left.....talk about eery.

Wooooooooosaaa......
 

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jiggafini19 said:
Down time between bye weeks and bowl games is just horrendous.
Once recruiting ends, what the hell are we going to do?

I think we might actually work, Jigg
 

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weisfaninmass said:
ok - i am on board (and bored too -- watched USC game replay on HD -- it was lightning here in Boston during the todays snowstorm just as Trevor Laws sacked Leinart with 1:44 left.....talk about eery.
Wooooooooosaaa......

There you go! That's the spirit! LMAO!
 

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domerfor life said:
I think we might actually work, Jigg


no...i sneak into my office every half hour or so and browse all my favorite sites..

irishenvy.com
bgi.rivals.com
bluegraysky.blogspot.com
ndnation..

work is overated
 

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nayers said:
no...i sneak into my office every half hour or so and browse all my favorite sites..
irishenvy.com
bgi.rivals.com
bluegraysky.blogspot.com
ndnation..
work is overated

Worst time of year for me. Thanksgiving to December 31 no one moves in my industry. No buying, no selling. Year end inventory. Horrible.

Best part about it: Dec. 23-Jan. 2 off.

Football wise, not much to talk about.
 

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jiggafini19 said:
Worst time of year for me. Thanksgiving to December 31 no one moves in my industry. No buying, no selling. Year end inventory. Horrible.
Best part about it: Dec. 23-Jan. 2 off.
Football wise, not much to talk about.

This is pretty sad. Jan. 2nd can't come fast enough for me.
 

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It's A Done Deal
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Arkansas announced several changes to the football coaching staff on Friday, and the biggest came at a 1 p.m. press conference when coach Houston Nutt introduced former Springdale (Ark.) High School coach Gus Malzahn as the new offensive coordinator.

Former Springdale coach Gus Malzahn was announced as the new Arkansas offensive coordinator on Friday

The coaching search went on for about two weeks, but there was widespread speculation that Malzahn would be hired as a UA assistant for some time. Malzahn, who led Springdale to an undefeated season and the 5A state championship, was almost hired three years ago by Nutt, but the timing seemed perfect this time.

"I know it's been a long time, a very anxious time for our fans, and I just want to let you all know as your head football coach, this has been a very tough time," Nutt said. "You're dealing with people's lives. You're dealing with changes. You're recruiting, and it's also one of the greatest days I think Arkansas has ever had. I believe that."

Malzahn has been busy the past few days, specifically traveling with Springdale quarterback Mitch Mustain and his numerous all-star and player of the year awards. The pair recently went to New York for a presentation, and earlier this week Mustain was named Gatorade National Player of the Year.

"It's a true honor for me to be here," Malzahn said. "The thing about it, I love Arkansas, and I love the Razorbacks, and it's a true honor for me to be the offensive coordinator of the Arkansas Razorbacks today."

Malzahn has all the credentials one wants in a young up-and-coming coach. And as Nutt said, traveling through the high school ranks is common among college and NFL coaches.

"It's a great day for high school coaches. I have an awesome respect for high school coaches. My father was a high school coach for 33 years," Nutt said. "You can name names after name. Larry Coker was a high school coach. Jimmy Johnson was a high school coach. Pat Jones, on and on and on. I'm happy today that we have another great high school football coach that's coming to join us on the college level, and I'm so excited. This thing didn't really get finalized until last night, Thursday night."

Malzahn is anxious to get started. He addressed his team at 10 a.m. Friday morning to address the situation, a situation that was not finalized until around 11:30 p.m. Thursday.

"It's a huge challenge, but I've always been up for challenges," Malzahn said. "I totally believe that God has blessed me with a unique ability to know offense, to call offense, and I'm truly excited to be here and can't wait to get started."

Malzahn employed a wide-open attack last season at Springdale. His passing philosophies should work well with the SEC's top rushing attack, an attack that averaged over 216 yards per game on the ground last season.

"I am what I am, and we will run the hurry-up at times and go from there," he said.

The UA head Hog also likes the idea of combining the two philosophies for a more balanced attack on offense.

"We have a very good running game, but now with the compliment he brings in the meeting room now is a fit," Nutt said. "It's a win-win. You're going to see. We always believed in one thing. We believe in balance. You want to be able to run the football and pass the football. You believe in screens. You believe in spreading the ball and the vertical passing game. You believe in all those things. So, that's his expertise. That's what we're excited about."

Nutt has been impressed with Malzahn as a coach since his days at Hughes (Ark.) and at Shiloh Christian in Springdale. But his most impressive showings have been with Springdale High School the past couple of years.

"The one thing you'll see if you went to Springdale to watch them practice is unbelievable organization, everybody going from one drill to the next," Nutt said. "There's a quickness, there's a quickness, there's a quickness every time a horn blows. There's repetition, there's a repetition, repetition. That's what football's about, getting better. They have the ability to get people better, and the one thing I love is that he's a teacher, first."

Other moves in the football program include assistants Chris Vaughn and Clifton Ealy moving to director of on-campus recruiting and director of high school relations, respectively. Former wideouts coach James Shibest will now focus on tight ends. Former director of football operations Louis Campbell will coach defensive backs, which he has done many years before his latest role. Rob Taylor will take over as director of football operations. Former quarterbacks coach Roy Wittke is no longer with the team.

There is one more hire to be made, and the new coach will take over wide receivers or quarterbacks, depending on who is the best fit. Malzahn will coach the other position that is not coached by the new hire. Vaughn and Ealy will resume their current roles with the team until after signing day on Feb. 1.
 

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So does this mean Bartley Webb is going to Arkansas too?

What a joke. Roy Wittke will land on his feet. A great coach and tremendous recruiter.

Hopefully Mustain now stays with Arkansas and this moronic foolishness is put to rest.

Again, this was a bunch of hapless, hopeless Arkansas fans hitting the big red panic button because Mitch Mustain is the pinnacle to all of their hopes and dreams for this football team.

Mitchy ain't coming to Notre Dame, Demetrius Jones doesn't have trouble with the cops and Zach Frazer doesn't have character issues.
 

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Absolutely pathetic that you have to go out and sign a HS coach to keep a recruit, but hey, it's their program. I hope this puts the Mustain rumors to rest.
 

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Absolutely pathetic that you have to go out and sign a HS coach to keep a recruit, but hey, it's their program. I hope this puts the Mustain rumors to rest.

Roy Wittke recruited this kid!! He was the contact all along. And what he did for Matt Jones? Come on.

They had a freshman QB this year after Jones was drafted.
 

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Roy Wittke recruited this kid!! He was the contact all along. And what he did for Matt Jones? Come on.

They had a freshman QB this year after Jones was drafted.

What's going to be funny is if Mustain decides to go to Tennessee or elsewhere. Wonder how long they keep Gus on the bus.
 
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Actually I think this is how it went down...

Malzahn: "Hey Mitch It doesn't look like they are going to hire me at all!" "Do you think you could pull your commitment to get me hired? You know just put a little pressure on them..."

Mustain: "Sure coach, whatever you need"

-Batch
 

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Mustain tells paper he has reopened recruitment
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SPRINGDALE, Ark. -- Quarterback Mitch Mustain, who had committed to Arkansas, has reopened his recruitment, a newspaper reported.

ESPN.com ranks Mustain as the second best high school quarterback recruit in the nation. Overall, he is ranked as the seventh-best recruit in the United States.

Mustain told The Morning News that he's met with Arkansas head coach Houston Nutt and offensive coordinator, Gus Malzahn, Mustain's high school coach hired last week to call plays for the Razorbacks. To make room for Malzahn, the Razorbacks had quarterbacks coach Roy Wittke step down.

"I knew that if Coach Nutt was going to hire an offensive coordinator, regardless of who he chose, it would likely mean the firing of Coach Wittke," Mustain said of the coach who recruited him at Arkansas.

Last week, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette newspaper of Little Rock, citing Mustain's mother Beck Campbell, reported that Mustain was "in limbo" about where he would go to college. She later distanced herself from the report.

"We're in the process of trying to put out fires that somebody decided to start -- beyond our control. Right now, until that gets straightened out, I can't comment on anything," Campbell said.

She told the Democrat-Gazette that Mustain was influenced by the then-uncertainty regarding Wittke and the return of assistant David Cutcliffe to Tennessee. Cutcliffe coached both Peyton and Eli Manning.

In The Morning News report, Mustain wouldn't name the schools on his list or detail his reasons for backing out of his commitment to the Razorbacks.

"Out of respect for the people involved, I don't want to get into details about it," Mustain told the newspaper.

Mustain, who threw for 3,817 yards and 47 touchdowns this season, has several weeks to make a decision. National signing day is Feb. 1.

Mustain was named last week as the Gatorade national football player of the year.

Nutt and Malzhan can't comment on Mustain because it is against NCAA rules to discuss any recruit before they have signed with the school.
 

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They fire the guy that recruited him and hire his HS coach?

This is about as bizarre as Ryan Perrilloux switching from Texas to LSU late last year on Signing Day.

I'm glad Frazer and Jones have verified they're staying put. Mitchy sounds like more trouble than he's worth.
 

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I don't think Mitch has done anything wrong here. He's in a tough spot with his hometown team in turmoil and his own HS coach being right in the middle of it.

The pressure the local kids get down south is often times overbearring.

But I'll echo the sentiment about Frazer and Jones, jigg. You and I are driving the Jones bandwagon.
 

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She told the Democrat-Gazette that Mustain was influenced by the then-uncertainty regarding Wittke and the return of assistant David Cutcliffe to Tennessee. Cutcliffe coached both Peyton and Eli Manning

Let's see:

Mustain can stay home and fullfill his boyhood dream of callin' in the hawgs. He takes his multimillion dollar arm and NFL aspirations and plays another 4 years under his HS coach who'll get OJT by the Bama Defense. And while his HS coach is his Offensive Coordinator, Nutt has yet to hire the QB Coach. A coaching staff in flux with the HC probably fired next year as he's running out of assistants to sacrifice to the angry hord. At best his team would be playing for 4th place in the SEC West.

He can go to Tennessee who's salivating for a QB and would name a street after him in 4 years. They just rehired Cutcliffe the guy that courted Mustain as the Ole Miss HC, and that brought him to see ND as ND's OC (briefly). The QB maestro mom noted, "coached both Peyton and Eli Manning". He'd have a much better supporting cast than at ARK. With Cutcliffe calling plays, Phat Phil should return to his prominence as one of the winningest coaches in Div 1and Tennessee should play for the SEC Championship.

He can go to South Carolina for tutelage under Spurrier. Despite his unethical voting pattern and NFL visit, Spurrier still can coach college football based on the incredibile turnaround at SCAR this year. Supporting cast is probably comparable to ARK's but should improve quicker with a stable coaching situation and ability to recruit out of state (Florida connection if nothing else) and could challenge for 3rd in the SEC East.

He can go to Notre Dame (IF CW wants to deal with the disruption in the force AND can find a slot) to develop ala Quinn under the Weis and Vaas. He'd have a quality OLine in front of him instead of being beaten like a rag doll as UGA defenders did to Bama's QB Croyle. And he'd play for the National Championship.
 

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jiggafini19 said:
They fire the guy that recruited him and hire his HS coach?
This is about as bizarre as Ryan Perrilloux switching from Texas to LSU late last year on Signing Day.
I'm glad Frazer and Jones have verified they're staying put. Mitchy sounds like more trouble than he's worth.

Contrasting Perrilloux and Mustain is BS and so was the "Mitchy" swipe.

Perrilloux was a prima donna and there were serious academic issues. Texas's program wasn't foundering, was it? Mack Brown been's peeling off 10 win seasons. Mack Brown wasn't scrambling to save his job like Nutt, was he? Nor did he hire a high school coach as a OJT OC, did he?

Do you have some substance for the "more trouble than he's worth" comment or just innuendo? Mustain wasn't the QB that verballed to ND to secure a slot then said he still wanted to take visits to look around, was he?

Had Cutcliffe not had a heart attack, Mustain might well be headed to ND even if he didn't play in the Chicago Public School League.

Seems like Mustain is taking prudent assessment of the rapidly changing situations at Arkansas and Tennessee, his long term career goals and how best to achieve them. Strikes me as pretty smart.

This is a prime time athlete that has the talent to play on Sunday's not somebody hoping to play in a Division II Playoff.
 
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Looking at Mustain from a longer range perspective, I think we should want him to go to Tennessee vs Arkansas. That would put a real damper on Jimmy Clausen wanting to follow his brothers at Rocky Top University. Both Jones and Fraser (with any luck) will not have to play next year so the 'heir apparent' Irish quarterback will not be known. Therefore Clausen will not really feel threatened by Jones and Fraser and believe he will be able to start early in his career.
 

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With us getting two quality qbs this year and heavily recruiting clausen next year does anyone think that jones might switch to wr? I just dont see two of the three taking a backseat to the other,
 

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weisfaninmass said:
Looking at Mustain from a longer range perspective, I think we should want him to go to Tennessee vs Arkansas. That would put a real damper on Jimmy Clausen wanting to follow his brothers at Rocky Top University. Both Jones and Fraser (with any luck) will not have to play next year so the 'heir apparent' Irish quarterback will not be known. Therefore Clausen will not really feel threatened by Jones and Fraser and believe he will be able to start early in his career.


Good recruiting angle but doesn't that increase the QB class imbalance instead of eliminating it? Wolke Sr, Sharpley JR, Jones and Fraser redshirt freshmen, Clausen true freshman.

That's leaves us starting the '07 season with everyone inexperienced. I think there has to be a heir apparent getting meaningful PT in '06 or kiss the '07 season goodbye. I want to see Jones and Fraser fighting for the #3 slot immediately and by midseason challenging for #2 PT.

If Clausen is anyway nearly as good as the salivating on the board over him, he's gonna push everybody when he's issued a playbook.
 

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This is a prime time athlete that has the talent to play on Sunday's not somebody hoping to play in a Division II Playoff.

True. Slightly uncalled for comment, but true.

Yes, I guess I'm biased towards Jones. But I'm also biased towards Frazer. Because they're here. And Mustain is not. I'm not sure how Jones and Frazer felt during all of this. I'm sure the coaches keep in touch with them, but I can't imagine being in their shoes and hearing some of what has been said over the past couple of weeks. Jones thinking, "It isn't me, it must be Zach." And vice versa. I also like to see kids in my community/city do well, being that I am involved on many levels both on and off the field.

Never compared the players, Mustain and Perilloux. I don't know them and probably shouldn't attack either one. The situations? Sure. I do know the situations and how magnified they were on the recruiting landscape. Compared the situations in relation to big recruiting stories of the respective years. And the best part is Mitch Mustain week probably won't be anything once Signing Day gets closer. Someone will shock the world and pull a switch or come out of left field.

Basically, this entire thread/story stemmed from a home visit by Weis to Mustain that may or may not have happened at all. Anyone have a credible source saying that it did? And as it turned out, neither one of our QBs took any other visits and remained loyal to Notre Dame. I believe Jones took one visit with his high school teammate, which occurs often. Before he left and after he returned, he reaffirmed his commitment to Notre Dame. Then after the banquet, he said there was no chance he'd go anywhere else. Frazer isn't taking any visits anywhere.

And the funny part is, all three kids pretty much laughed at fans, media and boards like ours about the rumors and stories that were going on. At least Jones and Frazer did.

Which allowed us to make personal attacks on each other.

I wasn't D-I A or an NFL player. I wake up in cold sweats every night of my late 20's remembering it. That dream died when I was about 16. Bob Davie never called. But he never called a lot of people. I went to school for free, got a master's. I hope Mustain can do the same, and go beyond anything he ever dreamed for himself.

A person I happen to know lost his job in the middle of this situation. So, right or wrong, I'm compelled to feel slightly bitter toward Arkansas, Nutt, Mustain and his coach whether they deserve it or not. Maybe he deserved it. There must be something behind the scenes that caused it because I can't seem to see a good reason as to why. But time doesn't allow me to keep up on Razorback football. It allows me, though, to remain loyal to my other "family" and to defend them whether I know all the facts or not.

But I don't know the whole story and don't really care anymore. ND has their guys.
 
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BGIF said:
Good recruiting angle but doesn't that increase the QB class imbalance instead of eliminating it? Wolke Sr, Sharpley JR, Jones and Fraser redshirt freshmen, Clausen true freshman.
That's leaves us starting the '07 season with everyone inexperienced. I think there has to be a heir apparent getting meaningful PT in '06 or kiss the '07 season goodbye. I want to see Jones and Fraser fighting for the #3 slot immediately and by midseason challenging for #2 PT.
If Clausen is anyway nearly as good as the salivating on the board over him, he's gonna push everybody when he's issued a playbook.
You raise a "wish list" good point but I don't see the QB situation being clear for the following reasons:
1. The Irish hopefully will be making a run at the National Championship so BQ will be getting most/all of the snaps
2. BQ will be pushing for a Heisman so I don't see CW pulling him out early (Leinart played alot of minutes this year).
3. In blow outs, CW has the QB handoff exclusively.
4. 07 is going to be a challenging year bc not only will BQ be gone, but so will Samardzija, McKnight, the OLine, Big Vic etc.
 
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