Coaching: BK and the NFL, Diaco and Head Coaching

[PraetorianND]

So the issue of Diaco moving on to take a head coaching job somewhere has been discussed at length.

I just got done reading an article about Chip Kelly having to make a decision to coach in the NFL. Is it possible that BK could be on that track with a couple of good seasons? Or is BK the college coach for life type?

Discuss.

 

[Riddickulous]

Why in the world would Kelly leave for the NFL?

 

[phillyirish]

I doubt BK would ever leave Notre Dame for the NFL. If he has a couple of great years he will get paid more than most NFL coaches. And he truly wants to be hear. The only exception would be if he were here for 10 years and eventually just wanted something new.

Diaco on the other hand probably won't be here after next year at the most.

 

[IrishLion]

I think it depends on the progression of the offense in the next few seasons. If the defense continues to play exceptional football (it will), and BK decides to stick with the run-focused offense rather than his high-flying spread attack, it may be telling about his intentions.

He has the proper QB's on the roster (Golson, Kiel, and incoming Zaire) to run the full spread passing attack that he liked at UC and CMU, but if he stays conservative it will show that he is just as capable at developing a run-heavy system. If he wins a couple BCS games or a national championship, and sticks with the run-first offense for the duration, I could see him going to the next level and trying to implement his balanced offense with an NFL team.

 

[Pachuco]

Wasn't the collective just talking about how awful both these guys are?

See Tulsa (Kelly). See Navy (Diaco).

Totally in over their heads.

 

[Grahambo]

I don't think BK is the NFL type. College seems to be his niche.

 

[PraetorianND]

Why in the world would Kelly leave for the NFL?

Love posts like this...

 

[greyhammer90]

I think it depends on the progression of the offense in the next few seasons. If the defense continues to play exceptional football (it will), and BK decides to stick with the run-focused offense rather than his high-flying spread attack, it may be telling about his intentions.

He has the proper QB's on the roster (Golson, Kiel, and incoming Zaire) to run the full spread passing attack that he liked at UC and CMU, but if he stays conservative it will show that he is just as capable at developing a run-heavy system. If he wins a couple BCS games or a national championship, and sticks with the run-first offense for the duration, I could see him going to the next level and trying to implement his balanced offense with an NFL team.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

It sounds like Saturday could be a showcase of a more high-powered offense, higher-tempo offense since he said they ran 118 plays in practice instead of the previous 80.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Can someone explain to me why Chip Kelly is always linked to NFL jobs?!?!

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Why in the world would Kelly leave for the NFL?

/end thread

 

[IrishLion]

Well, I'm not sure if you disagree greatly or you don't want that to be the case haha

 

[GreatGolson]

I know its early to be thinking about this, but maybe give diaco an exstension with a "coach in waiting" clause?

 

[greyhammer90]

I know its early to be thinking about this, but maybe give diaco an exstension with a "coach in waiting" clause?

no. ND will never and should never hire a first time head coach ever again. EVER. AGAIN.

 

[McGlovin]

This is the first year that Diaco has been overly successful, and the year isn't even over yet...now the guy is a huge national candidate for head coaching gigs? He's gonna have to build a bit more of a resume, unless he wants to coach at Mt. Union. Not to mention there's so many guys ahead of him as far as successful assistants go...slow down folks.

 

[JadeBrecks]

It sounds like Saturday could be a showcase of a more high-powered offense, higher-tempo offense since he said they ran 118 plays in practice instead of the previous 80.

We have been waiting for the high-tempo offense since Kelly got here. I will believe it when I see it.

I also don't fear Kelly going to the NFL anywhere near Diaco coaching somewhere else. Like mentioned above I think Kelly's niche is in college football. Diaco though has made such a great showing that I fear a lot of teams will have him on their radar when their head coach position opens up. My only hope is he enjoys what he does here so much that he want to stay here and be a part of whats going on.

 

[Irish YJ]

Way too early for either discussion, but I'll bite. Assuming BK and Diaco continue to be successful.... IMO

Kelly going to NFL in next 5 years - 1%
Kelly going to the NFL in 6-10 years - 10%
Kelly going to the NFL in 10+ years - 50%
Diaco going to a Major D1 next year - 5%
Diaco going to a Major D1 in 2-3 years - 10%
Diaco going to a minor D1 next year - 10%
Diaco going to a minor D1 in 2-3 years - 50%

I'd like to think BK is a lifer, but we all know $#!+ happens. He does have a background in politics, so I could see an NFL career in his mid to long term future. Diaco,,, more complicated. He will get calls from the minor D1s end of season. Likely ones that will be a complete rebuild, or a long term HC retiring. It think it will be a question of "I think I'm ready, and I'm going to prove it", or "I'm going hang for a couple years, create a power resume, and wait for the right job", or, my favorite, "I love being a DC, hate the spotlight, and might as well stay at ND forever".

 

[Redbar]

We have been waiting for the high-tempo offense since Kelly got here. I will believe it when I see it.

I also don't fear Kelly going to the NFL anywhere near Diaco coaching somewhere else. Like mentioned above I think Kelly's niche is in college football. Diaco though has made such a great showing that I fear a lot of teams will have him on their radar when their head coach position opens up. My only hope is he enjoys what he does here so much that he want to stay here and be a part of whats going on.

I agree. I don't think every coach belongs in the NFL, some guys are more suited to college football. From what I have seen of Coach Kelly he seems like a guy very suited to the college game and I believe him when he says he has his dream job.

 

[irish1958]

Kelly is a college coach and, I suspect, he would be a failure in the NFL, as was Holtz, Saben, "the old ball coach" and many others.
And many successful NFL coaches are terrible college coaches. I suffered through the Joe Kuharich years at ND. Our recent experiment with NFL offensive coordinators didn't end well either.
It takes a wise man not to rise to the level of his incompendance.
I think Diaco would be another Bob Davies as a head coach.
Some make it: consider Jimmy Johnson, although he had to deal with a salary cap at Dallas which didn't plague him at Miama.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I agree. I don't think every coach belongs in the NFL, some guys are more suited to college football. From what I have seen of Coach Kelly he seems like a guy very suited to the college game and I believe him when he says he has his dream job.

I kind of have to agree as well. I've heard interviews where he talks about having a coaching philosophy. His was mostly based around coaching 18-21 year olds and focusing on player development. He wouldn't get that in NFL and I'm sure he knows that.

 

[Downinthebend]

Why would Kelly go to the NFL if he can roll in top talent and win big at ND?

 

[PraetorianND]

Chip Kelly in the NFL... that makes me laugh. Chip Kelly's offense wouldn't make it out of training camp in the NFL. Ask Steve Spurrier how gimmicky offenses work in the NFL. Not even Nick Saban could make the jump. Very few coaches can do it, Jimmy Johnson's an exception.

As for BK I don't think he'd go the NFL. I mean ND for a long time was the most sought after job in coaching and as long as BK keeps us on the winning track it will be once again. If we win a MNC with him he's going to make more money than he could ever dream of spending and he'll be beloved for generations of Irish fans.

What about Harbaugh who runs a similar offense we are running now?

 

[ickythump1225]

no. ND will never and should never hire a first time head coach ever again. EVER. AGAIN.

I agree. I think it's just good practice for a major CFB program to hire coaches with previous HC experience. I like the idea of hiring a coach who is working his way up the ranks, just like Brian Kelly. He showed success everywhere he went. Urban Meyer, Les Miles, and Nick Saban all had success at other schools as a HC before being promoted to the big time. The one coach who I do think could is going to be good for a long while with no previous HC experience is Will Muschamp.

 

[ickythump1225]

We have been waiting for the high-tempo offense since Kelly got here. I will believe it when I see it.

I also don't fear Kelly going to the NFL anywhere near Diaco coaching somewhere else. Like mentioned above I think Kelly's niche is in college football. Diaco though has made such a great showing that I fear a lot of teams will have him on their radar when their head coach position opens up. My only hope is he enjoys what he does here so much that he want to stay here and be a part of whats going on.

At the end of this year the only radar's he'll be on our minor programs. He might want another 2 to 3 years of continued success and get a crack at a bigger job down the road.

 

[Chicago Irish Fan]

Kelly's been a college head coach for nearly 25 years now, has never held a job in the NFL in any capacity, and is at one of the premier head coaching jobs in college football. I'd be absolutely stunned if he went to the NFL.

Diaco will probably get a head coaching job at some point, but that's probably at least a few years down the road. I don't see him taking over at some dumpster fire of a program in the MAC, which is probably all he'll get at this point.

 

[PraetorianND]

Completely forgot about Harbaugh. But I still feel like my general point, that most coaches can't make the jump from college to pro smoothly, stands.

The thing about BK though is that he has won at every level so convincingly. Also, with the defense that ND has going right now I'm sure some NFL team is interested (or will be).

 

[ickythump1225]

Kelly's been a college head coach for nearly 25 years now, has never held a job in the NFL in any capacity, and is at one of the premier head coaching jobs in college football. I'd be absolutely stunned if he went to the NFL.

Exactly. He just seems to enjoy college football and has never really shown any inclination to go to the NFL.

 

[irishroo]

I agree. I think it's just good practice for a major CFB program to hire coaches with previous HC experience. I like the idea of hiring a coach who is working his way up the ranks, just like Brian Kelly. He showed success everywhere he went. Urban Meyer, Les Miles, and Nick Saban all had success at other schools as a HC before being promoted to the big time. The one coach who I do think could is going to be good for a long while with no previous HC experience is Will Muschamp.

I'd throw Charlie Strong on that list as well

 

[PraetorianND]

I'd throw Charlie Strong on that list as well

He's really impressed me a Louisville. I wasn't expecting much but that program looks pretty good right now.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

kelly wont go to the nfl. he wouldnt be able to the dictator there. he's not interested in being parcells of bilicheck. too many head cases in the nfl. way too much, what have you done for me lately. college definitely the niche.

why arent more people worried about martin jumping ship? i dont see this happening either. but, its funny how this isnt mentioned.
i think the next coach to leave is kerry cooks.