Could the "haters" cost ND a shot at a National Championship?

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I would love to see notre Dame in the NC game against any of those teams because it is my opinion that ND is improving at as far greater pace than any of those other teams. Everett's learning curve is about to show a steep incline imo. And Kevarei is improving like no freshman db I can ever remember watching. In fact the whole secondary is improving exponentially. Did anybody else notice the game Golic played in Norman? That O-Line is now a real force. AND as bizarre as it sounds Manti is far better now than he was at the beginning of the season. I don't know if that guy has a ceiling anymore.
 

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SEC Conspiracy Theory Alert...
...I have heard people speculate that if LSU beats Bama that LSU moves up over ND and/or Bama only drops a couple but still ahead of ND (assuming Ore, and KSU wins)

Not saying its credible, but the pollsters DO luv them some SEC

I don't see this happening...but in a world where a 1 loss LSU moves ahead of an undefeated 8-0 Notre Dame with this schedule...yeah, **** that world.
 

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Last season I felt like Alabama was a better team than LSU. Even after LSU beat them. My opinion was LSU had won the right to not have to play Alabama again for the title. That was probably the wrong way to think because they were clearly the best two teams in the country last year. I thought it may set a bad precedent and give the SEC homers a new podium to pontificate from. Alabama won and was without a doubt the best team, last year.

This year is different, LSU is not the same team it was. I think there is larger gap between Bama and LSU. More so than last year. If that happens again I dont think the loser should get another shot even if it is Bama. Even though they may be the best. That same scenario playing over would suck for college football. I dont think LSU is a lock to beat Georgia if they beat Bama. Can you imagine that fiasco if all teams finish with one loss?
 

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if you think about it, its possible that there could be 4 undefeated teams at the end of the regular season (counting the ineligible OSU) thatll be 4 pissed of fan bases all clamoring for a playoff
 

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if you think about it, its possible that there could be 4 undefeated teams at the end of the regular season (counting the ineligible OSU) thatll be 4 pissed of fan bases all clamoring for a playoff

You mean NOT counting OSU? ... or Louisville?
 

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You mean NOT counting OSU? ... or Louisville?

He said that 4 teams would be undefeated and not winning the NC. Meaning 4 out of ND, BAMA, KSTATE, OREGON, Louisville, and OSU, wouldn't have a shot at the title.
 

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In my honest subjective opinion ND will not play for a NC if Bama and KSU remain undefeated. What hurts ND is that their strength of schedule may come into effect. Our next 3 games we will be favored by 2 scores, and USC may have a 3rd loss by the time we face them. Oregon also will have some solid wins that may give them the points to jump us as well. Just let the chips call where they mau, Im just enjoying and taking in all of this!
 

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i think it's a bit unfortunate that we have three games in a row on NBC. Who will even turn to those games outside of ND, Pitt, BC, and Wake fans? and we wont show up on any gamebreaks over on the SEC network. people will start to forget. We really need U$C to beat oregon (maybe they should cheat some more) so we can have gameday out there when we roll into LA and give Lame Kiffin a nutshot.
 

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BC is actually away so it won't be on NBC

Edit: in fact, didnt we hear the BC game has a chance to be in prime time?
 
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i think it's a bit unfortunate that we have three games in a row on NBC. Who will even turn to those games outside of ND, Pitt, BC, and Wake fans? and we wont show up on any gamebreaks over on the SEC network. people will start to forget. We really need U$C to beat oregon (maybe they should cheat some more) so we can have gameday out there when we roll into LA and give Lame Kiffin a nutshot.

If ND goes into SoCal undefeated I think there is a great chance that ESPN will choose that game to be on gameday.
 

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If ND goes into SoCal undefeated I think there is a great chance that ESPN will choose that game to be on gameday.

No way. The Civil War in Corvallis is that day. If Oregon loses before then.... We shall see.
 

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In my honest subjective opinion ND will not play for a NC if Bama and KSU remain undefeated. What hurts ND is that their strength of schedule may come into effect. Our next 3 games we will be favored by 2 scores, and USC may have a 3rd loss by the time we face them. Oregon also will have some solid wins that may give them the points to jump us as well. Just let the chips call where they mau, Im just enjoying and taking in all of this!

You're right, but it won't be because of SOS. Two thirds of the BCS is made up from the polls. The other third from computer analysis. The pollsters won't drop an undefeated team at this point, unless, KSU squeeks by in one or two games and ND rolls big time in the remaining games. I can see Oregon losing once having to play SC, Stanford and Oregon St.
 

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I shouldn't comment, but....

1). in my experience the media has for many decades been loaded with overt or closet Notre Dame fans. A good deal of this is because Notre Dame people are somewhat more interested in sports, and can actually produce grammatical sentences on a regular basis thus appearing intelligent. Many other "institutions of higher learning" tend to produce individuals who seem to have taken too many blows to the head, or who are speaking in a second language. The older generation of Notre Dame-friendly sports media people may have somewhat gone into retirement [but not as much as we think in my awareness], but they also bring on new people under them who get these rare chances to make a living involved with football. So, I still believe that there is a mass of ND support out there. This support will manifest IF THE TEAM GIVES THEM HONEST REASON TO DO SO. I have found most ND friendly sportspeople to be more honest in the way they go about their jobs, and will not "cheat" simply to enhance NDs reputation or "position". Things like Lou's shtick are entertainment only, and ESPN would not allow it without a Mark May fictional opponent to balance it.

2). The famous anti-ND bias [when it's expressed in dishonest terms] comes almost entirely from the deep south. This is the "Alabama Mentality" which became the Miami/FSU mentality and then the SEC mentality. For a while this outlook was simply North/South dislike. Bryant's undefeated team being under ND and MSU in the famous Tie-game year was a major sore point. When Miami and FSU brought speed and criminals to the game of bigtime football, Notre Dame was the obvious "Knight-in-Shining-Armor" to oppose that, and for a while [Devine/Holtz] we did. The country in general very much liked that Midwestern Football could put that sort of team down.

3). But there was Bobby Bowden. Old [dishonest as he!l] Bobby Bowden, but with that downhome simple southern boy drawl and innocent face... the media began falling for his game. Despite running a despicable program, good old who-cares America liked the speed and fancy stuff that he brought and rooted for him. The football world was ACHING to get Bobby a championship --- and they did...cheating Lou out of it.

4). The pro-South bias has bloomed from there, and a lot of people, from university presidents down through subway alumni all over the "north" and west don't like it. There's still psychological war going on there, even if sometimes unconsciously. If ND gets "left out" this season, it would only be from this southern bias [for one team's worth] and for a preference for a different non-southern team for the second [in other words, the so-called ND haters will dominate only one selection at most this season].

5). But a different sort of bias could occur. If we dump the "who really looked better" issue [as no rational discussion can take place if other teams actually looked better than ND], then somebody else could "get in" ahead of ND due to the second older bias: the old-time establishment would just like to give a certain coach a shot at "his" NC --- sort of the Lifetime Achievement award. There's such a candidate out there --- KSUs coach. He's an old laborer in the trenches and people like him. Consistently, remarks are made during games about how much the commentators admire what he's done at K-State. In my opinion, if it's close at the end, both Kellys may find themselves on the outside looking in.


... that's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it at least until after lunch.
 

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I shouldn't comment, but....

1). in my experience the media has for many decades been loaded with overt or closet Notre Dame fans. A good deal of this is because Notre Dame people are somewhat more interested in sports, and can actually produce grammatical sentences on a regular basis thus appearing intelligent. Many other "institutions of higher learning" tend to produce individuals who seem to have taken too many blows to the head, or who are speaking in a second language.

Nawww. That be biased for real! Remember when Alabama "out-physicaled" LSU?

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Nawww. That be biased for real! Remember when Alabama "out-physicaled" LSU?

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I shouldn't comment, but....

1). in my experience the media has for many decades been loaded with overt or closet Notre Dame fans. A good deal of this is because Notre Dame people are somewhat more interested in sports, and can actually produce grammatical sentences on a regular basis thus appearing intelligent. Many other "institutions of higher learning" tend to produce individuals who seem to have taken too many blows to the head, or who are speaking in a second language. The older generation of Notre Dame-friendly sports media people may have somewhat gone into retirement [but not as much as we think in my awareness], but they also bring on new people under them who get these rare chances to make a living involved with football. So, I still believe that there is a mass of ND support out there. This support will manifest IF THE TEAM GIVES THEM HONEST REASON TO DO SO. I have found most ND friendly sportspeople to be more honest in the way they go about their jobs, and will not "cheat" simply to enhance NDs reputation or "position". Things like Lou's shtick are entertainment only, and ESPN would not allow it without a Mark May fictional opponent to balance it.

2). The famous anti-ND bias [when it's expressed in dishonest terms] comes almost entirely from the deep south. This is the "Alabama Mentality" which became the Miami/FSU mentality and then the SEC mentality. For a while this outlook was simply North/South dislike. Bryant's undefeated team being under ND and MSU in the famous Tie-game year was a major sore point. When Miami and FSU brought speed and criminals to the game of bigtime football, Notre Dame was the obvious "Knight-in-Shining-Armor" to oppose that, and for a while [Devine/Holtz] we did. The country in general very much liked that Midwestern Football could put that sort of team down.

3). But there was Bobby Bowden. Old [dishonest as he!l] Bobby Bowden, but with that downhome simple southern boy drawl and innocent face... the media began falling for his game. Despite running a despicable program, good old who-cares America liked the speed and fancy stuff that he brought and rooted for him. The football world was ACHING to get Bobby a championship --- and they did...cheating Lou out of it.

4). The pro-South bias has bloomed from there, and a lot of people, from university presidents down through subway alumni all over the "north" and west don't like it. There's still psychological war going on there, even if sometimes unconsciously. If ND gets "left out" this season, it would only be from this southern bias [for one team's worth] and for a preference for a different non-southern team for the second [in other words, the so-called ND haters will dominate only one selection at most this season].

5). But a different sort of bias could occur. If we dump the "who really looked better" issue [as no rational discussion can take place if other teams actually looked better than ND], then somebody else could "get in" ahead of ND due to the second older bias: the old-time establishment would just like to give a certain coach a shot at "his" NC --- sort of the Lifetime Achievement award. There's such a candidate out there --- KSUs coach. He's an old laborer in the trenches and people like him. Consistently, remarks are made during games about how much the commentators admire what he's done at K-State. In my opinion, if it's close at the end, both Kellys may find themselves on the outside looking in.


... that's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it at least until after lunch.
Good post.
 

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Just a broad post here, as there are a bunch of different discussions on us going 12-0 and being left out of the NC. I think that it is entirely possible (as many do) that we could be left out of the NC at 12-0 behind Oregon, or maybe even behind KSU.

I think Oregon losing to USC this Saturday would make all of this a moot point. Oregon losing would push us up to #3 and we would literally be right behind KSU for #2. With a big game at the end of the year against a then-hot USC (assuming they would be 9-2 and ranked ~10), a win there would definitely be enough for us to jump KSU for #2.

As is, I think a 12-0 ND would finish above a 12-0 KSU due to more people analyzing the comparison of schedules. Lots of times recently, teams have made odd pushes to #2 (case in point LSU in 07), and I think that would be the case here.

Honestly, I think a 13-0 Oregon would finish ahead of a 12-0 ND, as people would pick talent over our more impressive schedule unfortunately.
 
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