SEC BIAS IN THE BCS?

[johnnykillz]

It's a joke...

No. It's gator bait.

You bit.

 

[Grahambo]

No. It's gator bait.

You bit.

For shame.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't know. The top third of the SEC is pretty stout. Always is.
Sure, Arkansas and Auburn are crapping the bed these days, but 'Bama, South Carolina and Florida all deserve their top 6 rankings. And, despite their losses, I'd still bet on LSU and Georgia against almost anyone outside the top ten (and a couple of teams in it). That's five elite teams.
I agree the bottom tier is nothing special. And most of them play **** outside the conference. But when the big guys play quality nonconference opponents (like Michigan, or WVU and Oregon last year for LSU), they tend to win. And look at what's happened to Mizzou. They went from being a contender in the Big 12 to 0-3 in the SEC, with 0-4 coming fast. They can't compete against these defenses.
Sure they oversign and their players can't spell, but there's a reason the SEC has won six straight titles. It makes sense that the system rewards them for it. If you want to change it, you need the Big 10 and Pac 10 (and ND) to start winning more big games. That's all.

 

[cody1smith]

What is the SEC's record against AQ teams this year? Look it up. hmmm that's weird.

The SEC does have some very good teams. But in years past the 4th and 5th best team in the SEC could beat number 1's in most other conferences.
Can you say that about this year?

I mean the Tide are very good and deserve the number one spot. But outside of them are the next several teams so much better than everyone else. I mean how bad does LSU beat Texas, Usc, Ohio state? Or do they?
What is the spread on a South Carolina vs West Virginia game?

1) Alabama Oregon West Virginia Ohio state
2)South Carolina Usc Kansas state Mich state
3)Florida Stanford Oklahoma Nebraska
4)Lsu Oregon st Texas Michigan

I live in Missouri and every since the word hit the street that Mizzou was going to the SEC the talk has been about how much better they are than everyone else. I'm tired of it and think if the SEC(minus bama) played all of the teams above they finish 500 or just barley above. Go Irish!!!

 

[chubler]

I'm not debating the fact that recently the top 1 or 2 teams in the SEC have been among or have been the best in the country. But I think that the fact that the SEC champion has always been undefeated in recent years is a clear indicator that the SEC as a whole is overrated.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

I just cant see ND moving the football on Florida. Score would be probably 17-6 maybe 17-10 that's me thinking your defense creates a turnover and you guys score off a short field.

LMFAO. Get a load of this guy.

Bowling Green scored 14 on you in the Swamp, and easily totaled over 300 yards. A&M scored 17 while outgaining your putrid offense by 30 yards, managing 21 first downs along the way. Tennessee scored 20 in three quarters before soiling themselves.

But ND would only manage 6 points against the mighty Gators. Right. Good one. Forget SEC bias in the BCS, we have some full-retard SEC bias in this thread right here.

 

[pkt77242]

I did not say you are only on UT's level I just want to see that game. ND has a nice front 7 but UT's QB can sling it and they have some really good WR's and TE's. It would be interesting to see if the line could get to the QB in time also I want to see how deep your Lb's could drop to help out your secondary. Plus UT's D is huge upfront but there secondary sucks so I would like to see ND O vs UT's D.


I just cant see ND moving the football on Florida. Score would be probably 17-6 maybe 17-10 that's me thinking your defense creates a turnover and you guys score off a short field.

My question is how in the Hell is Florida going to score that many points when they can't throw the ball?

 

[ahommell]

I'm not debating the fact that recently the top 1 or 2 teams in the SEC have been among or have been the best in the country. But I think that the fact that the SEC champion has always been undefeated in recent years is a clear indicator that the SEC as a whole is overrated.

Uhhhh.... Felt.

 

[NDinFL]

LMFAO. Get a load of this guy.

Bowling Green scored 14 on you in the Swamp, and easily totaled over 300 yards. A&M scored 17 while outgaining your putrid offense by 30 yards, managing 21 first downs along the way. Tennessee scored 20 in three quarters before soiling themselves.

But ND would only manage 6 points against the mighty Gators. Right. Good one. Forget SEC bias in the BCS, we have some full-retard SEC bias in this thread right here.

I'll just leave this here....

 

[ALLGATOR]

LMFAO. Get a load of this guy.

Bowling Green scored 14 on you in the Swamp, and easily totaled over 300 yards. A&M scored 17 while outgaining your putrid offense by 30 yards, managing 21 first downs along the way. Tennessee scored 20 in three quarters before soiling themselves.

But ND would only manage 6 points against the mighty Gators. Right. Good one. Forget SEC bias in the BCS, we have some full-retard SEC bias in this thread right here.

yes ND gets 6 to 10 points that's my assessment. Each game is different. The coaches used that BG game as a scrimmage and clean some things up. TN has a better offense than ND. How good was that Aggie O in the second half? You also have to remember Florida had no tape on A & M. Once the front 4 realized how they had to play a running QB its was over.

 

[ALLGATOR]

My question is how in the Hell is Florida going to score that many points when they can't throw the ball?

I think they would be able to throw the ball a little on ND secondary but that just me. I do know Florida can run the ball and the defense causes turnovers.

 

[stlnd01]

You also have to remember Florida had no tape on A & M.

Seriously? Who are you, Mark D'Antonio?

 

[ALLGATOR]

Seriously? Who are you, Mark D'Antonio?

great joke

 

[GoldenBoy3]

If we win out and USC wins 9 or more we're playing in the NC, no doubt in my mind. The media frenzy would be unreal with an undefeated Notre Dame team.

There is such a tough road ahead but the staff has the kids buying in one week at a time.

As much as I'd like to buy into that I just dont see us jumping Oregon if they remain undefeated which would include wins over AZ, USC, CAL, Stanford and the PAC12 title game.

 

[Cackalacky]

I think they would be able to throw the ball a little on ND secondary but that just me. I do know Florida can run the ball and the defense causes turnovers.

This has gone downhill quickly.

Miami Passing Yards (18th in Nation @ 307.2 / game) vs ND = 201 (basically on two drives that yielded 3 points. Miami had 10 posessions and ended with 201 yards passing.
Denard Robinson did jack crap (6 points generated)
Le'Veon Bell <60 yrds and (3 points generated)

ND redzone defense is ridiculous. Trips into ND redzone are almost non-existent. No TDs in last three games against high-powered offenses (superior to Florida's). Rushing defense is even better than passing defense. Florida only moved the ball against a severely weakend LSU defense due to attrition during the game. I watched that game. They basically had Minter and the two DEs in the end and thats it. Once LSU accumulated injuries, Florida took advantage of the fresh faces in the 2nd half. It was so obvious that the CBS commentators picked up on it. LSUs offense was TERRIBLE and left Florida in good field position all game and Florida only managed 14 points? Muschamp was sweating like a whore in church and after the game it looked like he won the lottery.

Cmon.

I am witholding any further judgement on Florida until they play USC who has a legitimate and healthy defense and Georgia who has a legitimate offense. I am predicting a steamroller next week. USC is for real this year (and this is not because I am a South Carolina homer, I loathe USC and Clemson).

 

[Cackalacky]

Lax vs Gator:

That's why I stay out of skate parks at night.

 

[Cackalacky]

yes ND gets 6 to 10 points that's my assessment

Oh man....

TN has a better offense than ND.

LOL WUT?

You also have to remember Florida had no tape on A & M

Dear Lord....

Once the front 4 realized how they had to play a running QB its was over.

Assenine.....

 

[Patulski]

Six straight NCAA championships will do that. Until someone beats the SEC, they deserve the respect/bias.

Agree.

That being said, they need to hold a NC game up north. I'd love to see how well Florida. Alabama, LSU play in January in Chicago for example.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Agree.

again. they, and no one else, deserves bias in sports. respect is one thing, bias is completely different.

 

[goldandblue]

On All Gators comment about UT having a better offense than ND he is statistically correct. UT ranks 17th in total offense so far this year.

The thing that you have to take into consideration is who have they (ND and UT) played?

ND schedule and strenght of opposing Defense:
Navy - 62
Purdue - 48
Mich. St. - 8
Mich - 19
Miami - 118

ND has played an avg of 51st ranked total defense

UT Schedule and strenght of opposing Defense

NC State - 58
GA State - 121 oustide the top 120 D-1 teams
Florida - 12
Akron - 106
Georgia - 51

UT schedule has an average of 70

 

[Cackalacky]

On All Gators comment about UT having a better offense than ND he is statistically correct. UT ranks 17th in total offense so far this year.

The thing that you have to take into consideration is who have they (ND and UT) played?

ND schedule and strenght of opposing Defense:
Navy - 62
Purdue - 48
Mich. St. - 8
Mich - 19
Miami - 118

ND has played an avg of 51st ranked total defense

UT Schedule and strenght of opposing Defense

NC State - 58
GA State - 121 oustide the top 120 D-1 teams
Florida - 12
Akron - 106
Georgia - 51

UT schedule has an average of 70

So ND played stronger defenses and produced less offense. UT played weaker defense and produced more offense.... ok....

 

[GainesvilleIrish]

Coming from an unbiased fan of both ND & Florida and having watched every game from both teams, I think both Florida and Notre Dame fans are both drinking the cool-aid a little bit, with Irish fans a little more although both are eerily similar.

First, Florida. Florida's defense is top class. I think ND fans are underestimating just how good T A&M's offense really is. Manziel is going to be a stud, no doubt about it. With no actual game footage, Florida's defense was in no man's land the first half (17 points in the first half) against his legs. In the second half, nothing. Tennesee's Bray and those receivers are pretty damn good too. With both of those games on the road in some of the toughest places to play, I think Florida did extremely well with a new OC & quarterback to make it out of those two. Yeah, LSU wasn't a top 2 team this season, but put them up against any team besides Alabama this season and I'll take the Tigers over just about everyone.

Notre Dame's opponents just plainly haven't been as good as advertised. Michigan and Michigan State just aren't in the same league as any teams FL has played and would be dominated in the SEC. Not to take away from the Irish's wins, they were solid and Manti and our defense is playing lights out, but it's not the same competition. I'm not even sure this week Stanford will be a good test either. Losing to Washington and going into OT with Arizona? We better win. No wins that the Irish have makes me think they are anywhere to the level of a top 5 team. Oklahoma should be the first real test for our Irish.

Not to say that ND isn't elite and couldn't do anything in the SEC, but what AllGator and the rest of America is saying is, prove it.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I don't think that anyone can say with a straight face that A&M and LSU have "elite" offenses.

West Virginia. Oregon. Maybe Ohio State. Those are the "elite" offenses so far this year, and they're not in the SEC.

 

[ALLGATOR]

This has gone downhill quickly.

Miami Passing Yards (18th in Nation @ 307.2 / game) vs ND = 201 (basically on two drives that yielded 3 points. Miami had 10 posessions and ended with 201 yards passing.
Denard Robinson did jack crap (6 points generated)
Le'Veon Bell <60 yrds and (3 points generated)

ND redzone defense is ridiculous. Trips into ND redzone are almost non-existent. No TDs in last three games against high-powered offenses (superior to Florida's). Rushing defense is even better than passing defense. Florida only moved the ball against a severely weakend LSU defense due to attrition during the game. I watched that game. They basically had Minter and the two DEs in the end and thats it. Once LSU accumulated injuries, Florida took advantage of the fresh faces in the 2nd half. It was so obvious that the CBS commentators picked up on it. LSUs offense was TERRIBLE and left Florida in good field position all game and Florida only managed 14 points? Muschamp was sweating like a whore in church and after the game it looked like he won the lottery.

Cmon.

I am witholding any further judgement on Florida until they play USC who has a legitimate and healthy defense and Georgia who has a legitimate offense. I am predicting a steamroller next week. USC is for real this year (and this is not because I am a South Carolina homer, I loathe USC and Clemson).

That's what happens when you are wearing on a football team. Florida ran the ball fine in the first half just dumb sacks by Driskel hurt down and distance. Interesting how every team seems to wilt to Florida in the 2nd half huh? Whats the excuse for A & M and Tennessee?

LSU doesn't have the best O in the world but they sure beat the crap out of Washington

Miami is terrible we would beat the crap out of them along with everybody else on ND schedule thus far. Michigan state's offense is not some superior beast either that team is a fraud "living off of loft preseason rankings" ND has scored 20 20 & 13 against average football teams Florida's defense is better than those teams

Dont know why some people are getting so upset over somebody asking a question and me answering it. It not like I said it would be a blowout just a close game score with Florida winning that's how I feel at this point in time. It doesn't even matter

 

[goldandblue]

AllGator, your ok in my book man. I appreciate the input you put into this board and you do it without being a troll dick

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Coming from an unbiased fan of both ND & Florida and having watched every game from both teams, I think both Florida and Notre Dame fans are both drinking the cool-aid a little bit, with Irish fans a little more although both are eerily similar.

First, Florida. Florida's defense is top class. I think ND fans are underestimating just how good T A&M's offense really is. Manziel is going to be a stud, no doubt about it. With no actual game footage, Florida's defense was in no man's land the first half (17 points in the first half) against his legs. In the second half, nothing. Tennesee's Bray and those receivers are pretty damn good too. With both of those games on the road in some of the toughest places to play, I think Florida did extremely well with a new OC & quarterback to make it out of those two. Yeah, LSU wasn't a top 2 team this season, but put them up against any team besides Alabama this season and I'll take the Tigers over just about everyone.

Notre Dame's opponents just plainly haven't been as good as advertised. Michigan and Michigan State just aren't in the same league as any teams FL has played and would be dominated in the SEC. Not to take away from the Irish's wins, they were solid and Manti and our defense is playing lights out, but it's not the same competition. I'm not even sure this week Stanford will be a good test either. Losing to Washington and going into OT with Arizona? We better win. No wins that the Irish have makes me think they are anywhere to the level of a top 5 team. Oklahoma should be the first real test for our Irish.

Not to say that ND isn't elite and couldn't do anything in the SEC, but what AllGator and the rest of America is saying is, prove it.

WTF??

Bowling Green??
Kentucky??

even Tennessee?? (who has 2 of their 3 wins against Akron and Georgia St, and the other against NC State who are admittedly an enigma: beat FSU but lost to Miami)


I'm not even going to argue the ND vs Florida fantasy match-up, but saying that scUM and MSU aren't as good as Bowling Green and Kentucky is a major FAIL!!

 

[DSully1995]

Coming from an unbiased fan of both ND & Florida and having watched every game from both teams, I think both Florida and Notre Dame fans are both drinking the cool-aid a little bit, with Irish fans a little more although both are eerily similar.

First, Florida. Florida's defense is top class. I think ND fans are underestimating just how good T A&M's offense really is. Manziel is going to be a stud, no doubt about it. With no actual game footage, Florida's defense was in no man's land the first half (17 points in the first half) against his legs. In the second half, nothing. Tennesee's Bray and those receivers are pretty damn good too. With both of those games on the road in some of the toughest places to play, I think Florida did extremely well with a new OC & quarterback to make it out of those two. Yeah, LSU wasn't a top 2 team this season, but put them up against any team besides Alabama this season and I'll take the Tigers over just about everyone. Notre Dame's opponents just plainly haven't been as good as advertised. Michigan and Michigan State just aren't in the same league as any teams FL has played and would be dominated in the SEC. Not to take away from the Irish's wins, they were solid and Manti and our defense is playing lights out, but it's not the same competition. I'm not even sure this week Stanford will be a good test either. Losing to Washington and going into OT with Arizona? We better win. No wins that the Irish have makes me think they are anywhere to the level of a top 5 team. Oklahoma should be the first real test for our Irish.

Not to say that ND isn't elite and couldn't do anything in the SEC, but what AllGator and the rest of America is saying is, prove it.

Thats the definitoon of top 2 team Mr.Gator

 

[Cackalacky]

Thats the definitoon of top 2 team Mr.Gator

LULZ......

 

[Grahambo]

That's what happens when you are wearing on a football team. Florida ran the ball fine in the first half just dumb sacks by Driskel hurt down and distance. Interesting how every team seems to wilt to Florida in the 2nd half huh? Whats the excuse for A & M and Tennessee?

LSU doesn't have the best O in the world but they sure beat the crap out of Washington

Miami is terrible we would beat the crap out of them along with everybody else on ND schedule thus far. Michigan state's offense is not some superior beast either that team is a fraud "living off of loft preseason rankings" ND has scored 20 20 & 13 against average football teams Florida's defense is better than those teams

Dont know why some people are getting so upset over somebody asking a question and me answering it. It not like I said it would be a blowout just a close game score with Florida winning that's how I feel at this point in time. It doesn't even matter

You make it seem like the game against A&M was some type of football clinic put on by UF. The box score isn't all that pretty.

You're comparing a game against Tennessee which has the 86th ranked scoring defense? The same team that gave up 26 points to a 1-5 Akron team.

UF also beat up on Kentucky. The 1-5 Kentucky team that is ranked 107th in scoring offense and 91st in scoring defense. Moving on.

You also beat 3-3 Bowling Green...by 13...at home.

You also beat LSU 14-6. Saying LSU beat the crap out of Washington is not exactly some great accomplishment by the way.

In my guess-timation:

Week 1: Bowling Green vs Navy = Push
Week 2: Texas A&M vs Purdue = A&M
Week 3: Tennessee vs MSU = MSU
Week 4: Kentucky vs Michigan = Michigan
Week 5: LSU vs Miami = LSU

 

[ARALOU]

I was impressed with the Gator win over LSU. I say that because I honestly thought LSU was better. I am not saying LSU is great. I also thought Tennessee would beat Florida. Florida has been a surprise this year. I am not so sure that they are Bama and Carolina good. Thats why they play the games. As for the SEC in general, I say they are top heavy with two maybe 3 great teams (jury still out on Fla.). Lets not forget the Michigan State/ Ga. Bowl game. Things change from year to year, I know, but neither team is all that much different. I get tired of hearing the SEC chants myself. Most of which comes from bandwagoning Vol fans. I do think Bama is in a class all its own until someone beats them. Remember? Thats why they play the games.

As for the Irish. I think they are appropriately ranked. Until they play the rest of their schedule we will not know how good they can be. If they finish unbeaten, I feel confident Bama will be also. Even if Oregon wins out you will most likely see Irish vs Bama. In my opinion Irish get in over unbeaten West Virginia, Oregon or a one loss SEC team. Why? Because people would want to see ND vs Bama. Either to cheer or hate. But they would watch.