NC loss or Fiesta bowl win?

phork

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No big scoop here, but I know someone on the Sugar Bowl Committee, they had a meeting tonight...suffice it to say they are drooling over the prospects of us not quite making it to the NC game and potentially playing the #2 SEC team. It would not hurt them if we lost one or two and fell into their laps.

Sugar would only land us if there is an SEC team in the NCG. Fiesta has first of at large selections. Sugar is not bound to select an SEC team like last years UM vs VT game.
Just a small note as well. No bowl is obligated to take anyone, and outside the NCG the goal is to fill seats. A BCS eligible ND team, even at #14, would snort up an atlarge spot.

Using the coaches poll, as it is today.

Bama vs Oregon
#1Atlarge vs #4Atlarge Sugar
#2Atlarge vs Nebraska Rose
KState vs #3AtLarge Fiesta
WVU vs #5AtLarge Orange
 

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Somehow, in the back of my mind, I knew someone was going to come in and post something ridiculous and ruin the fun and good times some Irish fans were having.

Some people have it in them to just be a dick.... why do people just want to be a dick all the time and post stuff like "Gay guys riding bulls?"

Sorry Wooly, I thought it was funny too.....

geeesh

Hey DP, no worries. Some folks are just looking for love in all the wrong the places.
 

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Hey DP, no worries. Some folks are just looking for love in all the wrong the places.

I guess Brother!!!! LOL.

Also, reps for including the song gesture.... pretty good there dude!!!!!


Diz
 

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Sugar would only land us if there is an SEC team in the NCG. Fiesta has first of at large selections. Sugar is not bound to select an SEC team like last years UM vs VT game.
Just a small note as well. No bowl is obligated to take anyone, and outside the NCG the goal is to fill seats. A BCS eligible ND team, even at #14, would snort up an atlarge spot.

Using the coaches poll, as it is today.

Bama vs Oregon
#1Atlarge vs #4Atlarge Sugar
#2Atlarge vs Nebraska Rose
KState vs #3AtLarge Fiesta
WVU vs #5AtLarge Orange

I should have said in their wishful calculus, Sugar was assuming Bama plays for the Natty.
 

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At the same time, no one inferred that we were going to go undefeated or go to the BCS. The question was to simply ask what would you rather have. It is as relevant as a question to ask when 4-0 as it would be if we were 0-4. It's a hypothetical.

Nothing we do as fans will contribute on whether we beat Miami or not. So acting like we need to "focus on Miami" is pretty silly. No amount of worrying about Miami will impact whether or not we go to the BCS or a NC game. So both are quite silly to worry about. How does hypothetical thoughts on what people think are more important endings to our season effect the ultimate outcome of our season?

Again... let your hair down sisters...

Of course my looking at it one game at a time has no impact on the game itself. But of course that has nothing to do with what I said in my post. I said I prefer to take it one game at a time, to savour every win rather than letting my imagination run wild and being disappointed by what would otherwise be an entirely satisfying season. My observation was that many of the fans who get carried away by a bit of momentum (like now) are among the first to declare all is lost when the team hits a rough patch. I prefer looking at the season in the short term...maybe it is a bit of vicarious role playing (looking at it the way I would like the players to look at it) but it is mostly intended to keep myself from being one of those bandwagon jumpers.

Feel free to let your hair down, I just think the more relevant discussions relate to the preparation for the next game and the development of the players and the team.
 

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Of course my looking at it one game at a time has no impact on the game itself. But of course that has nothing to do with what I said in my post. I said I prefer to take it one game at a time, to savour every win rather than letting my imagination run wild and being disappointed by what would otherwise be an entirely satisfying season. My observation was that many of the fans who get carried away by a bit of momentum (like now) are among the first to declare all is lost when the team hits a rough patch. I prefer looking at the season in the short term...maybe it is a bit of vicarious role playing (looking at it the way I would like the players to look at it) but it is mostly intended to keep myself from being one of those bandwagon jumpers.

Feel free to let your hair down, I just think the more relevant discussions relate to the preparation for the next game and the development of the players and the team
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Sorry for the late response.

If you think that hypotheticals aren't a relevant topic of discussion than why did you consiously open the thread, read the posts and then respond? If you don't want to let your imagination run wild or become a bandwagon jumper (really?) than simply dont participate in the speculation. There are threads that specifically related to "preparation for the next game" duscussions. I really don't understand the "vicarious role playing" that some of our fans have, and furthermore, why they deem it necessary to force feed the "one game at a time" BS on the rest of us.

It's as easy as not participating in the conversation.
 
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Fiesta beat down of an untested KState team and vaulting into the top 5 to start next year off.
 

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Sorry for the late response.

If you think that hypotheticals aren't a relevant topic of discussion than why did you consiously open the thread, read the posts and then respond? If you don't want to let your imagination run wild or become a bandwagon jumper (really?) than simply dont participate in the speculation. There are threads that specifically related to "preparation for the next game" duscussions. I really don't understand the "vicarious role playing" that some of our fans have, and furthermore, why they deem it necessary to force feed the "one game at a time" BS on the rest of us.

It's as easy as not participating in the conversation.

+1...Wooly...I repped you too recently to rep you again so quickly.

This isn't a prediction thread. The amount of posters on this site who actually think we'll have a shot at either outcome is quite small. That may change after this weekend, deservingly, but as of now this is just a hypothetical, what if, type thing. So don't read it, the b*tching about us discussing a hypothetical question is pointless...we're going to discuss it regardless.
 
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I think I'd rather take Fiesta. Only because it was noticable how little Oregon's program/recruiting changed after their loss in the NC. I thought they'd be on top of the world right now. They're still great, but the recruiting, etc., didn't seem to get the bump I thought they would have.
 

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I think I'd rather take Fiesta. Only because it was noticable how little Oregon's program/recruiting changed after their loss in the NC. I thought they'd be on top of the world right now. They're still great, but the recruiting, etc., didn't seem to get the bump I thought they would have.

They never have had top recruiting classes, even before the NC loss. Furthermore, they are ranked #2 in the country right now and are the PAC12 favorite.

I'll take that "not on top of the world" any day of the week.
 

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That was my point -- I thought they would get top recruiting classes because of the NC appearence. But they're still losing to USC.

They must be too preoccupied with competing for a National Title to beat the streets for the National Recruiting Title.

They need to get their priorities in order...
 

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They must be too preoccupied with competing for a National Title to beat the streets for the National Recruiting Title.

They need to get their priorities in order...

I'm not quite sure what we're disagreeing over...I'm just pointing out the effects of appearing in (but not winning) the NC. I think Oregon probably could have won the Fiesta Bowl instead and probably be in the same shape they're in right now, if not better.

That's the subject of this thread, right? Sometimes I lose track.

I agree that Oregon has a very good program and is competing for a national title.
 

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Sorry for the late response.

If you think that hypotheticals aren't a relevant topic of discussion than why did you consiously open the thread, read the posts and then respond? If you don't want to let your imagination run wild or become a bandwagon jumper (really?) than simply dont participate in the speculation. There are threads that specifically related to "preparation for the next game" duscussions. I really don't understand the "vicarious role playing" that some of our fans have, and furthermore, why they deem it necessary to force feed the "one game at a time" BS on the rest of us.

It's as easy as not participating in the conversation.

So if I think that projecting to o far into the future is unwise, that it is just a way to jack one's expectations beyond reason, I should stay out of this thread? Really?

I don't think I am force feeding anything to you. You are expressing your views and I am expressing mine. I happen to think that a good many of the fans who start discussing Fiesta vs. Championship game will turn on the team if neither of those things pan out.

If there is any B.S. going down here it is your claim that you don't understand the vicarious role playing that "some" of our fans have. If you yourself were not in some way apt to putting yourself into the position of coach, player, etc. you wouldn't pay any attention to the game at all. What is it when you or I play coach and critique play calls? What would you call it when you or I scream at the TV to pull the qb? Why do so many of us refer to the team as "we" when we don't strap on the pads? It is because we lose ourselves in the game and allow oursleves to (on some level) believe we are part of it. You do it. I do it. And all it amounts to is a bit of vicarious role playing. We believe we know who should be on the field as if we were coaches. We pump our fist in the air when we scream "BLITZ" and they do blitz, and it works. Our heart rate increases when GA III hits a hole and we can see that he is taking it to the house, I myself stood up on Saturday and did a weird touchdown dance and gave out high fives at that point. You did something similar, I guarantee it. What is all of that if we aren't living vicariously through the players and coaches? Why do we vest ourselves emotionally in a football team? It is a bit of role playing. That is what being a fan is.

Nobody who says we shouldn't look too far down the line is doing it b/c they really believe it will have a direct impact on the mentality of the team. As I said I take that approach b/c I have found that looking too far ahead leads to disappointment. I try (not always successfully) to take one game at a time. I try to put the loss last week out of my head so that I don't become too negative. I try to temper my confidence after a big win so that I can be satisfied with an ugly win the next week. (I am not so stable that a loss ever feels good) That is my view and it is valid and perfectly reasonable to express it in this thread.

and of course I would rather watch ND in the NC game b/c the team would have a legitimate shot of winning if they did well enough to get in the game...win or lose I would rather be in the game
 

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Laughing reading some of this.....
So anyone change their mind now that we're 9-0.
 

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Laughing reading some of this.....
So anyone change their mind now that we're 9-0.

I would rather take a BCS bowl win than a National Championship loss. Yes bowl games may not mean as much but after last season I realized how importatn winning your bowl was. It just gives you a better feeling going into next year at least IMO. Besides I need some new clothes and a Fiesta/Rose/Sugar/Orange Bowl Champion T-shirt, Long-Sleeve shirt, and Hoodie would be great to have!
 
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