'11 PA TE Ben Koyack (Signed Notre Dame LOI)

[tko]

great kid, though. maybe he's caught up in thinking too much. just go blast the fk out of someone Saturday night!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'm thinking some of you are overacting to his play at the moment.

 

[PANDFAN]

I'm thinking some of you are overacting to his play at the moment.

i wish i was

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

I wonder if Niklas switching positions and quickly passing Koyack on the depth chart has impacted young Ben. Think about it: last year it was possible that Eifert would leave for the draft, leaving Koyack a near shoe-in for the starting TE position in 2012. Now, he's third on the depth chart.

Still 9 (or 10) games to go...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I wonder if Niklas switching positions and quickly passing Koyack on the depth chart has impacted young Ben. Think about it: last year it was possible that Eifert would leave for the draft, leaving Koyack a near shoe-in for the starting TE position in 2012. Now, he's third on the depth chart.

Still 9 (or 10) games to go...

He isn't third. Koyack and Niklas or 2a and 2b. Niklas is just the better blocker at this point.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I'm thinking some of you are overacting to his play at the moment.

Staff at the premium sites have been really down on his play as well (II and ISD).

 

[NYMIKE6]

IMO you will see a huge difference in his game after Eifert leaves... bank on it... Koyack is more of a receiving TE then blocker but because Eifert plays that role Koyack is used blocking more. I think once Eifert leaves Ben will fill the role of receiving TE and flourish...

 

[Ironman8]

Hopefully he can turn the corner. Hopefully Welch can come back healthy next year and create another solid (albeit less explosive) 3 man rotation at TE.

 

[polishjuice4]

HE IS A SOPHOMORE- You guys were freaking about Ishaq too, now you think he is the greatest. He would of redshirted last year if Ragone (I think it was him) not hurt and that really would have helped him.

 

[Emcee77]

IMO you will see a huge difference in his game after Eifert leaves... bank on it... Koyack is more of a receiving TE then blocker but because Eifert plays that role Koyack is used blocking more. I think once Eifert leaves been will fill the role of receiving TE and flourish...

Yep, I've seen enough flashes of brilliance to be confident that he'll get it together here eventually. I still expect him to be a star for us next year.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

IMO you will see a huge difference in his game after Eifert leaves... bank on it... Koyack is more of a receiving TE then blocker but because Eifert plays that role Koyack is used blocking more. I think once Eifert leaves been will fill the role of receiving TE and flourish...

That's what I was trying to say earlier. Well put.

 

[DillonHall]

IMO you will see a huge difference in his game after Eifert leaves... bank on it... Koyack is more of a receiving TE then blocker but because Eifert plays that role Koyack is used blocking more. I think once Eifert leaves been will fill the role of receiving TE and flourish...

I'd hate to have a tight end (good receiver or not) that can't block. Eifert is known for his pass-catching ability, but he's a hell of a blocker as well.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'd hate to have a tight end (good receiver or not) that can't block. Eifert is known for his pass-catching ability, but he's a hell of a blocker as well.

It took him to years as a starter to be an average blocking TE.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

He will be fine. He is only three games into his second year.

 

[NYMIKE6]

I'd hate to have a tight end (good receiver or not) that can't block. Eifert is known for his pass-catching ability, but he's a hell of a blocker as well.

He's a decent blocker in space (flanked out). It's well known Eifert struggles with in-line blocking.

 

[Ironman8]

He's a decent blocker in space (flanked out). It's well known Eifert struggles with in-line blocking.

He had a real nice in-line block to seal Gholston off for Cierre on the 4th and 1 play Saturday night.

 

[DillonHall]

He's a decent blocker in space (flanked out). It's well known Eifert struggles with in-line blocking.

This is simply not true

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'm actually in agreement with NYMIKE on this. Go take a look at NFL scouts report on Eifert.

 

[NYMIKE6]

This is simply not true

How isn't it? There is not one time that i can remember since Eifert got here that i heard praise from the coaching staff about his brilliant in-line blocking ability. He has struggled and still struggles. He isn't the type of TE to hold down the point of attack. He is an over-sized WR. Thats why we can block so well in space.

 

[Emcee77]

How isn't it? There is not one time that i can remember since Eifert got here that i heard praise from the coaching staff about his brilliant in-line blocking ability. He has struggled and still struggles. He isn't the type of TE to hold down the point of attack. He is an over-sized WR. Thats why we can block so well in space.

Right. Kelly stated explicitly that Niklas was moved to TE because the team needed a capable in-line blocker at that position. Eifert is not that guy, and neither is Koyack.

 

[DillonHall]

Right. Kelly stated explicitly that Niklas was moved to TE because the team needed a capable in-line blocker at that position. Eifert is not that guy, and neither is Koyack.

So on Saturday night at MSU on a crucial fourth down decision, Kelly decides to run the ball to Eifert's side even though he doesn't think Eifert is a a 'capable' in-line blocker? That makes sense

 

[NYMIKE6]

So on Saturday night at MSU on a crucial fourth down decision, Kelly decides to run the ball to Eifert's side even though he doesn't think Eifert is a a 'capable' in-line blocker? That makes sense

1 block makes him a super star at blocking.... $hit son, even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally...

Listen it's easy you are defending a player with opinion while some of us are stating with facts man...

 

[Emcee77]

So on Saturday night at MSU on a crucial fourth down decision, Kelly decides to run the ball to Eifert's side even though he doesn't think Eifert is a a 'capable' in-line blocker? That makes sense

Geez, so snippy. "Capable" was not a great word choice -- mine, not Kelly's. I don't mean to suggest, and I am not saying that Kelly suggested, that Eifert is a totally inept in-line blocker -- but Kelly did say that Niklas was moved to TE to give us better in-line blocking at the position. I can't remember at exactly which press conference Kelly said it or I'd point you to the transcript. As for Saturday night, I don't remember the play you are talking about but I doubt Kelly ran the play because of Eifert's blocking. I think most people agree that he is not a great in-line blocker.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Not to mention him running onto the field as the ball was being snapped on the first play of the game.

Don't mention it, because Troy was the one who ran on, # 85.

Geez, so snippy. "Capable" was not a great word choice -- mine, not Kelly's. I don't mean to suggest, and I am not saying that Kelly suggested, that Eifert is a totally inept in-line blocker -- but Kelly did say that Niklas was moved to TE to give us better in-line blocking at the position. I can't remember at exactly which press conference Kelly said it or I'd point you to the transcript. As for Saturday night, I don't remember the play you are talking about but I doubt Kelly ran the play because of Eifert's blocking. I think most people agree that he is not a great in-line blocker.

The play where Eifert drilled Gholson on the field goal drive. Maybe the best tight end block ever. Watch the game again. Eifert was so good at blocking we may have to call him the enforcer. He gave a maximum effiert.

And Kelly said just that in a press conference. That was his first reason for moving Niklas.

So what are we arguing about? Again, conflation.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Don't mention it, because Troy was the one who ran on, # 85.

Plus that's the coaches screw up, not the kids.

 

[BeauBenken]

Plus that's the coaches screw up, not the kids.

How?

And Gholston is one talented and big man. Eifert sealing the edge on him does say a lot to how he has improved as a blocker.

 

[Ironman8]

1 block makes him a super star at blocking.... $hit son, even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally...

Listen it's easy you are defending a player with opinion while some of us are stating with facts man...

What? You are making your argument based on opinion, same as him. What "facts" are you using? Come on man, you can't rip someone for making the same style argument as you simply on the other side of the fence. We are allowed differeing opinions - it makes for good conversation - but be realistic.

 

[NYMIKE6]

So what is everyone arguing that 1 block makes a stud in-line blocker? I've seen him get shoved back more so then holding the point. Also noticed more negative write ups or evaluations on Eiferts lack luster blocking ability.

It's like saying that 1 int. solidifies you as a shut down corner.

 

[Domina Nostra]

He's a sophmore playing a new style, so I would withhold any final judgment on his blocking prowess. But I do think his blocking skills currently leave something to be desired- the two Sophmores are pretty inconsistent.

 

[NYMIKE6]

What? You are making your argument based on opinion, same as him. What "facts" are you using? Come on man, you can't rip someone for making the same style argument as you simply on the other side of the fence. We are allowed differeing opinions - it makes for good conversation - but be realistic.

my fault Ironman i will link articles....WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Tyler Eifert