Tyrann Mathieu

[johnnykillz]

Weed Badger.

Deca badger.

Or more than likely

Winni badger.

 

[Kanye West]

It should be legal but that's another story.
When he got suspended for 1 game it was for SYNTHETIC Marijuana, which is legal if you don't play football. The sad part is Synthetic Marijuna is much worse for you then regular. I just find it dumb how this kid couldn't stop smoking during the season or during a period where he would be tested. If you like smoking do it when you don't get tested.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

hmmm... there are a lot of credible sources out there indicating a failed drug test, but it would be interesting if everyone is assuming dope because of him being caught with fake cabbage last season. The "failed multiple tests" has only recently came up and I haven't heard anything but speculation on what drug he tested positive for.


[/throws on tin foil cap and looks around nervously]

To extend on agreeing with you I prose the logical extension of this hypothetical: If it was a failed drug test because of steroids, wouldn't LSU play it exactly as they have and let us infer that it was marijuana?

Edit: Not tying to cause hype, if posters can keep up that it's hypothetical, I thought it's worth a thought.

 

[johnnykillz]

To extend on agreeing with you I prose the logical extension of this hypothetical: If it was a failed drug test because of steroids, wouldn't LSU play it exactly as they have and let us infer that it was marijuana?

Edit: Not tying to cause hype, if posters can keep up that it's hypothetical, I thought it's worth a thought.

"The juice" is much harder to test for as normal urinalysis doesn't normally yield results as in Winstrol and Deca or Test for that matter.

It would require an endocrine test via blood.

And it's expensive as hell.


Is this a normal NCAA protocol to test for roids?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Mathieu = L

 

[Irishcop]

Where I work we have a big problem with kids smoking synthetic marijuana, and as far as I know it's very hard to test for it. You basically have to be caught smoking it or admit to smoking it. We just recently received test kits for for bath salts.

 

[johnnykillz]

Where I work we have a big problem with kids smoking synthetic marijuana, and as far as I know it's very hard to test for it. You basically have to be caught smoking it or admit to smoking it. We just recently received test kits for for bath salts.

Chemical burns galore.

Essentially these products coat the lungs and sometimes chemically burn the alveoli rendering the oxygen exchange impossible: victims suffocate.

Sad.

Just smoke weed.

Times like these makes me wish we would legalize the real stuff to prevent this unnecessary risk.

 

[Kanye West]

Chemical burns galore.

Essentially these products coat the lungs and sometimes chemically burn the alveoli rendering the oxygen exchange impossible: victims suffocate.

Sad.

Just smoke weed.

Times like these makes me wish we would legalize the real stuff to prevent this unnecessary risk.

This. Bath Salts are so bad for you and they change 1 ingridient every day too stay legal.

 

[Irish YJ]

His new nickname should be "square grouper"

 

[koonja]

I guess the honey badger really doesn't give a ****.

 

[Irishcop]

Chemical burns galore.

Essentially these products coat the lungs and sometimes chemically burn the alveoli rendering the oxygen exchange impossible: victims suffocate.

Sad.

Just smoke weed.

Times like these makes me wish we would legalize the real stuff to prevent this unnecessary risk.

Mr. Klillz I agree with yoy 100%. I have never seen good old earth grown marijuana do what this synthetic s*** does to people.

 

[STLDomer]

SIAP

“@BFeldmanCBS: Following up on the Josh Jasper tweet, Tyrann Mathieu is looking at transferring to McNeese State according to a source.”

 

[irishtrain]

Frankly I'm surprised-but this is refreshing to hear. I wonder if they were'nt loaded at DB and if it was the QB if they'd still do it. Nothing new as far as I'm concerned.

 

[PLACforever]

THATS why he's so sleepy. He didn't get bit by a cobra, he was on weed!
Got the munchies and ate some "eww gross... larva"
Bottom line, both Honey Badger and Les Miles apparently don't give a f***.

Ps- thanks for the treat STUPID!

 

[Rhode Irish]

It's illegal. Doens't matter if there are advantages or not (obviously not).

It's a LEGAL issue....

Are you really too lazy to read back one post to see that we addressed that in the conversation? Just to humor you: it is barely illegal at this point (most civilized American states and foreign countries have either legalized it to some degree or decriminalized it), and it is only a matter of time before it is completely legal everywhere.

But the bigger point is that nobody should care about whether an athlete or anyone else uses marijuana. Just because something is illegal (for now) doesn't mean it is per se "bad". That is a dangerously stupid way to think about the world. Most laws make sense, but there are certainly quite a few dumb laws that don't make any sense at all.


Also, this is NOT a legal issue, since there is nothing to indicate he was arrested for any drug-related offense; he apparently popped on a urine test, which is decidedly not illegal.

 

[Cogs]

I'd just like to say that I get baked and watch the ND game saturday mornings and it's the greatest experience ever. Crank up the fight song during the pre game. it's awesome. Go irish.

And this is bullshit he got suspended, in my opinion. But I'm guessing it's steroids rather than weed.

 

[irishog77]

Are you really too lazy to read back one post to see that we addressed that in the conversation? Just to humor you: it is barely illegal at this point (most civilized American states and foreign countries have either legalized it to some degree or decriminalized it), and it is only a matter of time before it is completely legal everywhere.

But the bigger point is that nobody should care about whether an athlete or anyone else uses marijuana. Just because something is illegal (for now) doesn't mean it is per se "bad". That is a dangerously stupid way to think about the world. Most laws make sense, but there are certainly quite a few dumb laws that don't make any sense at all.


Also, this is NOT a legal issue, since there is nothing to indicate he was arrested for any drug-related offense; he apparently popped on a urine test, which is decidedly not illegal.

Assuming this marijuana talk is all true about Mathieu:

It is a legal issue in the sense that is illegal to do...and the NCAA or universities NOT punishing athletes for breaking the law would be ridiculous.

As far as I know, theft and rape don't help football players play any better...yet they still tend to get punished for committing those crimes. And while it may not even be against the law, a player or his family receiving improper benefits doesn't necessarily help him play any better...yet he and his school get punished for engaging in that behavior.

Personally, I have no fight or strong feelings in the legalization of marijuana debate. But today it is against the law. Wether you're for or against marijuana doesn't really matter. Mathieu (and virtually every other person in America) knows this and knew there could be repercussions from his university, the NCAA, or even legal authorities...yet still decided to proceed in the manner he did. Many schools, clubs, corporations, etc. have codes of conduct required for its members/participants/employees. Some of these rules go above and beyond the law of the land. As far as I know, Mathieu wasn't told he couldn't smoke weed and go to school at LSU-- but I'll bet you anything he was told he couldn't smoke weed...AND PLAY FOOTBALL at LSU. Maybe this discussion should be more about Mathieu and his actions and lack of accountability, discipline, respect, and commitment to his team and school than it is about the merits of somebody being against smoking weed.

 

[irishog77]

I'd just like to say that I get baked and watch the ND game saturday mornings and it's the greatest experience ever. Crank up the fight song during the pre game. it's awesome. Go irish.

And this is bullshit he got suspended, in my opinion. But I'm guessing it's steroids rather than weed.

NDOM, is that you?

 

[Rhode Irish]

Assuming this marijuana talk is all true about Mathieu:

It is a legal issue in the sense that is illegal to do...and the NCAA or universities NOT punishing athletes for breaking the law would be ridiculous.

As far as I know, theft and rape don't help football players play any better...yet they still tend to get punished for committing those crimes. And while it may not even be against the law, a player or his family receiving improper benefits doesn't necessarily help him play any better...yet he and his school get punished for engaging in that behavior.

Personally, I have no fight or strong feelings in the legalization of marijuana debate. But today it is against the law. Wether you're for or against marijuana doesn't really matter. Mathieu (and virtually every other person in America) knows this and knew there could be repercussions from his university, the NCAA, or even legal authorities...yet still decided to proceed in the manner he did. Many schools, clubs, corporations, etc. have codes of conduct required for its members/participants/employees. Some of these rules go above and beyond the law of the land. As far as I know, Mathieu wasn't told he couldn't smoke weed and go to school at LSU-- but I'll bet you anything he was told he couldn't smoke weed...AND PLAY FOOTBALL at LSU. Maybe this discussion should be more about Mathieu and his actions and lack of accountability, discipline, respect, and commitment to his team and school than it is about the merits of somebody being against smoking weed.

Um...no. It is not a legal issue. It is a school issue. He isn't charged with a crime, he is charged with violating team/school policy. And the policy is absurd.

And did you really compare smoking marijuana, which - if harmful - is only harmful to oneself, to rape and theft? No offense, but that is one of the craziest things I've ever heard. A more apt analogy would be speeding, although even that is a stretch because speeding also carries some risk of harm to another person. Schools do not just indiscriminately throw people out any time they break any law. There are value judgments at play in the formation of policy. I'd expect a more reasoned approach to drug "offenses" (again, no alleged crime here that I know of) from a supposed enlightened institution of higher learning.

 

[irishog77]

Then we're arguing semantics-- it's a school issue...because it is against the law and, apparently, against team rules. Something tells me the school and team probably have a rule against it...(wait for it)...because it's against the law. If you see no connection (or rather, choose not to) between the school, team, or NCAA rules and the legal code of Louisiana and/or the United States of America, then we can stop this debate right now.

It's being said he failed 3-6 tests. How many more chances should he get? Should the 7th failed drug test finally be "policy" for not letting a player continue to receive a free education and play football at your school? It appears from what we know, that either the 3rd or 6th time of breaking the law is when Mathieu was thrown out? I'd say that's anything but "indiscriminately" throwing a kid out.

Please tell us all then, what rules and policies should be enforced...and which should fall by the wayside?

I can't tell if you really want to just argue this or simply believe in the injustice of marijuana laws so strongly...but either way and at some point, you probably need to acknowledge and accept Mathieu's role and culpability in him being thrown off the team. I'd hope personal accountability is something you would believe a supposed enlightened institution of higher learning attempts to bestow on its students.

I'll leave you with one final analogy to see if you'll grasp or admit to personal accountability. Let's say you have a job that requires you to be at work at 8am everyday. You're told this by your boss and your coworkers. It is written into your contract. It is written into the company handbook. Also told to you by your boss and coworkers and written into your contract and written in the company handbook is that being late (without prior notice) to the workplace on 7 different occasions in a 1 year period is grounds and cause for dismissal. Now, you've shown up 6 times at 8:01am, and finally, on the 7th time, you show up at 8:01 again and are dismissed from the workplace. Sure, you could argue that 1 measly minute is pretty insignificant and doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things (and yeah, you'd have a point), or how unfair and ridiculous of a policy it is (and maybe it is), and how unjust it is for you to lose your job over such a small infraction that shouldn't really matter (at least in your mind). You can and are perfectly able to do all those things. You can also finally look yourself in the mirror and admit, "Yeah, I screwed up. Despite what I personally thought of the rule, I should have followed it and made myself get up and leave the house 1 minute earlier those 7 times. If I did that, I'd still have a job."

That's my whole point-- and why I said that maybe the debate should shine towards MATHIEU AND HIS ACTIONS...not a drug policy or laws against the drug that you personally don't like.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Dude, I don't care about Mathieu at all. I'm not even defending him. He made his own informed decisions and he can live with them. My point is that, in general, the idea of testing athletes for marijuana is as offensively stupid as anything I can think of. You keep saying it is illegal, like that somehow justifies the practice, but it misses the point entirely. If an athlete is arrested and charged with a drug crime, treat that as you would any other crime if you are so inclined. But why are we so concerned about smoking pot that we are going out of our way to test for it?

You bring up how many tests he's failed like that should matter to me. If LSU wants to have an inane rule about drug tests and punishments, then they should have tossed him after one or two tests. I'm not interested in defending this kid. I'm interested in why they care about marijuana enough to have a policy and test for it at all. In my opinion, failing 100 tests is no worse than failing one because I don't think smoking weed is a "bad" thing for a person to do. It may still be illegal in some states, but the same could have been said at some point for many things we now fully accept. I think it is a waste of time and resources, and apparently individual talent in some cases, to fight this battle that has absolutely no justification.

 

[RyCo1983]

I agree that MJ should be legalized. No doubt there...


Regardless of whether or not the policy is absurd, wrong, idiotic, it DOES NOT MATTER. It is still policy and needs to be respected as such until it is changed. To speed up change, you need to voice your opinion. But until there is a change in legal code and policy, they need to be respected, or you will be punished if caught.

SIMPLE.

You guys are getting off topic talking about drug legalization and how stupid it is to have marijuana illegal. This is about Matthieu's violation of Team policy.

 

[obi wan mahoney]

It's unfortunate for the kid; he blew a huge opportunity. If you can't keep your nose clean at a SEC school, I'm not sure how many NFL teams are going to risk big bucks on an undersized db.

 

[PANDFAN]

"The juice" is much harder to test for as normal urinalysis doesn't normally yield results as in Winstrol and Deca or Test for that matter.

It would require an endocrine test via blood.

And it's expensive as hell.


Is this a normal NCAA protocol to test for roids?

Sorry sir...this is incorrect....the metabolites are easily detected during a urinalysis for steroids...the way Patrick Arnold the guru of dev steroids such as the clear for bonds and the whole balco saga was use or manipulate steroids in vida...which just hadn't been manufactured b4

 

[johnnykillz]

Sorry sir...this is incorrect....the metabolites are easily detected during a urinalysis for steroids...the way Patrick Arnold the guru of dev steroids such as the clear for bonds and the whole balco saga was use or manipulate steroids in vida...which just hadn't been manufactured b4

For which steroid? All of them?

Interesting.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I am not arguing about legalization of marijuana or about whether this kid violated team rules and should be punished. I am specifically arguing its a dumb policy. There is no reason to test for marijuana. They aren't auditing for bank fraud, or searching hard drives for internet crimes. What makes marijuana different? Hell, as we've seen here, they aren't kicking guys off teams and out of schools for drunk driving. If anything, there are less reasons to test and punish people for marijuana use. I'm looking for someone to explain a rationale for testing, and don't say "because it's illegal," because obviously they aren't focusing on all manner of illegal activity or treating it all the same.

 

[RyCo1983]

I am not arguing about legalization of marijuana or about whether this kid violated team rules and should be punished. I am specifically arguing its a dumb policy. There is no reason to test for marijuana. They aren't auditing for bank fraud, or searching hard drives for internet crimes. What makes marijuana different? Hell, as we've seen here, they aren't kicking guys off teams and out of schools for drunk driving. If anything, there are less reasons to test and punish people for marijuana use. I'm looking for someone to explain a rationale for testing, and don't say "because it's illegal," because obviously they aren't focusing on all manner of illegal activity or treating it all the same.

This isn't the thread for that discussion. But that is pretty much the only rationale that there is.

I agree with you.

 

[Rhode Irish]

This isn't the thread for that discussion. But that is pretty much the only rationale that there is.

I agree with you.

A kid gets kicked off of a team and out of school because he violated a policy, and the thread about that situation is not the place to discuss the wisdom of that policy? I think it is a pretty relevant part of the conversation. Really, what else is there to talk about?

 

[RyCo1983]

A kid gets kicked off of a team and out of school because he violated a policy, and the thread about that situation is not the place to discuss the wisdom of that policy? I think it is a pretty relevant part of the conversation. Really, what else is there to talk about?

Well if you feel the need to argue the same points repeatedly have at it.

 

[ACamp1900]

I doubt we hear about this kid in any meaningful way again...