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Good read, I'm not sure what to make of this whole situation until everything is finalized. I want us to remain independent, but if it is better for us to join a conference, so be it, but with a heavy heart.
 

IrishandColts

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Joining the Big 12 in everything but football is fine by me even if we have to play 3-6 big 12 teams in football
 

yankeeND

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Swarbrick has done a great job through the ever changing world of college football. If we can't remain Independent in football, Swarbrick will put us in the best situation for joining a conference. I have a lot of faith in him!
 

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i agree with yankee. losing independence would be very disappointing, but i trust swarbrick's judgment enough to assume we'd be in good shape for the long run.
 

Pops Freshenmeyer

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Joining the Big 12 in everything but football is fine by me even if we have to play 3-6 big 12 teams in football

IMO, the single factor most likely to push ND football into a conference is the expanding conference schedules which may choke off ND's ability to fill its slate with suitable opponents.

From that perspective, the Big 12's scheduling demands under the supposed deal could be a feature and not a bug.
 

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IMO, the single factor most likely to push ND football into a conference is the expanding conference schedules which may choke off ND's ability to fill its slate with suitable opponents.

From that perspective, the Big 12's scheduling demands under the supposed deal could be a feature and not a bug.

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IMO, the single factor most likely to push ND football into a conference is the expanding conference schedules which may choke off ND's ability to fill its slate with suitable opponents.

From that perspective, the Big 12's scheduling demands under the supposed deal could be a feature and not a bug.

I'll add that another factor would be the decline of the SEC. If they're (or any other conference) not consistently not having two teams good enough to make the playoffs, having conference champions only becomes more likely.
 

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I'll add that another factor would be the decline of the SEC. If they're (or any other conference) not consistently not having two teams good enough to make the playoffs, having conference champions only becomes more likely.

I agree, but I think the Big 10 becomes that conference in 5-10 years, and will be pushing for the non-champions requirement. Unlike the Big 12, who actually supported this requirement, and who realistically has 2 programs (Texas and Oklahoma) capable of sustaining a BCS level of excellence over a period of time, the Big 10 has at least 5:
OSU, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Nebraska and also Wisconsin, who may have reached their ceiling in the last 2 years but theyve been a force recently. All the aforementioned programs except michigan state are on the rise, and Sparty's been pretty damn good, could realistically be BCS this year. And we all know how stubborn the Big 10 was while it wasn't winning, I see Mr. Delaney absolutely bludgeoning people with his leverage if this situation comes to pass.

On a slightly unrelated note, I can legitimately see a situation in which the Big East finally stabilizes, with football being relegated to a Mountain West sort of conference but the basketball and olympic sports staying prominent. And if ACC instability continues, I think there is a legitimate case to be made that the relatively big-time basketball programs in the big east (ND, Marquette, UConn, Louisville, etc) get together with UNC and Duke and create a basketball superconference like the Big East was originally supposed to be, with no one really paying attention to football.
 

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Rather be in the ACC if we have to move but Texas having their own TV network creates a nice precident for us in the B12.
 
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