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THIS LADY CAN SMOKE MY POLE. Its these kind of people that take these extreme measures like this that freak out the younger people of our generation. I know times could get tough in the future but jesus!!!!! What a DOUCHE BAG.


Energy fears looming, new survivalists prepare
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Writer Posted Sat May 24, 2008 11:12am PDT

Peter Laskowski stacks firewood at his remote home in Waitsfield, Vt., Friday, April 11, 2008. Convinced that the planet's oil supply is dwindling and the world's economies are heading for a crash, people around the country are moving onto homesteads, learning to live off their land, conserving fuel and, in some cases, stocking up on guns they expect to use to defend themselves and their supplies from desperate crowds of people who didn't prepare. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot)
BUSKIRK, N.Y. - A few years ago, Kathleen Breault was just another suburban grandma, driving countless hours every week, stopping for lunch at McDonald's, buying clothes at the mall, watching TV in the evenings.

That was before Breault heard an author talk about the bleak future of the world's oil supply. Now, she's preparing for the world as we know it to disappear.

Breault cut her driving time in half. She switched to a diet of locally grown foods near her upstate New York home and lost 70 pounds. She sliced up her credit cards, banished her television and swore off plane travel. She began relying on a wood-burning stove.

"I was panic-stricken," the 50-year-old recalled, her voice shaking. "Devastated. Depressed. Afraid. Vulnerable. Weak. Alone. Just terrible."

Convinced the planet's oil supply is dwindling and the world's economies are heading for a crash, some people around the country are moving onto homesteads, learning to live off their land, conserving fuel and, in some cases, stocking up on guns they expect to use to defend themselves and their supplies from desperate crowds of people who didn't prepare.

The exact number of people taking such steps is impossible to determine, but anecdotal evidence suggests that the movement has been gaining momentum in the last few years.

These energy survivalists are not leading some sort of green revolution meant to save the planet. Many of them believe it is too late for that, seeing signs in soaring fuel and food prices and a faltering U.S. economy, and are largely focused on saving themselves.

Some are doing it quietly, giving few details of their preparations — afraid that revealing such information as the location of their supplies will endanger themselves and their loved ones. They envision a future in which the nation's cities will be filled with hungry, desperate refugees forced to go looking for food, shelter and water.

"There's going to be things that happen when people can't get things that they need for themselves and their families," said Lynn-Marie, who believes cities could see a rise in violence as early as 2012.

Lynn-Marie asked to be identified by her first name to protect her homestead in rural western Idaho. Many of these survivalists declined to speak to The Associated Press for similar reasons.

These survivalists believe in "peak oil," the idea that world oil production is set to hit a high point and then decline. Scientists who support idea say the amount of oil produced in the world each year has already or will soon begin a downward slide, even amid increased demand. But many scientists say such a scenario will be avoided as other sources of energy come in to fill the void.

On the PeakOil.com Web site, where upward of 800 people gathered on recent evenings, believers engage in a debate about what kind of world awaits.

Some members argue there will be no financial crash, but a slow slide into harder times. Some believe the federal government will respond to the loss of energy security with a clampdown on personal freedoms. Others simply don't trust that the government can maintain basic services in the face of an energy crisis.

The powers that be, they've determined, will be largely powerless to stop what is to come.

Determined to guard themselves from potentially harsh times ahead, Lynn-Marie and her husband have already planted an orchard of about 40 trees and built a greenhouse on their 7 1/2 acres. They have built their own irrigation system. They've begun to raise chickens and pigs, and they've learned to slaughter them.

The couple have gotten rid of their TV and instead have been reading dusty old books published in their grandparents' era, books that explain the simpler lifestyle they are trying to revive. Lynn-Marie has been teaching herself how to make soap. Her husband, concerned about one day being unable to get medications, has been training to become an herbalist.

By 2012, they expect to power their property with solar panels, and produce their own meat, milk and vegetables. When things start to fall apart, they expect their children and grandchildren will come back home and help them work the land. She envisions a day when the family may have to decide whether to turn needy people away from their door.

"People will be unprepared," she said. "And we can imagine marauding hordes."

So can Peter Laskowski. Living in a woodsy area outside of Montpelier, Vt., the 57-year-old retiree has become the local constable and a deputy sheriff for his county, as well as an emergency medical technician.

"I decided there was nothing like getting the training myself to deal with insurrections, if that's a possibility," said the former executive recruiter.

Laskowski is taking steps similar to environmentalists: conserving fuel, consuming less, studying global warming, and relying on local produce and craftsmen. Laskowski is powering his home with solar panels and is raising fish, geese, ducks and sheep. He has planted apple and pear trees and is growing lettuce, spinach and corn.

Whenever possible, he uses his bicycle to get into town.

"I remember the oil crisis in '73; I remember waiting in line for gas," Laskowski said. "If there is a disruption in the oil supply it will be very quickly elevated into a disaster."

Breault said she hopes to someday band together with her neighbors to form a self-sufficient community. Women will always be having babies, she notes, and she imagines her skills as a midwife will always be in demand.

For now, she is readying for the more immediate work ahead: There's a root cellar to dig, fruit trees and vegetable plots to plant. She has put a bicycle on layaway, and soon she'll be able to bike to visit her grandkids even if there is no oil at the pump.

Whatever the shape of things yet to come, she said, she's done what she can to prepare.
 

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The future is fine regardless of what people say. It really pisses me off when you hear about this. We are not even close to out of oil, its just that our government isnt willing to drill(ALASKA HAS MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF OIL). And about her studying global warming, dont even get me started on that. I have countless sources proving that a lie
 

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The future is fine regardless of what people say. It really pisses me off when you hear about this. We are not even close to out of oil, its just that our government isnt willing to drill(ALASKA HAS MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF OIL). And about her studying global warming, dont even get me started on that. I have countless sources proving that a lie

I hear ya buddy. I couldnt believe it when I read this. We have enough oil in Alaska alone to last us for the next 400 years. These kind of people make me want to vomit.
 

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We have enough oil in Alaska alone to last us for the next 400 years.

I'm not sure where you get 400 years. At our current consumption of 21 million barrels PER DAY, the 10.4 billion barrels guestimated in Alaska is a drop in the hat. There is a sizable amount of oil there, but if it supplied ALL of our oil (which won't happen), it would last just a few years.
Would drilling more Alaskan oil cut prices? - Answer desk - MSNBC.com

As much as I hate paying $4+ for gas, maybe it will make people quit buying ridiculous huge SUVs. Hopefully, the auto manufacturers, will be forced to make more fuel efficient vehicles, and half the available vehicles won't be 10-20mpg pigs.
 
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I love the SUV hybrid commercials when they are like now more fuel effecient than any other vehicle. you look in the fine print and it only gets 21 miles per gallon haha. How much does the Prius get per gallon
 

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I heard that there was enough oil in Alaska to last for 100 years. It was years ago so I don't remember where I heard it from. I also heard that Canada has more untapped oil than Saudi Arabia, that I know is a fact.
 

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Its the environmental wackos that wont let us drill because of the caribou. Get this. The pipelines we do have up there the caribous are attracted to because it gives them warmth and have reproduced more than ever. Where as the Environmental wackos who have no facts think it kills them all!
 

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In about 200 years we will be back riding horse if we keep this up. Oh!! we can't they will be at our neighbor race track entertaining us.
 

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Its the environmental wackos that wont let us drill because of the caribou. Get this. The pipelines we do have up there the caribous are attracted to because it gives them warmth and have reproduced more than ever. Where as the Environmental wackos who have no facts think it kills them all!

I'm no tree hugger, but I think drilling in Alaska is like putting a band-aid on a bullethole. We need to use less oil, and work on developing alternatives. Alaska would supply at most 10% of our daily usage.
 

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I love the SUV hybrid commercials when they are like now more fuel effecient than any other vehicle. you look in the fine print and it only gets 21 miles per gallon haha. How much does the Prius get per gallon

Prius is rated at 48 city, 40 highway. It actually gets more in the city due to regenerative braking. Before long, maybe there will be a better selection of Hybrids to choose from.
 

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Welll the problem with all this is its not really our fault. I believe US consumption of Oil in the last year went up by like .5 percent. and We basically use the same amount of oil now as we did 30 years ago. We have more efficinet cars now then we did then we just have more of them. The big problem is two fold, you have speculators in the market that are driving the price of oil through the roof. I have heard estimates of nearly 60 dollars of the price of oil is pure investor money. Second, China and India who previously were pretty much undeveloped countries are now starting to grow and expand at unbelievable rates. In the next 10-20 years these two countries will consume just about every barrel of oil drilled in the world on a daily basis.

It would be simple to solve our problems, drill in alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, start using the coal to gas technology that we have but the government won't allow to be used in the private sector,( we are the world's largest producer of coal and have the largest coal reserves) and we need to start building refineries because whats the point of drilling if we can't refine it fast enough.
 

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I just heard Friday that several oil companies are working on microbes who's natural waste byproduct is gasoline. No refining needed. See link:
Technology Review: Making Gasoline from Bacteria
And on a related note, I got an e-mail from my sister-in-law (who is very intelligent and whom we love) about this very same end-of-the-world economy crash and riot stuff. It was very detailed with lots of sites for me to "research". Told all about the Rex 84 labor camps Halliburton was paid to construct to emprison all the people who stand against the One World Government that is coming, etc., etc. And I am supposed to dump all my 401K, cash, mutual funds, etc., and roll them into gold and silver by then or else I will not have any money. But to me, if the worlds economies fail so badly, it would become a complete barter system so even gold would hold limited value.
 

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Junkhead, i by no means dont think we should not start looking for alternative energy sources. But that takes time to develop and during that time we should drill where we got it. Believe me i hope in a time soon to come we can use hydrogen or whatever source it is.
 

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The future is fine regardless of what people say. It really pisses me off when you hear about this. We are not even close to out of oil, its just that our government isnt willing to drill(ALASKA HAS MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF OIL). And about her studying global warming, dont even get me started on that. I have countless sources proving that a lie

You need to read more...Alaska has MAYBE enough Oil to keep the US going for 6 months...that's all.
 

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I hear ya buddy. I couldnt believe it when I read this. We have enough oil in Alaska alone to last us for the next 400 years. These kind of people make me want to vomit.

400 years? Are you joking?
 

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I'm no tree hugger, but I think drilling in Alaska is like putting a band-aid on a bullethole. We need to use less oil, and work on developing alternatives. Alaska would supply at most 10% of our daily usage.

10% for 5 years...then ANWR is done.
 

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while these people might end up saving a few bucks by becoming more energy independent, all the fear isnt quite neccesary. the price of oil will eventually get high enough that people will start cutting back, at which point the market will determine the most efficient alternative energy scource to develop and sell.
 

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400 years? Are you joking?

Huge Alaska Oil Reserves Go Unused
After 30 years, an insider finally acknowledges the United States has all the oil and gas it needs.
Exclusive to The SPOTLIGHT
By Marie Gunther
The United States has more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia but this happy though shocking information has been covered up for years.

The wells have been drilled, it's merely a matter of turning on the faucets to supply America's needs for 200 years.

These astounding revelations have been confirmed by a 30-year veteran oil exe cutive with leukemia who has decided to speak out.

In 1980, Lindsey Williams wrote a book, The Energy Non-Crisis, based upon his eye witness accounts during the construction of the Trans-Alaska pipeline. As a chaplain assigned to executive status and the advisory board of Atlantic Richfield & Co. (ARCO), he was privy to detailed information.

"All of our energy problems could have been solved in the '70s with the huge discovery of oil under Gull Island, Prudhoe Bay, Alaska," Williams said. "There is more pure grade oil there than in all of Saudi Arabia. Gull Island contains as much oil and natural gas as Americans could use in 200 years."

Oddly though, immediately after this massive discovery, the federal government ordered the rigs to be capped and oil production shut down.

Developing Alaskan oil would make the United States completely independent of oil imports, Williams said in his book.

Why is the government covering up such good news? Why does it want to be dependent on imported oil? Do international financiers who are heavily invested in the oil industry want to keep the supply limited and prices up?

Will the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, chaired by Sen. Frank Murkowski (R-Alaska), investigate what could be a criminal cover-up? Will the appropriate House committees in quire? Or the Justice Department? Since the cover-up has extended through four presidential administrations, only public outrage can force action.

"Everything you hear on the evening news and out of Washington is garbage," said Jim Lawler, an oil production manager with ARCO. "Eight wells have already been drilled in the areas environmentalists are claiming we must not go in. We have already been in and out. There was no damage done. All we need to do is start production."

The mainstream media is mind-molding public opinion by repeatedly showing running caribou, touting environmentalists' claims that the caribou and other endangered species and habitats would be destroyed.

"The Alaska Fish and Game Depart ment just did a study on the por cupine car i bou in Prudhoe Bay. The size of the herds has increased since 1969 by 35 percent. The pipeline area is a protected designation and the caribou have figured this out. They have migrated into this area for protection," Lawler said.

The Alaskan pipeline was built in 1977 and runs from Prudhoe Bay to the southern shores of Alaska in Valdez.

Lawler maintains that several things can be done to reduce American energy bills.

The Alaskan pipeline can be permitted to run at full capacity. In addition, the Department of Energy can allow a new pipeline to be built across Canada and con nected to the existing system in the United States.

Alaska can also ship oil to the West Coast immediately. Alaskan oil is of such high grade and low sulfur content that it can be utilized at any refinery, without damage to the environment.

"Currently, an estimated 4,000 barrels a day are liquefied at Prudhoe Bay, but government regulation controls that limit," added Lawler.

Liquefying is the process by which oil sludge brought from the ground is pro cessed to be transported.

Lawler said the existing Alaskan pipe line was built to hold another four-foot diameter pipe above it, which could be used for natural gas. However, he said it "is not ne cessary because the Alaskan pipe line has never been permitted to run at full capacity."

This same situation can be multiplied in Wyoming, Texas and other oil-productive areas across the country. The government has imposed strict orders not to produce.

And in a real emergency, Lawler contends hydrogen plants can sprout up in less than six months with just a nuclear reactor placed at sea.

"One nuclear reactor can power all of Los Angeles," Lawler said.

Natural gas is readily available; Prud hoe Bay has 48 747-jet engines pumping one billion cubic feet of natural gas back into the ground 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They have nowhere else to put the natural gas.

SPOTLIGHT readers can get Lindsey Williams's book, The Energy Non-Crisis, for $7 plus S&H by calling toll free 1-800-321-2900.
 
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Huge Alaska Oil Reserves Go Unused
After 30 years, an insider finally acknowledges the United States has all the oil and gas it needs.
Exclusive to The SPOTLIGHT
By Marie Gunther
The United States has more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia but this happy though shocking information has been covered up for years.

The wells have been drilled, it's merely a matter of turning on the faucets to supply America's needs for 200 years.

These astounding revelations have been confirmed by a 30-year veteran oil exe cutive with leukemia who has decided to speak out.

In 1980, Lindsey Williams wrote a book, The Energy Non-Crisis, based upon his eye witness accounts during the construction of the Trans-Alaska pipeline. As a chaplain assigned to executive status and the advisory board of Atlantic Richfield & Co. (ARCO), he was privy to detailed information.

"All of our energy problems could have been solved in the '70s with the huge discovery of oil under Gull Island, Prudhoe Bay, Alaska," Williams said. "There is more pure grade oil there than in all of Saudi Arabia. Gull Island contains as much oil and natural gas as Americans could use in 200 years."

Oddly though, immediately after this massive discovery, the federal government ordered the rigs to be capped and oil production shut down.

Developing Alaskan oil would make the United States completely independent of oil imports, Williams said in his book.

Why is the government covering up such good news? Why does it want to be dependent on imported oil? Do international financiers who are heavily invested in the oil industry want to keep the supply limited and prices up?

Will the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, chaired by Sen. Frank Murkowski (R-Alaska), investigate what could be a criminal cover-up? Will the appropriate House committees in quire? Or the Justice Department? Since the cover-up has extended through four presidential administrations, only public outrage can force action.

"Everything you hear on the evening news and out of Washington is garbage," said Jim Lawler, an oil production manager with ARCO. "Eight wells have already been drilled in the areas environmentalists are claiming we must not go in. We have already been in and out. There was no damage done. All we need to do is start production."

The mainstream media is mind-molding public opinion by repeatedly showing running caribou, touting environmentalists' claims that the caribou and other endangered species and habitats would be destroyed.

"The Alaska Fish and Game Depart ment just did a study on the por cupine car i bou in Prudhoe Bay. The size of the herds has increased since 1969 by 35 percent. The pipeline area is a protected designation and the caribou have figured this out. They have migrated into this area for protection," Lawler said.

The Alaskan pipeline was built in 1977 and runs from Prudhoe Bay to the southern shores of Alaska in Valdez.

Lawler maintains that several things can be done to reduce American energy bills.

The Alaskan pipeline can be permitted to run at full capacity. In addition, the Department of Energy can allow a new pipeline to be built across Canada and con nected to the existing system in the United States.

Alaska can also ship oil to the West Coast immediately. Alaskan oil is of such high grade and low sulfur content that it can be utilized at any refinery, without damage to the environment.

"Currently, an estimated 4,000 barrels a day are liquefied at Prudhoe Bay, but government regulation controls that limit," added Lawler.

Liquefying is the process by which oil sludge brought from the ground is pro cessed to be transported.

Lawler said the existing Alaskan pipe line was built to hold another four-foot diameter pipe above it, which could be used for natural gas. However, he said it "is not ne cessary because the Alaskan pipe line has never been permitted to run at full capacity."

This same situation can be multiplied in Wyoming, Texas and other oil-productive areas across the country. The government has imposed strict orders not to produce.

And in a real emergency, Lawler contends hydrogen plants can sprout up in less than six months with just a nuclear reactor placed at sea.

"One nuclear reactor can power all of Los Angeles," Lawler said.

Natural gas is readily available; Prud hoe Bay has 48 747-jet engines pumping one billion cubic feet of natural gas back into the ground 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They have nowhere else to put the natural gas.

SPOTLIGHT readers can get Lindsey Williams's book, The Energy Non-Crisis, for $7 plus S&H by calling toll free 1-800-321-2900.

thank you ndom. i knew you would come through haha
 

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Infowars.com -- Talk Radio's Alex Jones v. the New World Order

That is the link from the above article. It is refering to a book from 1980! Most *experts* acknowledge the proven oil reserves in Alaska are nowhere near what that guy said (30 years ago). Much of the oil that article refers to is "oil sludge", which is much more expensive and time consuming to recover. I'd be happy if that article were true, but it doesn't seem all that reputable.
 
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I knew it was a long time was thinking 100 yrs. good find...open the reserves

So that article (from 30 years ago) is the absolute truth? :krazy: Looks like finding what you want to hear!
 

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Well, I think "came through with nothing" may be a little harsh. That article is old and represents one side, while the other article provided I think undercuts the full capacity and is jaded to the other side of the argument. Overall, you are probably right and anwar only presents a portion of our needs for limited time, but at least it is a start. There are also wells that could be drilled off Florida or the West coast (I mean, the Chinese are already there so why shouldn't we be?). But perhaps if we could go after the new find in ND/SD that represent an estimated 200 billion barrels.
Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x

But once again, we don't really know for a fact how much in in Anwar or ND/SD until they start drilling. And overall, I would rather see the hydrogen engines put into mass market, but there are issues with that (cost of the vehicle and lack of a current distribution system). But we have some smart people in this coutnry who I'm sure could help institute some solutions.
 
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