What would you do?

[hrc08]

Err its a no brainer. 357 NCAA violations. Murdered player, players dismissed, arrested etc. THREE HUNDRED & FIFTY SIX violations. Think about that.

His *** would be fired.

Exactly, BK or any other coach at ND wouldn't have made it too this point. National title or not, ND would have fired Tressel a long time ago.

 

[dre1919]

If everything had come to light that BK had done what Jim Tressel had done I would demand his release. Seriously...ethics should still matter and even though schools are more football factories than schools for some of these players, the fact they ARE schools should still be important. All OSU showed was that all that mattered was winning. Rules, morals and conscience be damned...winning trumps all. Way to sell your soul, OSU.

 

[kmoose]

If everything had come to light that BK had done what Jim Tressel had done I would demand his release. Seriously...ethics should still matter and even though schools are more football factories than schools for some of these players, the fact they ARE schools should still be important.

I don't disagree with the importance of ethics. But, I do wonder if you are saying that the only way to show their import to you, is to fire a coach who has an excellent reputation? If I were the AD at OSU (Gene Smith is a former ND football player, by the way, so your indictment of the handling of the situation is, in a very roundabout way, an indictment of the teachings of ND), I would have suspended Tressel for the entire season. I would have prohibited him from engaging in any team activities, outside of recruiting. I think that this would have made a strong statement, but also recognized the contributions he has made in his time at the school/

 

[IrishLax]

I don't disagree with the importance of ethics. But, I do wonder if you are saying that the only way to show their import to you, is to fire a coach who has an excellent reputation? If I were the AD at OSU (Gene Smith is a former ND football player, by the way, so your indictment of the handling of the situation is, in a very roundabout way, an indictment of the teachings of ND), I would have suspended Tressel for the entire season. I would have prohibited him from engaging in any team activities, outside of recruiting. I think that this would have made a strong statement, but also recognized the contributions he has made in his time at the school/

Did not know Gene Smith was a former ND player. Go figure. Learn something new every day.

 

[kmoose]

Did not know Gene Smith was a former ND player. Go figure. Learn something new every day.

Smith grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and attended the University of Notre Dame on a football scholarship. He played four years of football as a defensive end for the Irish and was a member of the 1973 Associated Press national championship team. Smith received his bachelor's degree in business administration from Notre Dame in 1977. Following graduation, he joined the Notre Dame coaching staff under Dan Devine and remained in that capacity until 1981. The 1977 Notre Dame team captured the undisputed national championship.

It's up to me and Old Man Mike to keep the history alive. Although his history goes back much further than mine, it seems.

 

[irishmatty]

i kind of dont understand why everyone is upset..he is not our coach and last time i checked tOSU

 

[irishmatty]

sorry previous post got sent prematurely....tOSU said they were not going to fire him anyways??? He is not that bad of a guy and a coach can do much worst than withholding information. There are many reasons why they did not fire him - he wins more than any other coach, he has raised millions for the hospital, the James, and the new library (even donating millions from his own pocket). He has two books and donates the proceed to various charities - not just his pocket. His team GPA is solid and has an increasing graduation rate. He is without a doubt one of the best recruiters and his players love him like family. A team could fire their coach but they do not have a Jim Tressel. I have met him a few times and what you see is what you get. I have heard through channels that some recruits see this as him protecting his players and they love it. Lets not forget that had his players not sold their stuff, he would not be in this mess in the first place but you cant watch them 24-7 and kids will act like kids.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Only news that has caught my attention, besides local (i'm wearing shorts and a smog mask) is Japan and Sheen. I don't watch ESPN nor read (sports magazine I won't mention).

Ergo, OSU story seems like a non-issue to me...

Just my half cent. All I can afford right now...

 

[irish1958]

Apparently, these "20-22 year old Kids" also stole and sold OSU property.
Meanwhile, our "18 and 19 year old Kids" are getting killed and maimed in Afganohell.
Those OSU "Kids" knew what they were doing and so did their coach.
I am glad Tressel is a good guy, some of the time. He broke his contract and knowingly committed a major NCAA violation and then lied about it.
We fired O"Leary because he make a false statement on an application/resume for a graduate assistant when he was just a "20-22 year old kid", and failed to correct it 30 years later. He broke no laws; didn't make a major NCAA violation; lived an exemplary life with no major NCAA violations in almost 30 years of major college football; and readily admitted that he made a false statement on his resume.
And he got fired.

 

[TexasNDFan]

I'm not sure what I would do, other than want the coach fired.

As for Tressel, it seems like he's made a living on not knowing what is going on in his own program. I think the NCAA should come down hard on OSU for lack of institutional control, as this the third instance of Tressel no knowing what was going on. Maybe people should have paid more attention to Clarret when he made his accusations on his way out.

Someone posted this article on another site and it was very interesting, seems like Tressel isn't the stickler for the rules type that he tries to portray.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/newsstory?id=1920867.

 

[kmoose]

Apparently, these "20-22 year old Kids" also stole and sold OSU property.
Meanwhile, our "18 and 19 year old Kids" are getting killed and maimed in Afganohell.
Those OSU "Kids" knew what they were doing and so did their coach.
I am glad Tressel is a good guy, some of the time. He broke his contract and knowingly committed a major NCAA violation and then lied about it.
We fired O"Leary because he make a false statement on an application/resume for a graduate assistant when he was just a "20-22 year old kid", and failed to correct it 30 years later. He broke no laws; didn't make a major NCAA violation; lived an exemplary life with no major NCAA violations in almost 30 years of major college football; and readily admitted that he made a false statement on his resume.
And he got fired.

If everyone were like ND, then what would be so special about the school/program? Nothing. We would be just like everyone else.

I find it somewhat ironic that no one has mentioned that Lou Holtz left behind NCAA troubles, at every stop of his. I'm not damning Holtz. He was a great coach, and is a great man. But who's to say that Tressel isn't? If Holtz could leave a string of problems behind, and still be a good guy, why can't we believe that it's possible with Tressel?

 

[laservet]

Saw a report a couple of days ago, of the last 24 coaches in D1 who were found to have violated the same part of the regs as Tressel, only two were not fired immediately or resigned in shame immediately.

Tressel, OTOH, never even said he was sorry. He did say that he still feels good about himself, though. It certainly makes one think about all the other transgressions about which Tressel claimed ignorance. At YSU he introduced the player to the booster with the comment that the kid needed money, then pretended to be shocked that the kid wound up with cars and cash, said he assumed the booster gave him a job. And MoC with his new cars (Pryor drives new cars owned by car dealerships, too), Troy Smith taking cash from a booster, Derek Morris getting >$5k in illegal benefits, an unnamed player in '03 who was flown to California by Adidas on a private jet with Lakers tickets and everything needed to have a good time, hard to believe through all this that Tressel saw or heard nothing.

I suspect all games in which shady players were played will be vacated. That brings them back to 0-fer against the SEC. And Tressel will be forever known as a dirty coach, just like Woody will always be known for the punch; both are career defining moments.

 

[jason_h537]

tough call. At the very least you should get the same punishment the players got (5 games). I am not one calling for Tressel's job but he certainly should at least sit a year. Guy is responsible, the leader of that team.