USC game date scheduling?

irish4ever

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Does anyone know the reasoning behind the scheduling of the USC game? Why is it in mid-Oct. when ND is at home and in late Nov. when it's at USC? I never really understood this! Is it because USC teams are like a bunch of "wussies" and won't play in the cold or what? They don't have a conf. championship game to worry about preparing for, so why not always leave it at the end of Nov. each year!? All other annual opponents play basically at the same timeframe each year ... why not USC? I would love to see USC come to South Bend in late Nov. when temp is in the upper 30's and snow flurries coming down. Now talking about real football weather for a big game!
 

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this win is all i want for my bday nov 30th ill expect cash gifts from everyone waka waka waka
 

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Does anyone know the reasoning behind the scheduling of the USC game? Why is it in mid-Oct. when ND is at home and in late Nov. when it's at USC? I never really understood this! Is it because USC teams are like a bunch of "wussies" and won't play in the cold or what? They don't have a conf. championship game to worry about preparing for, so why not always leave it at the end of Nov. each year!? All other annual opponents play basically at the same timeframe each year ... why not USC? I would love to see USC come to South Bend in late Nov. when temp is in the upper 30's and snow flurries coming down. Now talking about real football weather for a big game!

they do it so the weather isn't a factor. when you play somebody evey year for over 70 years, each team is willing to accomadate the other. Why do you think that USC games played in Cali are always the last game? So the ND fans have a nice place to escape the November weather in the Midwest. It makes sense to me!
 

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I believe that sonomairish is right. But still, I can't complain. that means that ND will be in Cali on thanksgiving. Instead of ND playing at ND on thanksgiving, they can play Stanford here in lovely CA instead.

But I also thought that it had something to do with the massive amount of students not being on campus during the thanksgiving holiday. You have to consider that most of the ND student population is from all over the country. Whereas a place like SC, 80% of them are from Southern California. SO going home and coming back to campus for a game during the thanksgiving weekend is quick and easy.
 

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I had heard that at least as far as playing at SC over Thanksgiving, it was actually good for ND recruiting. In my recent memory, we've played at either USC, Standford, or Hawaii for Thanksgiving. All are pretty nice places to play weather-wise, and I was under the understanding that it was a sorta thing where you could tell recruits they'd be going somewhere nice over thanksgiving every year. But maybe I'm way off on this.
 
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Don't tell USC this, but the grass stops growing in late October!!!!
 
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Don't tell USC this, but the grass stops growing in late October!!!!

Doesn't ND use hybrid grass? A cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia? The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 4 quarters on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.
 

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they do it so the weather isn't a factor. when you play somebody evey year for over 70 years, each team is willing to accomadate the other. Why do you think that USC games played in Cali are always the last game? So the ND fans have a nice place to escape the November weather in the Midwest. It makes sense to me!

The weather was the excuse more than the reason.

Back in the days when teams travelled by train, the ND/USC game was played in late November or early December regardless of who was home team. The Thanksgiving Holiday might well have been a factor in scheduling for travel to or from although Thanksgiving wasn't a 4 day holiday back then. The game was played late in the season since the series started in 1926. It was frequently the last game but was not always last as about 10 times or 1/3 of the time in the first 30 games Army, SMU or sometime two teams played ND later. ND didn't become the USC's last game on a regular basis until after WWII.

ND fans didn't complain about the weather it was a USC coach that complained it gave ND an unfair advantage. In the late 50's there was a game with bad weather in South Bend, cold (not sure of snow), USC was ranked and ND wasn't (plus ND had Kuharich), ND won again. The SC coach claimed ND won because of the weather. He claimed the weather gave ND an inherent advantage. When you looked at the record he appeared to have a point USC was only 3-11-0, 0.214, when playing in South Bend or Chicago late in the year. However USC's record in California against ND was only 6-9-2 at the same time of the year although with warmer weather. Plus, three times USC was the home team in consecutive years, '47-'48, '50-'51, and '55-'56 going 3-2-1 in those years with the home field edge.

What really lead to the rescheduling while SC was whining about the weather was that they had lost 7 in a row in South Bend and worse were winless against Brennan and Kuharich in South Bend. It had to be the weather! It just couldn't be the coaching

1961 was the first USC game played in the midwest early in the season, October 14th, 3rd game of the year. After complaining about an unfair advantage and ND agreeing to reschedule the USC game for early in the year when played in South Bend, the ND Mystique kicked in - the weather was frigid. ND rolled up over 300 yds rushing while USC was held to -4. ND sacked the Trojan QB for 128 yds. ND won 30-0. ND's 5th straight win over SC. The zenith of Kuharich's career, his second consecutive shutout over a young SC coach named John McKay.

Since the ND home game has been moved to October, USC is 8-14-1, 0.370 a big improvement from the pre-'61 period when they were 3-11-0, 0.214.

The difference between 0.214 and .370 is an increase of 5 wins. And 3 of those 5 wins in South Bend came since Holtz retired.

USC verses ND Coaches in South Bend in Oct
Kuharich 0-1
Devore-01
Parshegian 2-2-1
Devine 2-1
Faust 1-2
Holtz 0-5
Davie 1-2
Willingham 1-1
Weis 1-0

The difference hasn't been the weather. It's primarily been McKay and Carroll.
 

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so SCum are just little bitch's . is that where your going with this bgif
 

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I believe that sonomairish is right. But still, I can't complain. that means that ND will be in Cali on thanksgiving. Instead of ND playing at ND on thanksgiving, they can play Stanford here in lovely CA instead.

But I also thought that it had something to do with the massive amount of students not being on campus during the thanksgiving holiday. You have to consider that most of the ND student population is from all over the country. Whereas a place like SC, 80% of them are from Southern California. SO going home and coming back to campus for a game during the thanksgiving weekend is quick and easy.

true that. next year we have UCLA and Stanford out here. Two games in one year is always nice.

i agree with the students being gone aspect as well. i forgot about turkey day break.
 

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I remember a story being done by NBC on this topic some time ago. They mentioned it was Rockne's wife who wanted to schedule the game out in California late in the year specifically to have a warm weather vacation. I don't know how true this is, but it sounds plausible.
 
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Doesn't ND use hybrid grass? A cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia? The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 4 quarters on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.

lmao...

as a matter of fact, "I've played on grass like that..." "Ummm, Carl, can I get a ruling over here..."
 

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Doesn't ND use hybrid grass? A cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia? The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 4 quarters on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.

Classic Bill Murray Caddyshack, excellent.

Somewhere Mitch Cumsting is smiling
 
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