UFC 100

[OchoShayneO]

tanner-a good example for a person not familiar with the skill and technique involved in MMA is Kimbo's third fight. Heres a guy who is just as physically imposing to look at as Lesner but got knocked out by a guy who gave up 30 pounds to him because he didnt know how to fight in the octagon. Thats as far as im going with this, I dont think I'm going to change your opinion.

 

[tannerpw3]

Okay. You've called me a liar. Care to come and see the $600 a month apt I split with my English teaching roommate and Linebacker coach? Do you need proof of life? He was drunk, he was an idiot, and I'm glad you extended the olive branch. Really, I am. After your last point and the one previous, I still have no ill will. I didn't tell you to shut up, I didn't tell you to go screw yourself, and I'm glad you think that I was feeble-minded enough to attempt a bait and switch.

It's an Internet site. We have opinions. If you want to kick up a case of Internet Munchausen Syndrome, go ahead. Your post was partisian slanted and dripping with contempt. Again, do what you want, say what you want to say. I was steamed, not pissed. If you don't like me, fine. I would still love to strike up and have a conversation. Keep comming back and chatting. I just find myself at odds with a majority of your ideas.

Dude, I wasn't born yesterday, and I didn't log on yesterday. I've been using internet forums for over a decade. It's a cliche joke thing by now, the whole "my roommate typed that". That someone would actually use that after a banning at this late date is stunning. So yes, I'm saying you lied about it and are still lying about it. I hope you continue to lie about, if only so it can get more elaborate and entertaining.

And you know what? You are not entitled to an opinion. I'm with Harlan Ellison on this one. No one is entitled to an opinion. You are entitled to an educated opinion. So get one, or shut up. Or keep talking, and get corrected. That's what anyone defending Sarah Palin is going to get - corrected. Often insulted. My post was dripping with contempt? Of course it was! She's contemptible! She's an incurious creationist hypocritical secessionist faux-Christian moron whose unbridled ambition almost landed her in the white house despite the fact that she is dangerously unqualified, and would surely have hastened the destruction of this land I love. Contempt! I do have it for Sarah Palin. And I'm proud of it. And so do I have contempt for anyone who defends her.

 

[WabashFalcon]

No elaboration. No lies. IE is my homepage when I open up a browser window and I have the "Remember Me" option selected. If you were born yesterday, I would say you grew and learned the English language in a rate that is scientifically unheard of.

I was not a fan of Palin. I was a huge supporter of McCain and would have rather seen McCain select Tim Pawlenti. But, I can't do anything about that, could I?

Anyway, the woman would have been subjected to a shitton of meetings with a ton of ades... think of Bob Russell from Season 5 of West Wing if you will. She was told to expout the Republic beliefs, and if rubber hit the road, would have been well off. She's going to run again in 2012... she's taking three years to get ready for it.

And you're gonna tell me that you aren't a registered Dem? If you aren't... then I am the worst poker player in history. And to look at your point and correct you... would love to see some expereince to drive in your "educated opinion" point. Only so much reading documents and other shit can do without any hands-on experience.

 

[BillyIrish]

How are boxing knockouts incidental? Many are a culmination of rounds of punishment. It is not as if the guy apologizes afterwards Every fighter goes in hoping for a knockout. When was the last time you heard a guy say he is looking to outpoint the guy?

 

[TDHeysus]

Frank Mir already beat Lesnar in his MMA debut, from a submission. This was a re-match. In the first fight, Lesnar was pounding him bad, but Mir caught him with an ankle lock, and Lesnar submitted. Frank Mir is a good fighter, one of the best heavyweight submission guys around. He (Mir) came into this fight in better shape than I can remember seeing him. Lesnar dominated him from the start, and bloodied him up bad. I cant remember Mir landing any significant strike the whole fight. Frank Mir is a pretty good, tough fighter, and Lesnar completely dominated him.

Beating Mir gives Lesnar alot of credibility, he is not 'there' yet; but he did show that he is no Kimbo Slice. He did 'go WWE' after the match, which I thought was kinda funny. I think the crowd was booing because the fight was mostly on the ground and not alot of stand up striking (like a 1-0 soccer game). He reacted to the booing, almost as if he playing the 'heel' role. At one point he said, "Bring it on!!! I love it!!" and "Hell, I might even get on top of my wife tonight."

Im not a MMA expert, but I know the sport has evolved to where a fighter needs striking capability and a ground game(in whichever discipline). Lesnar has devastating strikes, and a ground game that lead him to a 106-5 amateur record.

Going 106-5 as an amateur wrestler shows he is a true athlete. He very well may be on a steroids, and it would not surprise me if it turned up that he was. But for whatever reason I dont think he is. He is just a big dude, like shaq is just a big dude. There was not that much difference between Mir and Lesnar.

Lesnar
6'5" 265lbs

Mir
6'3" 245lbs

Shaq
7'1" 335lbs

There is a bigger difference between Shaq and Lesnar; than Lesnar and Mir

 

[NDinL.A.]

Tanner, you said that Palin is universally hated by both Republican and Democratic 'bigwigs'. That's just an absolute falsehood. Don't make sh** up,then pass it as fact because it fits your politics. I spent the afternoon with my dad, who is as far right as they come, and when Palin came up, he said he absolutely loves her. He said that tons of republicans love her. He went on and on, and this is a man who is retired, and to whom politics is his life. I'm not going to argue politics with you, b/c I come here to talk ND football, and b/c I won't change your mind; your myopic, in the same sense that my father is. Just don't spew your crap as fact, just b/c you think it's fact.

And I haven't even gotten to your next thread about politics and religion, but it seems to me your only reason to be on here is to inflame. Even when you are proven wrong, you go on and on and ignore the points that a poster made. And yes, I'm talking about the recruiting thread in which you actually believe that a rock solid recruit's (who commits EARLY in the process) offer list is not affected by his early commitment (hey, guess who got offered just 2 months ago by all the top schools? Jesse Scroggins, who will commit this week. He got all those offers after a strong performance at a camp 2 months ago. Guess when the last camp Daniel Smith went to? 6 months ago at ND, in which he committed the next day. HE HASN'T BEEN TO A CAMP SINCE, so of course he'll get no more offers.) But I'm sure you'll ignore reason #18 I've just given you and still spew more nonsense...

 

[dyrtdogg]

Anyway, about the aftermath of UFC 100, (the supposed topic of this thread), who do the other MMA fans think is the next logical match up for Lesnar? The winner of Randy - Big Nog? Kongo? As I've stated, Cain V and Carwin could possibly be a challenge with a little more seasoning, but right now, you'd be feeding them to the lions against Lesnar. Even going outside the UFC, besides Barnett and Fedor, who could you get? Bret Rogers, Arlovski, Jeff Monson, and Overeem just don't seem like viable challengers at this point. Anyone who can make Mir look that bad would probably blow through those four. The heavyweight division is incredibly thin and having a guy like Lesnar is only going to magnify the problem.

Until they develop a reasonably reliable test for HGH, we may be stuck with Brock's professional wrestling antics for a while.

 

[jason_h537]

I don't know who else is out there to fight Lesnar. Randy is gettin old.

Oh and Tanner as for Lesnar being an MMA fighter for only 3 months the guy was one of the greatest amatuer wrestlers in college and wrestling is a big part of MMA. Just like Millions of people watch Boxing hoping for a KO, there are true fans who love the sweet science. Yeah there are alot of MMA fans who love seeing two guys go in and beat the snot out of each other, but i am someone who like watching St. Pierre and Spider Silva because they have true talent. Maybe watch a Georges St. Pierre fight and you will get a greater appreciation for the technique with which these athletes have

 

[fitz_bu47]

I like that statement you only have a right to an opinion if it is an educated one, when he clearly has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to MMA. When cage fighting started it was barbaric, violent, no holds barred crap, and was totally irrelevant in society. The UFC has turned the sport into a sensation, w/ rules and a well timed (For the UFC) decline in boxing interest. Brock Lesnar is an elite athlete, he was an NCAA Division 1 national champ in (my EDUCATED opinion, I played football and wrestled in high school, and played football in college) the toughest sport-wrestling, he also almost made an NFL roster after not playing football since High School. MMA is scored like a boxing match, if it goes the distance they go to the judges scorecards. I would go as far as to say that a well versed MMA fighter is more impressive to me than a boxer, in MMA if all you can do is box you will get beaten. Also if you actually watch a UFC fight, the refs jump in to stop the fight much quicker than they do in boxing, a solid shot to the chin in an MMA fight and a stunned fighter as a result often is the end of the fight, where in boxing that fighter may be able to cover up for a second, and recover a little bit to earn many more rounds of punishment.....Anyway I am up way to late, and got pissed off about this, but don't really know why b/c I too come here for ND info, I like boxing and MMA, I don't care about Sarah Palin, or what Tanner thinks about MMA or her.

 

[IrishAddiction]

I don't know who else is out there to fight Lesnar. Randy is gettin old.

Oh and Tanner as for Lesnar being an MMA fighter for only 3 months the guy was one of the greatest amatuer wrestlers in college and wrestling is a big part of MMA. Just like Millions of people watch Boxing hoping for a KO, there are true fans who love the sweet science. Yeah there are alot of MMA fans who love seeing two guys go in and beat the snot out of each other, but i am someone who like watching St. Pierre and Spider Silva because they have true talent. Maybe watch a Georges St. Pierre fight and you will get a greater appreciation for the technique with which these athletes have

St. Pierre anyone?

 

[dyrtdogg]

St. Pierre anyone?

St. Pierre fights at 170, maybe 185 if we're lucky enough to see him fight Spider Silva. Lesnar fights at 265 and has to cut significantly to get to that. This isn't the old days of no weight classes and this fight won't happen.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I'd like to see Rampage give it another shot... maybe Kimbo Slice if he learns how to grapple and fight?

 

[BillyIrish]

the only guy out there for Lesnar is Fedor. Dana White has got to make this happen. The drawback is Fedor is a champion with several promotions and if you fight in the UFC you cant fight anywhere else. There has to be a way to make this happen.

 

[jason_h537]

St Pierre is a different weight class. Rampage is on the decline and Kimbo was a walking joke who had no buiness in the ring

 

[WabashFalcon]

I wanna hear tanner's insights on the topic now.

 

[TDHeysus]

St Pierre is a different weight class. Rampage is on the decline and Kimbo was a walking joke who had no buiness in the ring

I keep hearing how there is no other heavyweights for Lesnar to fight. By deduction, is that saying that Lesnar is the real deal? I think he is good enough to be considered a true MMA fighter, just how good remains to be seen. Frank Mir is no slouch by any means, and Lesnar dominated him in every aspect of the fight.

The post fight stuff I think has been little unfair slanted against LEsnar. Those of you who watch UFC know that Frank Mir is a shit-talker, big time. He talked alot of shit before the fight (eluding that Lesnar is not a real MMA fighter, etc) so after Lesnar beat him down, he had a few words for him. I dont blame Lesnar for getting in his face at all.

(do you think if USC was talking smack weeks before the ND game; and then ND went out and beat them, you think there would be shit talking?? hell yea there would be)

Its all BS, Brock is the man, and I'll be watching his next fight;
In an earlier fight, no one said anything about Dan Henderson delivering a cou-da-gras on Bisping when he was in a totally defenseless position (knocked out, flat on his back; Henderson admittingly knew he was already out) and then in the post-fight ring interview, said the reason for hitting him with that one was so, "Maybe he'll learn to keep his mouth shut." That was a brutal quote, after a brutal KO.

I thought UFC 100 was one of the best UFC's I have seen since UFC 10 (The Ultimate Ultimate). Anyone remember UFC Ultimate Ultimate? BAck when it was still a tournament style fight? When Tank Abbott had one of the most brutal knockouts?

1 big difference between UFC and boxing, everytime you order a PPV with UFC, you will see some action. Very rare do you see a bad UFC PPV. With boxing, you run the risk of paying $49.99 and seeing a shitty PPV. Chuck Lidell, Randy Couture, Frank Mir, Geroges St. Pierre, BJ PEnn, etc - everytime you see these guys, they are ALWAYS ready to fight, ALWAYS in shape, never have any excuses and bring it everytime. I cant say the same for boxing.

 

[dyrtdogg]

I keep hearing how there is no other heavyweights for Lesnar to fight. By deduction, is that saying that Lesnar is the real deal? I think he is good enough to be considered a true MMA fighter, just how good remains to be seen. Frank Mir is no slouch by any means, and Lesnar dominated him in every aspect of the fight.

The post fight stuff I think has been little unfair slanted against LEsnar. Those of you who watch UFC know that Frank Mir is a shit-talker, big time. He talked alot of shit before the fight (alluding that Lesnar is not a real MMA fighter, etc) so after Lesnar beat him down, he had a few words for him. I dont blame Lesnar for getting in his face at all.

(do you think if USC was talking smack weeks before the ND game; and then ND went out and beat them, you think there would be shit talking?? hell yea there would be)

Its all BS, Brock is the man, and I'll be watching his next fight;
In an earlier fight, no one said anything about Dan Henderson delivering a cou-da-gras on Bisping when he was in a totally defenseless position (knocked out, flat on his back; Henderson admittingly knew he was already out) and then in the post-fight ring interview, said the reason for hitting him with that one was so, "Maybe he'll learn to keep his mouth shut." That was a brutal quote, after a brutal KO.

I thought UFC 100 was one of the best UFC's I have seen since UFC 10 (The Ultimate Ultimate). Anyone remember UFC Ultimate Ultimate? BAck when it was still a tournament style fight? When Tank Abbott had one of the most brutal knockouts?

1 big difference between UFC and boxing, everytime you order a PPV with UFC, you will see some action. Very rare do you see a bad UFC PPV. With boxing, you run the risk of paying $49.99 and seeing a shitty PPV. Chuck Lidell, Randy Couture, Frank Mir, Geroges St. Pierre, BJ PEnn, etc - everytime you see these guys, they are ALWAYS ready to fight, ALWAYS in shape, never have any excuses and bring it everytime. I cant say the same for boxing.

Its not so much that Lesnar is the real deal (although his progress in three years of serious MMA training is remarkable) as it is an indictment on the HW division. It is embarrassingly thin. Maybe thats not exactly how I mean it to sound. Lesnar is legitimate, just not as dominant as the lack of quality opposition makes him look. Earlier in the thread, I could only come up with six HW that are legitimate opponents for Lesnar at this time, and only two of them could probably beat him. Kimbo could train for the next five years and not be able to sniff Lesnar's jock.

Regarding the shit talking: Lesanr talked more shit than Mir in the run up to the fight. Then after the fight, to get back in the face of Mir who probably didn't even know where he was, was a complete bush-league move. Then, disrespecting the sponsor of the company that employs him is completely and totally unprofessional and counterproductive. In addition, keep in mind that this isn't the first time Brock has acted like a jackass after a fight. He was a completely disrespectful douchebag after the Herring fight, so lets not act like its an isolated incident.