UCLA Game Analysis

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Folks,
Now that the Saturday night excitement and buzz has worn off, I will give my analysis of the game. It was great to have many things to cheer this past night. Some were not ND related, FLA loss, USC loss. I caught myself getting an unrealistic buzz that maybe 6-6 is still a possibility which would bring a much needed bowl game for two reasons. One we would get an opponent we should beat and additional practice days, even more important. Then some common sense came over me and I realize 6-6 will be VERY DIFFICULT with the issues the team has. So here we go, I will start with the most excellent defense.

DEFENSE---
Coaching: I really like how CB went for the throat when he knew we had a rookie at QB. He moves his guys around alot which I like. He gambled with some blitz pckgs. The coaches need to work with the kids on wrapping. Grade B
D-Line: Laws is a freak!!! Kuntz played well too. We finally got some upfield pressure with the D-Line. Hand must not be showing anything in practice, he has not played the last two weeks. Grade B(would be an A if not for some missed tackles)
OLB: Smith and Neal will be special. These two are already looking comfortable and play with good aggression. A year in the weight room will make them scary. Ryan gives good effort, but is playing about 1 year early. He needs some size and strength. We are getting some good corner pressure. Vernaglia played pretty well at both OLB and ILB. The future is bright for ND at OLB. Grade B-(they still give up the corner too often)
ILB: Congrats MO. He had a game for the ages. The remainder of the group played well, but no dominate play. Brockington has been really hitting hard, but is a bit slow. Toryan loves to hit, but gets out of position on many plays. Grade A-(would be a C+ without Crum's performance)
Safeties: Zibby finally had a good game. Bruton continues to play well and amaze on special teams. The group kept plays in front of them, although they need to tackle better. Grade B
CB: Overall this group played pretty solid. Lambert was tested deep a few times and was step for step with his man. Walls is showing good ability to read the ball. Wooden did not cover great, but he brings a punch when he tackles. Check the sidleline hit in the second half. Wooden stopped the runner in his tracks on the UCLA sideline. Grade B
OVERALL THE D PLAYED SOLID AND INSPIRED BALL. THEY TRIED TO FEED OF EACH OTHER. THEY RAN TO THE BALL WELL. CB IS GIVING THEM THE ABILITY TO FREELANCE. THE BIG ISSUE THEY HAVE IS TACKLING. COACHES MUST WORK ON WRAP UP'S. KUDOS TO THE D AS THEY WON THIS GAME.

OFFENSE----
Coaching: CW called a poor game on offense. 1st and goal at the one and you roll out your QB. YOU PUNCH THE BALL IN UP THE MIDDLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus if you are going to run up the gut, spread the freakin D out. Our screen passes are so easy to pick up. It is NOT lack of Oline blocking, rather the D is sniffing them out. The swing pass to the side is a waste of a play. Shark made those work because he was very illusive. Not one medium range pass. Bombs to Tate or Swing pass. CW's play calling has become so predictable that myself and my buddies knew what was coming prior to most plays last night. It is obvious that the D does too. Grade D
QB: Before all you JC is the second coming of JC people go nuts, let me say that I just call it like I see it. JC is NOT the right QB to help this O go in 2007. He did not make the big mistake last night, but he also did not make any big plays. He continues to hold the ball way toooooooo loooong. Don't give me the receiver is not open BS. I talked a friend who played D-II college QB who was at the game last night. He said that there were many times Jimmy was just holding the ball when guys were wide open. Further, JC then flushes and stares at who he is going to throw to. He is gonna get our WR's killed. Sharpley ain't perfect,but he makes faster decisions. Finally, I have yet to see the great accuracy he supposedly possesses. Rember folks, JC played on a team LOADED with D-I talent, so it was easy to look like a superhero. Grade C
OL: These guys are quietly getting better and more aggressive. I saw some attitude last night in these guys. Their pass blocking was much better. JC had time on most pass plays. They did get some upfield movement on some run plays, but when the box is loaded with 8 defenders it is hard to move them all. Young looked a little gimply last night. I wonder if he is playing with an injury. Grade C+(this is huge when they were an F only a couple weeks ago)
RB: Aldgridge is starting to become a solid all around runner. Ever notice he rarely goes down on the first hit. Once we build a solid pass game, he will have some huge days. He will get only bigger and stronger which means some DB's are gonna get run over. Armando is sooo quick. I reallly like him. He just needs a full year of weights to get some strength. Why hell are we not using Luke at FB more often. I think he is being wasted in our O. Shame on you Charlie. Grade B-
WR: As a group they continue to improve. They are starting to make some tough catches and run well in traffic. Duval, awesome catch in the 3rd quarter. Hord got some play time which I was glad to see. I think he could be a good player. Tate is gonna find the going tough now that D's will key on him.
OVERALL THE O SHOULD HUG THE D FOR HANDING THIS ONE TO THEM ON A PLATTER. I AM ENCOURAGED BY THE IMPROVED LINE PLAY, RB PLAY AND WR'S. THEY ARE STARTING TO GET AGGRESSIVE. THE PLAY CALLING LEAVES HUGE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. AS I SAW ANOTHER PERSON SAY ON HERE, CW IS CALLING GAMES LIKE HE IS IN THE NFL STILL. THE QB SITUATION WILL NOT CHANGE, BUT JC IS HOLDING THE O BACK AT THIS POINT. I STILL BELIEVE TIME ON THE SIDELINE WATCHING AND LEARNING WOULD DO HIM BETTER. IT HAS HELPED EVAN.

Special Teams---
OVERALL THIS GROUP HAD THERE FIRST SOLID ALL AROUND PERFORMANCE. GREAT JOB BY THE FG TEAM. PRICE SHOWED THAT HE PICKED UP HIS GAME TO GET HIS STARTING JOB BACK. HE PUNTED LONG AND ALSO DID GOOD ON PLACEMENT KICKS. THE ONLY AREA THAT CONTINUED TO STRUGGLE IS KICK RETURN BLOCKING. IF WE GET ALLEN A SEEM HE IS GONNA TAKE IT TO THE HOUSE. GRADE B

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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great analysis. I'm salivating to actually SEE some of your analysis on film. Anyone know where I can see highlights or a game replay?
 

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I listened to the game last night, and I think Sharpley should get a chance to start, but was Clausen that inaccurate or was Weis playcaling that vanilla? Also if Sharpley struggles whenever he gets a chance to play do we automatically turn to Clausen again? 17 for 27 isn't bad until you find out it was for only 84 yards. This leads me to believe Clausen struggled to make some throws and Weis still has the same damn conservative gameplan for him.
 

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I listened to the game last night, and I think Sharpley should get a chance to start, but was Clausen that inaccurate or was Weis playcaling that vanilla? Also if Sharpley struggles whenever he gets a chance to play do we automatically turn to Clausen again? 17 for 27 isn't bad until you find out it was for only 84 yards. This leads me to believe Clausen struggled to make some throws and Weis still has the same damn conservative gameplan for him.

I think it was a little bit of both. Sometimes it looked like it was just a bad play call where there would be three TE's and one WR and the WR would run a go route downfield and the WR would be double covered so there really was not anyone to throw the ball to. But aso sometimes Clausen was a little inaccurate, but overall I tihink it is more the playcalling and it looked like UCLA's had some pretty good coverage on the WR. I kind think the passing game could have been better and more creative if ND would have tried to establish the run in the first half.
 

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The gameplan by Weiss lacked one ounce of creativity. All he did with Tate is run him on a fly pattern about 6 times. We threw about 6 swing passes for a total of 3 feet. We also keep running the same screen pass which the D sees coming immediately. Finally, when JC has any pass play of any distance besides the bomb, he holds and holds the ball and then flushes staring at his target so the D can close on the WR.
 

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Great analysis! The defense won this game,,,,,,,not the coaching, not the offense, and certainly not the offensive play calling. I think it's time Charlie hire an offensive coordinatior and NFL play calling is too predictable and certainly too conservative for college ball. Lots of work to be done on offense before we play Boston College.
 

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Guys,
Sorry I failed you in that I did not do a TE analysis. I am slipping in my old age. Let's just say that they played solid. Carlson did have his best game of the year, but he had one critical drop that is not like him. Ragone seems to play with a chip on his shoulder. He is always scrapping. He just needs some meat on his bones. Yeatman better come back next season, he is a great all around player.
 

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I just want to remind everyone of one thing. This was a UCLA defense that returned 10 starters from a team that SHUT DOWN Brady Quinn and Co. last year IN SOUTH BEND, with the exception of the miraculous last drive. I'm not saying our offense doesnt have some issues, but just keep that in mind before you jump to too many conclusions about the offense or the play calling.
 

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Nice analysis - I disagree about Clausen, but that argument has already been done. The play calling seems to be like Billick, maddeningly predictable at times, but to be fair I think Weis doesn't feel confident enough with the learning curve of the team to install a lot of wrinkles. I HATE seeing that damn screen, but I think we will have to wait a while to see the real play book come out. The criticism of NFL-style coaching to me is invalid since what he has been using for the past two years is a lot more in-depth, and has been incredibly successful. We just can't really make the most of his expertise this year because of the youth thing, and as they mature we should see some hot hot hot plays.

The D (or even just Mo) really did hand that to the O on a silver platter. Good for them that they really stepped it up. A +7 turnover differential = a game we should win, no matter who is out there.
 

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Don't Jimmy's passes look soft? I just don't see that zip on the ball that you saw in Brady's, and yes EVAN's passes...both short outs and the deep balls. Claussen should have had 2-3 int's last night. A bad pass interference call stopped one of them.

I don't really get some of the more veteran posters on this board that are quick to criticize (more aptly, use the words stupid or insane) those that want Evan to get the gig. I feel he should too. That offense looked much more fluid with Shaprley behind center against Purdue, despite a similar stat line as Claussen.

If Jimmy really has a rocket for an arm, then he's not 100%. Give him the clipboard and give Evan a chance.
 

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Thanks IrishAlum. I could not agree more on your thoughts about JC. Mark my word, he will cost us a game before the season is out with his telegraphed passes and holding the ball too much. Evan has been such a class act. JC better improve or the grumblings for Evan will grow.
 

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I dont really think there is reason for putting sharpley in. Weis made a commitment to starting clausen, and unless he gets hurt or plays so god awful that he needs to be replaced I dont think that we will see sharpley get a start. Clausen is managing the game fine not making any big mistakes and costing us games. I also would not be surprised if he costs us a game later in the season because he is a freshman things like that happen when you are an inexperienced player, and its not like sharpley has anymore game experience than clausen so whats to say sharpley would not make any key turnovers, and possibly cost ND a game.
 

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I'm sure Jimmy has not yet developed much of an ability to read through progressions. That is why he is holding the ball too long. He looks at one receiver and if he is not open, he doesn't have the decision making necessary to look to the #2 or #3 receiver and make a quick decision. This will come with time. But if Sharpley is the man with the plan right now then I'm all for putting him in.
 

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I believe that JC will be a good QB in time, but he needs some time to understand college offense. You can see Evan go thru his progressions much faster than JC. He obviously did not learn that by playing since he was behind Brady. He learned thru observing on the sidelines. Give Evan the ball and let JC learn for one season. Because Evan makes the reads better, it forces the D to react faster. With JC they are just able to play base D and still confuse him. Our O would open up with Evan at the controls. Just my thoughts, not like CW is gonna listen to any of this.
 

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I just want to remind everyone of one thing. This was a UCLA defense that returned 10 starters from a team that SHUT DOWN Brady Quinn and Co. last year IN SOUTH BEND, with the exception of the miraculous last drive. I'm not saying our offense doesnt have some issues, but just keep that in mind before you jump to too many conclusions about the offense or the play calling.

I'd be willing to concede this point, if it wasn't for the fact that the offense hasn't looked good against ANYONE this year, for more than maybe 30 minutes of a game. If they had moved the ball well in their previous games, then I could buy that they struggled last night because UCLA has a tough defense. But they didn't move the ball well in their previous games.
 

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(Via the Roundup.)

I’ll take it <!-- by John -->

<small></small> Like OCDomer said (as well as Pat, I guess), a win is a win is a win. Even if it did come against a third-string walk-on freshman quarterback and a coach who did his best Karl Dorrell impersonation by running the ball only four times asking said walk-on freshman to throw the ball constantly after falling behind by two scores despite the fact that there were over fifteen minutes left on the clock. And even if the Irish did manage only twelve first downs to UCLA’s twenty, and 140 offensive yards to UCLA’s 282. A win is a win is a win. And to be quite honest, it feels like a bit more than a win when it comes on a day that we get to see this face:


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Good stuff. Oh, and by the way - Trojan fans, I got your “Booty for Booty” right here. (Word is, he prefers that kind anyway.)


Anyway, here are some thoughts on the game.


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The game ball goes to …

I know the easy thing to do here is to go with Maurice Crum Jr. (seven tackles, one sack, a forced fumble, two fumble recoveries, two interceptions, and a touchdown), but doing so would indicate that he actually had a better game than, say, Trevor Laws (five tackles, one sack, two pass breakups, and an all-around great job of being a pain in the butt), which in my mind is hard to say. Plus, there were two plays in the first half - eight-yard rushes by Joe Cowan and Kahlil Green, respectively - when he whiffed pretty badly on his tackles. No question, though, that Crum played a great second half and largely redeemed what has been a mediocre season for him so far.In my mind, though, credit needs to go to the defense as a whole, rather than to any one or two individuals: Pat Kuntz, for instance, led the team with eight tackles and also had two pass breakups, Joe Brockington had another solid game with six tackles, and Tom Zbikowski showed some signs of life with five tackles, a sack, and a beautiful strip to force a fumble. These guys were bouncing around the field like I haven’t seen them do in years - they actually looked to be enjoying themselves. Kudos to Corwin Brown for the job he’s done in bringing this unit around.


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By the numbers

Offense:
  • I already noted that the Irish had only 140 total offensive yards on the day. But that’s a bit of a misleading statistic, since the average starting field position for Notre Dame’s four scoring drives was the UCLA 27-yard line. If you don’t have far to go, you’re not going to get many yards. That said, five three-and-outs, a turnover on downs, and a drive that started at the opponent’s twelve and resulted in four yards and a field goal, do not a good offensive day make.
  • If we take out the yards lost on UCLA’s three sacks and the kneel-downs at the end of the game, Notre Dame ended up with a somewhat respectable 81 rushing yards on the day, which is right at UCLA’s average for the season (though that number includes sacks, of course). James Aldridge netted 52 yards on his 22 carries, and Armando Allen provided a nice change of pace with three carries for 19 yards. Not good enough, to be sure, but also not disastrous against the Bruin defense.
  • While Jimmy Clausen completed 17 of his 27 passes, they netted only 84 yards - an average of 3.1 yards per attempt. Clausen didn’t make any awful mistakes, but there were some times when he held on to the ball too long, and he didn’t look very good throwing the ball long downfield. Each of John Carlson (six catches for 38 yards), Aldridge (three for 18 yards), and Duval Kamara (two for 20 yards) had a nice day, but this passing game is going to have to do a lot more if the Irish want to beat Backup College or the Spoiled Children.
  • While time of possession was evenly divided in the first half, Notre Dame held the ball for 20:15 after halftime.
Defense:
  • As mentioned above, UCLA totaled 282 offense yards on the day, more than double the production of the Irish. 193 of those yards came through the air, on 16 completions - an average of 12.1 yards per completion, and a clear sign that the Irish pass defense has got to tighten up. The Bruins netted only 89 yards rushing, but that that number jumps up to 140 if we discount the yardage lost on Notre Dame’s five (!!) sacks. Still, though, all these numbers look really good against a UCLA offense that averaged 199.4 rushing yards and 225.2 passing yards coming into yesterday’s game.
  • After recovering three Bruin fumbles and intercepting four passes, the Irish defense now ranks ninth in the nation with 19 forced turnovers on the season. They also rank fourth in total pass defense (and 22nd in pass efficiency) and 41st overall defensively.
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Mistake-free football

Well, not quite. We saw some pretty awful tackling at times in the first half, and there were a few times when our offensive linemen got toasted by the UCLA pass rush. There were some bad penalties, too: Raeshon McNeil getting called for a block in the back on a Zbikowski punt return a bit before halftime, pushing the Irish back to their own 30 instead of enabling them to start from midfield; Toryan Smith handing UCLA a first down on a bad pass interference penalty just after the half; Eric Olsen picking up an awful personal foul penalty that turned 3rd-and-9 into 3rd-and-24; and TWO holds called as Aldridge broke a nice run on 3rd-and-eleven near the start of the fourth. The Irish also failed once again to convert in short yardage, as Clausen’s fourth-down sneak attempt with ten minutes to go in the fourth quarter went nowhere.But there’s no doubt that there was a major improvement in this department: my list of “inexcusables” was less than half as long as it was last week, and UCLA’s complete offensive incompetence more than made up for ND’s handful of errors.


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Worth noting:
  • Leo Ferrine, David Grimes, and Dan Wenger all made the trip to Pasadena, but sat out the game with injuries.
  • Justin Brown returned after missing the past two games, though he didn’t impact the box score.
  • Robert Hughes didn’t see the field, nor did Matt Romine, Ray Herring, or Morrice Richardson.Chris Stewart made the trip to Pasadena, but didn’t end up playing. This was also the first game all season in which Evan Sharpley didn’t play.
  • Geoff Price replaced Eric Maust as Notre Dame’s punter, and averaged 40.3 yards on nine punts, with three downed inside the twenty yard-line.
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All in all …

There’s no doubt that this team is improving, on both sides of the ball. If we take out the Michigan game, Notre Dame’s margin of defeat dropped constantly up until yesterday, from 30 points against Georgia Tech, to 21 against Penn State, to 17 against Michigan State, to 14 against Purdue. Notre Dame’s offensive line seems to have turned a corner since the debacle at the Big House, and the Irish defense has given up a total of 208 rushing yards the past two games after yielding an average of 232.8 yards in the first four weeks. Suddenly the possibility of making it to a bowl game doesn’t seem as utterly far-fetched as it once did.


Accomplishing that, though, will require pulling off a huge upset against Fredo or the Condoms. Look for the Notre Dame campus to be energized this coming week, and the stadium to be jumping when the Eagles come to town. The monkey’s off their back - now the Irish just need to keep on improving from week to week.
 

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Don't Jimmy's passes look soft? I just don't see that zip on the ball that you saw in Brady's, and yes EVAN's passes...both short outs and the deep balls. Claussen should have had 2-3 int's last night. A bad pass interference call stopped one of them.

I don't really get some of the more veteran posters on this board that are quick to criticize (more aptly, use the words stupid or insane) those that want Evan to get the gig. I feel he should too. That offense looked much more fluid with Shaprley behind center against Purdue, despite a similar stat line as Claussen.

If Jimmy really has a rocket for an arm, then he's not 100%. Give him the clipboard and give Evan a chance.

Just for the record, since I take it this remark was directed at me: I don't think I've ever called anyone names just for saying that Sharpley should start. I certainly think, though, that what we've seen of him on the field so far hasn't demonstrated that he should. But I agree with you that Clausen (one "s", btw) didn't look at all good throwing the ball downfield yesterday, and that this is a real worry. I'm frustrated, though, with people basically saying that a true freshman who's completed over 60% of his passes in five starts is a bust - I think this is the paradigm of impatience. Moreover, with the offense we're running, accuracy and mobility count for a lot: and if Weis - who's a better evaluator of talent than us, and who's seen far more of them than we have - says that Clausen has more of those things than Sharpley, I believe him.

I said it last week, and I'll say it again: the last thing this team needs is inconsistency. JC's gotten them this far; the reins are his until he drops them.
 

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Hey John,
You say jimmy has gotten us this far. How far is that??? Do NOT give me the W yesterday was his. He did not do anything special in that performance that Evan could not have done every single day. He did not complete any deep balls. He made a sneak into the endzone that Evan easily would have done. What he failed to do that Evan has done is make those mid range passes. 60% completions on screens and swing passes, not impressed. I will say that I am quite convinced that CW did make a deal with Jimmy that he would be the starter if he committed to ND. It will never be admitted by a single person, but it sure smells a bit like that. I IRISH thru and thru so I will cheer him always, just want to see the performance.
 

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Hey John,
You say jimmy has gotten us this far. How far is that??? Do NOT give me the W yesterday was his. He did not do anything special in that performance that Evan could not have done every single day. He did not complete any deep balls. He made a sneak into the endzone that Evan easily would have done. What he failed to do that Evan has done is make those mid range passes. 60% completions on screens and swing passes, not impressed. I will say that I am quite convinced that CW did make a deal with Jimmy that he would be the starter if he committed to ND. It will never be admitted by a single person, but it sure smells a bit like that. I IRISH thru and thru so I will cheer him always, just want to see the performance.

Clausen has been the quarterback as this team has improved overall each week with the exception of the UM game. He hasn't won games for us - though who knows what he'd have done if he stayed in against Purdue - but neither has he lost them. Given that the offensive line has basically been a sieve for much of the year, and we've generally had no running game to speak of, I find it hard to criticize Clausen for this team's offensive woes. And unless he's injured, it would be crazy to bench him right after our first win.

I doubt what you say about Weis making that promise, and in any case I don't think he'd honor it if he didn't think Clausen could get the job done.

Give him time ...
 

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Sorry, I was enjoying my favorite brand of kosher dill pickles when typing my post. I too get aggravated when I see a Coach 'Weiss' in someone's post. All the same, I try not to mention it.

I don't think people are down on Jimmy as the future of this program necessarily, johnnd, but I do think the 'obligation' this coaching staff has to our veterans dictates that you play the qb that gives you the best chance of winning. Letting Jimmy take his lumps may seem like a plausible strategy, in fact it has been one I have supported since the end of the 1st half vs. GT. All the same, at some point he has got to be able to move the ball with some consistency vertically down the field. He has shown he can't do that right now, and as a result, our very young running game is also not getting the opportunity to develop any fluidity.

I want Jimmy to succeed, I like his moxie. But at what cost to the rest of the team?

Posted with love.
 

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Hey John,
You say jimmy has gotten us this far. How far is that??? Do NOT give me the W yesterday was his. He did not do anything special in that performance that Evan could not have done every single day. He did not complete any deep balls. He made a sneak into the endzone that Evan easily would have done. What he failed to do that Evan has done is make those mid range passes. 60% completions on screens and swing passes, not impressed. I will say that I am quite convinced that CW did make a deal with Jimmy that he would be the starter if he committed to ND. It will never be admitted by a single person, but it sure smells a bit like that. I IRISH thru and thru so I will cheer him always, just want to see the performance.


Let's be real here we are all criticizing Clausen's abilities at times, but it's obvious Weis sees something that we all don't in practice everyday. A lot of Clausen's problems are inexperience issues as far as reading defenses, holding onto the ball too long, ETC. These are all problems Brady had as a freshman. Clausen makes some throws that a lot of top college QB's would struggle to make, and then other times he throws a ball that makes you say what the heck? I watched some of the replay on ESPNU and the playcalling was very vanilla. I don't know if it's Weis wanting to bring Clausen along slowly, or the fact he doesn't have confidence in our receivers I'm not sure. I really don't think he lacks confidence in Clausen or else he wouldn't be out there. Also the routes he had the receivers run were absolutely predictable, Tate was going deep everytime, and others were running the same routes everytime. How about running some slants, or quick hitters that result in 5 or 6 yards everytime? Get Jimmy some confidence and then throw down field. I think if Clausen struggles next week and we are in the game Sharps should get reps. If not let Clausen continue to grow. I like how everyone is throwing a true freshman QB under the bus after his 5th start against the best defense he has seen this season. If he was killing us I would be calling for Sharpley, but Clausen hasn't been the offenses problem this year. Playcalling, inconsistent offensive line play, and overall inexperience have killed the offense.
 

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Evan hasn't outplayed Clausen either in practice or on the field..... so why would he start? Because he makes reads quicker?

a - there is no way we are switching Qb's anyway, so this is all moot, but I digress

b - Weis has made JC the starter, which means at the very least Jimmy has won the battle in practice. The theory of a promised starting role is just silly - we aren't talking about Zook here.

c - We are playing ball control with the QBs. Hence the dink and dunk passing and putting the ball in a spot that doesn't allow for much YAC. Hence the high completion percentage (pretty damn good for a true frosh QB) and low yards per reception. He has done everything that a QB could do to keep us in games.

d - The one thing we could use more of on either side of the ball is consistency. Why would Weis pull the starter for someone who would be at best (and it's a stretch) marginally better?

e - The deep ball thing is getting over-played. Yes it is on the checklist, but it certainly isn't at the top especially since we seem to have one real receiver as a deep threat target, and that's really his only specialty so far. In other words, even if we had Peyton Manning out there, it's unlikely we could stretch the field at all since teams will (like UCLA did) put extra coverage on Golden.

f - The situations that Evan gets put in for work well to padding his stats in comparison to Clausen. By the time he usually sees action teams are just playing more of a prevent D, since it's either late in the game or we are down by so much that we have to go 2-min offense anyway.

None of this is to say Evan is anything but a great QB. But Clausen earned the starting role and is doing the most with what he has. I don't think he is 100%, and he is still doing better than our laser-rocket-arm BQ was at this phase. If he were the real weak spot on the team than we would have a much better record. As is, he is one of our strengths and he will continue to be the starter this year, as well as the near future.
 

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All we as fans can judge is what we see on game day. In reality, that is all that matters anyway. During gameday, I have seen Sharpley make faster reads, quicker throws on the mid range passes and better pocket savy. As for all the issues being freshman related that are similar to Brady's issue. We have a choice this year with an experienced Evan. JC can take some time to learn on the sidelines which has helped Evan to learn the offense. As for watching the game, yes the playcalling was HORRIBLE. But, there were several plays which were to be medium range passes and JC did not make the passes. A friend at the game commented how the ND fans were screaming for him to throw, but he was waiting until the guy was no longer open. I am NOT anti-JC, but am concerned we are sacrificing the ability of the offense to floorish so he can grow on the job. Let him grow some on the sidelines for one season. It is obvious it helped Evan to understand the O and how to make reads. We are in a fragile situation with our O. We need these young kids to have some success which will breed confidence. Aldridge is getting killed due to the D having NO respect for our passing game. At Purdue, Evan demonstrated he can make all the throws and the O really responded to him. Jimmy has yet to show that good mid range game. In conclusion, whoever QB's I will cheer on to victory.
 

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Evan hasn't outplayed Clausen either in practice or on the field..... so why would he start? Because he makes reads quicker?

a - there is no way we are switching Qb's anyway, so this is all moot, but I digress

b - Weis has made JC the starter, which means at the very least Jimmy has won the battle in practice. The theory of a promised starting role is just silly - we aren't talking about Zook here.

c - We are playing ball control with the QBs. Hence the dink and dunk passing and putting the ball in a spot that doesn't allow for much YAC. Hence the high completion percentage (pretty damn good for a true frosh QB) and low yards per reception. He has done everything that a QB could do to keep us in games.

d - The one thing we could use more of on either side of the ball is consistency. Why would Weis pull the starter for someone who would be at best (and it's a stretch) marginally better?

e - The deep ball thing is getting over-played. Yes it is on the checklist, but it certainly isn't at the top especially since we seem to have one real receiver as a deep threat target, and that's really his only specialty so far. In other words, even if we had Peyton Manning out there, it's unlikely we could stretch the field at all since teams will (like UCLA did) put extra coverage on Golden.

f - The situations that Evan gets put in for work well to padding his stats in comparison to Clausen. By the time he usually sees action teams are just playing more of a prevent D, since it's either late in the game or we are down by so much that we have to go 2-min offense anyway.

None of this is to say Evan is anything but a great QB. But Clausen earned the starting role and is doing the most with what he has. I don't think he is 100%, and he is still doing better than our laser-rocket-arm BQ was at this phase. If he were the real weak spot on the team than we would have a much better record. As is, he is one of our strengths and he will continue to be the starter this year, as well as the near future.

piyachi-what are the stats that back up your point that he is doing better than BQ at the same point? Don't use completion percentage. That is a useless stat for this analogy. Throwing lateral/1-2 yard outs is just not offense. I saw the pass protection Jimmy got last night, and I can't recall any really impressive throws. You don't get many chances from game to game to stretch the defense, so you've got to make them count when you take one. Every time I saw Jimmy let it fly, it looked like a 'jump-ball' situation. There was a LOT of air under his passes, and even a few of his short outs looked like dying quails.

Not trying to be confrontational or argumentative with some of our regular members of IE. But, I would certainly love to see a game-by-game pass chart for BQ vs. JC in their freshman seasons.

An ineffective passing game begets an ineffective running game, and vice versa. This coaching staff preached all summer than we were going to establish the run. So GT prepared for the run and a mobile QB, and we refuse to throw the ball until it was much too late. Every other team has used that gameplan, and we still only have one complete half of offense to hang our hat on this season. Lo and behold, it was one where we established the pass as a viable threat. I don't care what kind of defense Purdue was playing. I'm sure it's hard to consistently open holes for our RB's when the defense ALWAYS knows what is coming.

I'm not Jimmy-bashing. I want him to succeed. When he becomes even a fraction of the QB we all hope he will be for ND, I would bet I will retire me and my son's #10 jerseys to be replaced by matching #7's. I think something is still awry physically, and it's not fair to the rest of the team if this is the case.
 

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Piyachi,
Good comparison, but we are not stuck with no alternative like Quinns freshman year. Evan is a solid QB. Go irish!!!!!
 

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Just for the record, since I take it this remark was directed at me: I don't think I've ever called anyone names just for saying that Sharpley should start..

"Wow. This post started off REALLY well - how about those special teams and linebackers, huh? - but this bolded part is just incredibly stupid."


- See johnndo4.5 response to my opinion that Clausen should be benched in the "Notre Dame Wins" thread.
 

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jonesman, irishalum97 - you two know what you are talking about.

To all you wannabes that try to overintellectualize the game, next time try watching Clausen's throwing form. It is way off . One result is that flight of the ball past midpoint (on longer passes) resembles an airplane at takeoff. It should resemble an airplane coming in for a landing.

Yes. Clausen's passes are too soft. Something is wrong with his mechanics. Maybe it is a result of inexeperience. I doubt that though. Clausen is completely unsure of himself.

Sharpley's passes are crisp and precise. He led the team to quick scores.

Go ahead and continue to overintellectualize the game, all you wannabes.
 
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Piyachi,
Good comparison, but we are not stuck with no alternative like Quinns freshman year. Evan is a solid QB. Go irish!!!!!

Thanks and yes he is. I wish it was feasible to actually have a 2 QB system because I really like the guy as a team player, and he sure isn't going to be on the bench at a lot of schools. Man... Quinn's frosh year.... dark days. I mean at the time I had 4 years of eligibility left so it isn't like we had NO alternatives :smilewink
 
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