Trump Presidency Round 2

[GATTACA!]

It's part of the equation, but not all of it. Appreciation of the homes value will provide some equity.

At the end of the day if $200 less on your monthly payment is worth it to you to spend $400k and 20 extra years over the life the of the loan you probably shouldn't be buying that house in the first place lol. Mortgage companies will use these loans to prey on financially illiterate people.

This is of course a joke. The real next step for MAGA is just excusing pedophilia like Megyn:

Hey look on the bright side. Think of all the pro LGBT takes we're about to hear from MAGA folks! Look at Trump shifting the overton window all by himself! Call him Mr Progressive.

Donald Trump ‘blowing Bubba’ message in Epstein emails under scrutiny

Mark Epstein asked Jeffrey Epstein in an email to ask Steve Bannon if Vladimir Putin has "the photos of Trump blowing Bubba."

www.newsweek.com

 

[TorontoGold]

It's part of the equation, but not all of it. Appreciation of the homes value will provide some equity.

No, that's quite literally all of the equation lol. I did a quick napkin math calc, if you have a $700K mortgage at 4.5% on a 50 year term, you would pay $583K in interest and only have paid down 17% of the principal.

The appreciation of homes only helps if your house is in a more desirable place or has better features than the one you're buying. You're still going to need to purchase a home when you sell.

 

[drayer54]

I don’t know about that, Trump is 0/1 is civil cases with sexual abuse being involved. Legally Trump has been found to be worse than Prince Andrew, and you’ll still defend him.

You were so sure Joe was a criminal, but will defend Donny Diddler to end. Strange priorities.

I'm not going to get outraged over a rule changing and Reid Hoffman funded project that looked shaky as hell, no.

Even Axios has said there's no smoking gun here. I don't think Trump has responded well to it, but this just screams of throwing mud from the left for a distraction and narrative shift after a disastrous shutdown.

 

[Irish#1]

lol re-read your posts about the first news about the Biden laptop story. You had no issue with not taking a legal standard for offering an opinion, but for Trump that seems different.

I know news media you consume might be a bit confusing or altered by AI so I only go by what's posted on these forums as sources I know you've read.

lol......I just offered my opinion that he probably does have some dirt and you want to argue about agreeing with you? You just proved my previous point.

 

[TorontoGold]

lol......I just offered my opinion that he probably does have some dirt and you want to argue about agreeing with you? You just proved my previous point.

You responded to me first? lol

I set a line at 0.5 for IE GOP'ers to condemn him for this. We then devolved into a discussion about the legality of evidence by Sixstar. You responded saying where do I come up with this stuff. You want to argue with me instead of just condemning him.

 

[ozzman]

 

[sixstar]

You didn't track the laptop story, really? Come on now, I found two posts of yours on the MSM coverup of the laptop, but nothing on the "Biden crime family" from the same period. I don't care for retrospective responses. You saw the posts and didn't care.

Like you said: I made, what, two posts on it? And those posts focused on the facts that MSM covered up the story.
I don't police name calling here, be it Pedo President or Biden Crime Family. Not my interest area. But I do interact when people misinterpret facts.

Stop reaching - I never accused you of that.

You literally did. I quoted you: "You're asking the public to treat Trump significantly less harsh than Andrew."
Again - I never said that.

I said Trump should have the same punishments as Andrew has received - public disgrace. I'm not sure who's wealthier the Royal Family or Trump but for people who have images worth more than money, the biggest punishment is their image being hurt. Tell me why the public shouldn't hold Trump in the same light as Andrew, he's suffered greater legal losses than Andrew, if we're going to play the "legally speaking..." game.

Let's be accurate here:
You started by saying that the emails implicated Trump and that you expected posters here to condemn him, as if a single-sided uncorroborated email actually proved anything. That's where you began.

Then I brought up Andrew, and you shifted to him.

I said he should be treated the same as Andrew, and you spun this into a "legally xyz". Andrew settled outside of court.

No, you started by saying that the emails implicated Trump. I explained how they objectively do not implicate him. I then used Andrew for context. I introduced the Andrew discussion, not you. Don't try to rewrite the facts.

Yes or no - should Trump be disgraced similarly to Andrew. Remember this is all based on evidence that was not tried in the courts.

"Disgraced similarly"? What does that even mean?

Are the allegations equivalent? No. Andrew was accused of having sex with a trafficked minor on multiple occasions. Trump was found liable for sexually abusing a 50-year old woman one time. These are fundamentally different legal and cultural categories.

Can you equate them? No.

Should they both be shamed for what's been established? Absolutely. Both acts are vile and morally reprehensible.

Remember, I'm not asking for any jail time, I am simply stating he should be publicly shamed like Andrew.

Sure. Sexual abusers deserve their consequences. Forcing yourself on an unwilling person is sick stuff.

But also - I recognize that you are shifting goalposts. Your original statement said that the emails implicated Trump. They do not.

If I'm doing a forensic audit, and I see the main entity communicating with a related party making mention of an arrangement, I am going to see that as an indication of impropriety. If this related party has a long documented history of concerning practices that include legal matters against that person, I'm going to use that in my analysis of the situation. Within material terms, there is enough evidence provided here that if I was going to opine on this I would include memo's on this within my audit file. There isn't enough to materially disclose as there isn't formal legal matters concerning this, but if I was asked to provide a response to a question I would have to mention this as a legal threat and acknowledge the potential for liability.

If I was the CPA firm engaged on any of Trump's companies that had intangible assets based on Trump's image/likeness I would have to perform impairment testing on the worth of those assets because the seriousness of threats facing him.

I agree that suspicion is certainly warranted. No argument there. But suspicion isn't evidence by itself.

If Trump wrote a private email to someone stating, "Pedro Pascal participated at Epstein's island" would you believe him? Why or why not? If you don't believe Trump because he has a history of lying (and he does), why would you believe Epstein, who also has a documented history of lying?

Then you agree he should face the same public shame that Andrew has?

They should face the shame of their consequences.

 

[GATTACA!]

Someone entered the Sixstar vortex.

 

[sixstar]

Way to prove his point.

Stating a legal fact proves what point?

Here are more irrefutable facts - go ahead and verify yourself:

• The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) is the authoritative standard used in psychology, psychiatry, and forensic evaluation
• DSM-5 defines pedophilia as sexual attraction to prepubescent children
• Attraction to 15-17 year olds is called ephebophilia
• Clinical literature uses DSM-5's categorization
• Academic literature uses DSM-5's categorization
• The Minor Attracted Persons (MAP) community uses DSM-5's categorization
• Legal consequences are different for pedophilia vs ephebophilia
• Clinical treatment is different for pedophilia vs ephebophilia

Megyn was not excusing pedophilia. She was differentiating between age groups, just like the legal system does, just like academic literature does, just like the MAP community does, and just like clinical treatment does.

The person talking about Epstein was indicating he was an ephebophile, not a pedophile.

Sorry to extinguish your outrage, but you all are simply ignorant on the matter.
And you should be cautious. Being both ignorant and outspoken is an ugly combo.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

 

[GATTACA!]

Stating a legal fact proves what point?

Here are more irrefutable facts - go ahead and verify yourself:

• The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) is the authoritative standard used in psychology, psychiatry, and forensic evaluation
• DSM-5 defines pedophilia as sexual attraction to prepubescent children
• Attraction to 15-17 year olds is called ephebophilia
• Clinical literature uses DSM-5's categorization
• Academic literature uses DSM-5's categorization
• The Minor Attracted Persons (MAP) community uses DSM-5's categorization
• Legal consequences are different for pedophilia vs ephebophilia
• Clinical treatment is different for pedophilia vs ephebophilia

Megyn was not excusing pedophilia. She was differentiating between age groups, just like the legal system does, just like academic literature does, just like the MAP community does, and just like clinical treatment does.

The person talking about Epstein was indicating he was an ephebophile, not a pedophile.

Sorry to extinguish your outrage, but you all are simply ignorant on the matter.
And you should be cautious. Being both ignorant and outspoken is an ugly combo.

You’re a clown. You missed the entire point.

People suddenly feeling the need to make this pointless distinction, like Megyn, are trying to polish the optics of something absolutely disgusting by trying to play word games an say “awkshually Epstein (and by extension Trump) wasn’t a pedophile” as if it makes a difference.

No one here is ignorant of the distinction, the distinction is just wholly irrelevant.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

You’re a clown. You missed the entire point.

People suddenly feeling the need to make this pointless distinction, like Megyn, are trying to polish the optics of something absolutely disgusting by trying to play word games an say “awkshually Epstein (and by extension Trump) wasn’t a pedophile” as if it makes a difference.

No one here is ignorant of the distinction, the distinction is just wholly irrelevant.

We can make an educated guess that the only people that care about the distinction are ephebophiles

 

[LifelongFan]

At the end of the day if $200 less on your monthly payment is worth it to you to spend $400k and 20 extra years over the life the of the loan you probably shouldn't be buying that house in the first place lol. Mortgage companies will use these loans to prey on financially illiterate people.

Hey look on the bright side. Think of all the pro LGBT takes we're about to hear from MAGA folks! Look at Trump shifting the overton window all by himself! Call him Mr Progressive.

Donald Trump ‘blowing Bubba’ message in Epstein emails under scrutiny

Mark Epstein asked Jeffrey Epstein in an email to ask Steve Bannon if Vladimir Putin has "the photos of Trump blowing Bubba."

www.newsweek.com

 

[yankeehater]

So, Hillary had an affair! I would have never guessed that. Of course, Vince Foster is no longer with us to give his side of the story.

 

[sixstar]

You’re a clown. You missed the entire point.

People suddenly feeling the need to make this pointless distinction, like Megyn, are trying to polish the optics of something absolutely disgusting by trying to play word games an say “awkshually Epstein (and by extension Trump) wasn’t a pedophile” as if it makes a difference.

No one here is ignorant of the distinction, the distinction is just wholly irrelevant.

oh, really, did you miss the part where LLF misrepresented what she said as excusing pedophilia, then projected that onto MAGA?

The real next step for MAGA is just excusing pedophilia like Megyn

Or are you just willingly ignoring the part where MK said it is sick, disgusting, and makes her skin crawl?

Or have you and LLF just devolved to the point where you don't care what she actually says, you would just rather interpret what you think she means so it fits your narrative?

 

[GATTACA!]

oh, really, did you miss the part where LLF misrepresented what she said as excusing pedophilia, then projected that onto MAGA?



Or are you just willingly ignoring the part where MK said it is sick, disgusting, and makes her skin crawl?

Or have you and LLF just devolved to the point where you don't care what she actually says, you would just rather interpret what you think she means so it fits your narrative?

Again you're missing the point. What you do is called gish gallopping. You go on long quoting essays typically trying to litigate something that no one was arguing about.

You can disagree with the idea that suddenly feeling the urge to start defining pedophilia and classes of attraction to minors means that you're trying to run cover for Trump, but regardless that was the point that LLF was making. That we'd suddenly see lots of right wing influencers and media personalities trying to say Epstein wasn't "technically" a pedo.

Then you came in and did exactly that. No one was arguing about Megyn's definitions.

 

[yankeehater]

So, according to those on the Left Trump is a womanizing rapist, a pedophile and now he is gay. They had smoking guns against the guy they have called Hitler for ten years yet chose not to use them to stop this guy from taking office all the while people like the Clintons invited him to their daughter's wedding and those very Leftist cherished the guy his whole life until he put an R by his name.

Am I current with all the latest info?

 

[GATTACA!]

So, according to those on the Left Trump is a womanizing rapist, a pedophile and now he is gay. They had smoking guns against the guy they have called Hitler for ten years yet chose not to use them to stop this guy from taking office all the while people like the Clintons invited him to their daughter's wedding and those very Leftist cherished the guy his whole life until he put an R by his name.

Am I current with all the latest info?

Nope. According to Epstein.

 

[yankeehater]

Nope. According to Epstein.

And how credible is that?

 

[GATTACA!]

And how credible is that?

More credible than Trump's denials.

 

[yankeehater]

More credible than Trump's denials.

And what about Virginia Giuffre's sworn testimony?

 

[GATTACA!]

And what about Virginia Giuffre's sworn testimony?

What about it? Or are you asserting that there was only one victim? Also what does that have to do with him blowing Bubba?

 

[GATTACA!]

 

[drayer54]

Dems love working with Pedos. Again, if they had anything, it would have been blown up when the Dems threw out the norms to go after Trump for election purposes. But they didn't, despite working with the boogeyman himself because orange man bad. Dems are despicable.

 

[sixstar]

Again you're missing the point. What you do is called gish gallopping. You go on long quoting essays typically trying to litigate something that no one was arguing about.

I actually respond to things people post on this board. i don't paraphrase or assume. You do - that's one big difference between us.

I do not gish gallop. By definition, gish gallopping ignores accuracy of arguments and is laden with misrepresentation and lies.
However, accuracy and factuality are the key elements of every post I make.

Everything I post is backed by evidence, data, and facts. Go ahead, research my posts in this thread and see if you find any misrepresentation. Call me out on anything I have said that is factually, provably incorrect.

accuse me of gish galloping? prove it.

You can disagree with the idea that suddenly feeling the urge to start defining pedophilia and classes of attraction to minors means that you're trying to run cover for Trump,

and this is why we are different. I address things people say and respond with facts. You ignore factual responses and craft whatever narrative in your head makes you feel better. This is how you lose credibility.

To be clear: I feel zero urge to cover for Trump. He doesn't care about me. I don't care about him.

but regardless that was the point that LLF was making.

Nice deflect. Ignore what LLF actually said. Meanwhile, I addressed exactly what he said. Do you see it yet?

That we'd suddenly see lots of right wing influencers and media personalities trying to say Epstein wasn't "technically" a pedo.

Give examples of someone saying he wasn't a pedo. Or are you just interpreting what you think they are saying? Let's see their exact words in context.

MK even called Epstein a pedo within a sentences minutes of that clip that was posted, if you cared to read the full comment or understand the context of her statement outside of that soundbite. Does that context matter to you? Does it change your opinion?

Again, that's the difference between us. I don't assume what someone says. I respond to what they actually say, and use their words in my response.

Then you came in and did exactly that. No one was arguing about Megyn's definitions.

Nope, just misrepresenting what she was actually saying while ignoring the rest of the context of her monologue. But you go on and do you.

 

[drayer54]

Nope, just misrepresenting what she was actually saying while ignoring the rest of the context of her monologue. But you go on and do you.

Epstein was being counseled by the NYT and collaborating with house Dems, but let's pretend this MK commentary is the only thing every and try to swing it in the push to forget the shutdown and create some fake hysteria now.

 

[LifelongFan]

So, according to those on the Left Trump is a womanizing rapist, a pedophile and now he is gay. They had smoking guns against the guy they have called Hitler for ten years yet chose not to use them to stop this guy from taking office all the while people like the Clintons invited him to their daughter's wedding and those very Leftist cherished the guy his whole life until he put an R by his name.

Am I current with all the latest info?

The Clintons and Trumps are on the same team and Epstein was on that team too. If you weren't too distracted by tie color you would see that.

 

[GATTACA!]

I actually respond to things people post on this board. i don't paraphrase or assume. You do - that's one big difference between us.

I do not gish gallop. By definition, gish gallopping ignores accuracy of arguments and is laden with misrepresentation and lies.
However, accuracy and factuality are the key elements of every post I make.

Everything I post is backed by evidence, data, and facts. Go ahead, research my posts in this thread and see if you find any misrepresentation. Call me out on anything I have said that is factually, provably incorrect.

accuse me of gish galloping? prove it.



and this is why we are different. I address things people say and respond with facts. You ignore factual responses and craft whatever narrative in your head makes you feel better. This is how you lose credibility.

To be clear: I feel zero urge to cover for Trump. He doesn't care about me. I don't care about him.



Nice deflect. Ignore what LLF actually said. Meanwhile, I addressed exactly what he said. Do you see it yet?



Give examples of someone saying he wasn't a pedo. Or are you just interpreting what you think they are saying? Let's see their exact words in context.

MK even called Epstein a pedo within a sentences minutes of that clip that was posted, if you cared to read the full comment or understand the context of her statement outside of that soundbite. Does that context matter to you? Does it change your opinion?

Again, that's the difference between us. I don't assume what someone says. I respond to what they actually say, and use their words in my response.



Nope, just misrepresenting what she was actually saying while ignoring the rest of the context of her monologue. But you go on and do you.

Wall of quotes and horseshit. Like I said.

 

[GATTACA!]

Epstein was being counseled by the NYT and collaborating with house Dems, but let's pretend this MK commentary is the only thing every and try to swing it in the push to forget the shutdown and create some fake hysteria now.

All the more reason Trump wants everything released! Wait………huh 🤔

 

[sixstar]

Wall of quotes and horseshit. Like I said.

So, you falsely accuse me of gish gallop and covering for Trump, and you ignore my post and call it horseshit. Imagine using a lie to accuse someone of lying, that's rich. You still haven't refuted anything I posted as fact.

lol, you don't want to debate or question or listen or learn. You just want to live in your manufactured narrative and shout at the sky. You do you.