Trump Presidency Round 2

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So, Trump’s Mideast foreign policy is basically what Obama was doing with a big heaping of corruption and crony capitalism on top.

Ironic.

We’ll see how it all shakes out.
 
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Sea Turtle said:
Great things are happening. Hop on board and enjoy the ride.
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Domestically? Not really.

Foreign policy wise, corruption and crony capitalism? Yeah, no thanks to that.

If he negotiates some deal with Iran and a permanent ceasefire fire along with the creation of a Palestinian State great. We’ll see.

Talk of allowing the Saudi’s to develop a nuclear program? Yeah, that’s waaaaay iffier than Iran considering the Saudis are responsible for 9-11, Al Qaeda and Isis.
 
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drayer54 said:
Remember- they lie. A lot.

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Same women that kept innocent men In prison as slaves after evidence surfaced of their innocence.
If Kamala found the bottom of Alcatraz, It still wouldn't suffice. She's a narcissictic criminal at the highest level.
We alll know Biden wasn't the one who picked her as his VP as well. Pelosi, and Obama thought we all would like a foreign racist in the 2nd highest elected office in the land.
Failure rates for Democrats is astronomical.
Elon would crush at that level.


 
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Bluto said:
So, Trump’s Mideast foreign policy is basically what Obama was doing with a big heaping of corruption and crony capitalism on top.

Ironic.

We’ll see how it all shakes out.
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Are you Ok? Not sure If you have political memory loss, but Obama was the worst thing the Middle East had to deal with since Genghis Khan.









You may want to argue, but no need. History has a way of telling the truth.
 
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You can say what you want about Trump. He doesn't kill people that are in a wedding party with a drone strike.
Although Obama was following the orders. I would like to think Obama would know better.
How wrong I was, and I voted for that garbage. Hope and change turned into kill and maime.



Listen to General Wesley Clark. He tells us how the warhawks knew we had wars to fight, for earth minerals, and oil. all the while killing thousands of our friends and soldiers.
Trump and his diplomacy Is changing our country for the betterment of society around the globe, yet some of you want to belittle and degrade him for doing what no other president has done since JFK.
If JFK wasn't killed, Vietnam would have seised to exist, as a war.
You all must be bilionaires.
 
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Gladiator said:
Are you Ok? Not sure If you have political memory loss, but Obama was the worst thing the Middle East had to deal with since Genghis Khan.









You may want to argue, but no need. History has a way of telling the truth.
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Oh boy.

Here’s a list off the top of my head of some of the good times in the Middle East during The Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2 presidencies all of which the US had a pretty direct role in.

Israel invading Lebanon, The Iraqi invasion of Iran and subsequent war for about 10 years with millions dead, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by Israeli extremists and the collapse of the peace process, The US invasion of Afghanistan and subsequent longest war in US history, the US invasion of Iraq and subsequent War for the better part of a decade.

With the above in mind, making the claim that Obama “did more harm to Muslim nations than any other president”or was the worst thing since Genghis Khan while claiming to be a student of history is incredibly stupid.

Now, I do think Obama made a lot of mistakes but the Iran nuclear deal was not one of them and Trump reneging on it was a huge mistake. I’m glad to see he has apparently changed course on that.

As to the Abraham Accords, it included the heavy hitters of UAE, Bharan, Sudan and Morocco.

That’s great and all but it did nothing to deescalate things throughout the broader region, that’s pretty obvious. The main reason why in my opinion is it ignored the ethnic cleansing in Palestine and until that is addressed I don’t see any other countries signing on. Trying to frame it as some monumental agreement at this point is pretty rediculous.

Isis? Again, Trump was simply continuing what had been started under Obama and Isis was ultimately defeated due to cooperation between Iran and Iraqi, the Kurds, Russia, the Syrian Government, the Taliban and the US.

Trump sucking up to the country that bankrolled Isis is an interesting juxtaposition.

The Syrian civil war continued through the first Trump presidency.

The US war in Afghanistan continued through the first Trump presidency.

The US escalated drone strikes during the first Trump presidency.

Israel continued to expand settlements into the West Bank and Israeli snipers were shooting kids in Gaza with Israel given cart blanche through the first Trump presidency.

As to the Pakistan India conflict. The Trump administration had nothing to do with deescalating that or negotiating the current ceasefire. It was a direct negotiation between the Pakistanis and Indians.

And last but not least, the big “win” at this point from this latest Mideast go round is a free jet for Donald (which even Laura Loomer thinks is bad) and the promise to possibly buy more planes from Boeing.

Cool.
 
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The first paragraph is contradictory to previous post. Earlier you said nonwhites with no college education as the Dem base was a "great thing" and your described Trump base of white folks with no college degree are dumb fucks. So one group is great, another is dumb fucks?

Do you not accept the reality that a software developer/ plumber/ electrician with no degree makes more than the average teacher/ journalist/ social worker? Do you really deny that? Do you really need a chart to acknowledge that? Of course you don't. As much as we might disagree, you aren't a dumb fuck lol
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What? I think it is a great thing that the Dems have a base of poor uneducated nonwhites because that means they haven’t lost that cohort of people. Poor uneducated people voting for the Republicans are dumb fucks because they are voting against their best interests. I don’t know how to make it any clearer for you. Yes the Dems have been bad, but the GOP has been bad too AND they're literal stance is reducing government entitlements.

Most trades people obtain some sort of certificate or certification which in most studies does not group them in with uneducated. As far as exit polls go, most trades people would not consider themselves as not having a "college degree" because they would have gotten an education from a trade school or through an apprenticeship program. So, you can ask them next time you see them if you think they consider themselves uneducated. You'll get an interesting response.
 
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Why would you want a real journalist like Jack In jail? Please provide information that would deserve this treatment.
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I agree with a lot of what Jack says, disagree with some of it. But to pretend he is a journalist is laughable lol. He’s as much of a partisan hack as anybody you think is fake news. I think he’s counter productive to the right wing causes I believe in
 
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I agree with a lot of what Jack says, disagree with some of it. But to pretend he is a journalist is laughable lol. He’s as much of a partisan hack as anybody you think is fake news. I think he’s counter productive to the right wing causes I believe in
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Not much to agree with that you can't get anywhere else. The pizzagate, rape melania, who hangs out with neo-nazis isn't someone you should really agree "a lot" with.
 
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Not much to agree with that you can't get anywhere else. The pizzagate, rape melania, who hangs out with neo-nazis isn't someone you should really agree "a lot" with.
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Sort of my point, I mean on actual meat and potatoes issues there’s things I agree with, but to my point of why I disregard him, it’s the insane stuff you mentioned. He’s very clearly not a serious person but instead a terminally online sycophant who promotes conspiracy theories. As a rule of thumb, if you were invited to the Epstein Binder stunt, you are not somebody that should be listened to seriously
 
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drayer54 said:
That's like Biden’s managers blaming gas stations for gas prices. He's economically a Sanders man these days. Toronto should love it.
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Trump could literally do free health care and you would go "HAHA! TORONTO WILL LOVE THIS!!!" as if it's some sort of own lmao.

I couldn't imagine being so in love with a political figure that it makes me abandon my principles.
 
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TorontoGold said:
Trump could literally do free health care and you would go "HAHA! TORONTO WILL LOVE THIS!!!" as if it's some sort of own lmao.

I couldn't imagine being so in love with a political figure that it makes me abandon my principles.
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I thought blaming companies for price increases was your principles?
 
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What? I think it is a great thing that the Dems have a base of poor uneducated nonwhites because that means they haven’t lost that cohort of people. Poor uneducated people voting for the Republicans are dumb fucks because they are voting against their best interests. I don’t know how to make it any clearer for you. Yes the Dems have been bad, but the GOP has been bad too AND they're literal stance is reducing government entitlements.

Most trades people obtain some sort of certificate or certification which in most studies does not group them in with uneducated. As far as exit polls go, most trades people would not consider themselves as not having a "college degree" because they would have gotten an education from a trade school or through an apprenticeship program. So, you can ask them next time you see them if you think they consider themselves uneducated. You'll get an interesting response.
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Eh Eh Eh...you left out the racial aspect that you clearly articulated previously:

Non white people with no college degree = great thing as the Dem base

Poor, white people with no degree who voted for Trump = dumb fucks

Twisted yourself into a Toronto vortex pretzel on that one, bud.

And for all those poor people who voted for Biden in 2020, I bet a year's salary they were not happy about 8% inflation and gas at $5 per gallon.

I don't need to ask the trades folks anything. I'm the one giving them credit for choosing a career path that pays well, provides stability, and leaves one with little to no debt. On the flip side, I encourage you to ask the next bartender/ journalist/ aspiring actress why they put themselves into tends of thousands in debt for a useless degree and see how "educated" they think they are.
 
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Polish Leppy 22 said:
Eh Eh Eh...you left out the racial aspect that you clearly articulated previously:

Non white people with no college degree = great thing as the Dem base

Poor, white people with no degree who voted for Trump = dumb fucks

Twisted yourself into a Toronto vortex pretzel on that one, bud.

And for all those poor people who voted for Biden in 2020, I bet a year's salary they were not happy about 8% inflation and gas at $5 per gallon.

I don't need to ask the trades folks anything. I'm the one giving them credit for choosing a career path that pays well, provides stability, and leaves one with little to no debt. On the flip side, I encourage you to ask the next bartender/ journalist/ aspiring actress why they put themselves into tends of thousands in debt for a useless degree and see how "educated" they think they are.
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Ok, the racial aspect makes it even more clear why its good that poor black people vote for the Dems? Like what? Are you really not understanding the difference of voting against your self interests are? Can you even articulate what my position is? Try it.

Ok, how educated do you think you are?
 
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TorontoGold said:
Ok, the racial aspect makes it even more clear why its good that poor black people vote for the Dems? Like what? Are you really not understanding the difference of voting against your self interests are? Can you even articulate what my position is? Try it.

Ok, how educated do you think you are?
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Riddle me this. If the left who has held power longer and more often then the right, and a the party of DEI and civil rights, why are minorities still living largely in poverty, have higher crime rates, lower test scores, higher single parent homes, more children out of wedlock, more children with multiple partners?

Let me guess, White Privilege? Trump?
 
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Riddle me this. If the left who has held power longer and more often then the right, and a the party of DEI and civil rights, why are minorities still living largely in poverty, have higher crime rates, lower test scores, higher single parent homes, more children out of wedlock, more children with multiple partners?

Let me guess, White Privilege? Trump?
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Do you genuinely not know?
 
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