Trattou

[Irishkid23]

i totally agree with you but, we dont got to call the kid a jackass. he's only 18 and the gators just did a better job at selling UF defense to him.

and to irishkid 23

i cant believe you blamed this on charlie, i hope you blamed the ND change for the past 2 years on him also. because im thankful for CW. our defense wasnt getting it done so he hired a new DC and maybe a new defensive scheme (3-4). this change is better for us done the road and if this change causes a recruit to change his mind, so be it. remember guys we are in a REBUILDING year. its all about the future and hopefully we can get a kid better than JT next year.

Well, You better believe it. DEFENSE WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!! CW has known for 2 years that ND needed D talent. Yes, he has great O talent, but one side of the ball is not enough. He's been in the pros and he's no ones fool. So now explain why he hasn't pushed for the D talent as hard as the O talent. And please don't tell me he doesn't understand D talent and doesn't know how to recruit it. It firmly appears that the other schools coaches OUTRECRIUTED him (Wilson, Trattou, Martin, Donald, etc).

 

[choo choo]

dumbass

 

[gboroirish]

this is bullshit. trattou was going to be an animal in the blue and gold. i dont know what to do now

 

[NDstud21]

I keep hearing all of this "he's an ND guy at heart". No way! A true ND guy would never commit to the Irish and then back off.

He needs to go back and watch Rudy again..

I'm not that worried though. Our 08 class is gonna be stacked with Defensive talent.

 

[NDirish66]

Trattou moving upset me for the small time it took me to click over and Watch Kerry Neal's videos. This kid has just as big of motor as Trattou or Wilson. Yes, I'd like to have all three. Kerry Neal has been the most underrated player the entire year. Wilson and Trattou will be good, Neal will be great!

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Everyone calm down. I was just as upset as anyone, but one guy will not make or break a team. Remember that we have good players from last years class. I expect Morrice Richardson to be good. John Ryan showed some promise. Remember these kids were only 18 years old last year, dont expect them to be studs right off the bat. Add them to Kerry Neal, and CW is already working on next year, and our defense will be much improved. Losing Trattou will not be a big deal, and quite frankly if he wasnt sure about us, i dont want him anyway. I wouldnt want him playing for the irish and in the back of his mind always wondering if he shouldve gone to florida. goodbye justin, i hope we never here from you again, but in the long run, you will be meaningless in our recruiting.

 

[irishunclebill]

YES! I blame Charlie. He knows football; and yes, he knew we needed D talent LAST year. So what happened this year. He goes out and recruits more great O talent, but skated on the D talent. It appears that the other schools coaches looking for D talent (Trattou, Wilson, Martin, Donald, etc) outdid CW on that front. He should have put more recruiting effort into D talent. CB appears to be a good hire, but we'll see in a few years. AGAIN, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!.

Boring!!

 

[irishunclebill]

Well, You better believe it. DEFENSE WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!! CW has known for 2 years that ND needed D talent. Yes, he has great O talent, but one side of the ball is not enough. He's been in the pros and he's no ones fool. So now explain why he hasn't pushed for the D talent as hard as the O talent. And please don't tell me he doesn't understand D talent and doesn't know how to recruit it. It firmly appears that the other schools coaches OUTRECRIUTED him (Wilson, Trattou, Martin, Donald, etc).

You keep saying the same thing over and over again. Give it a rest. You don't like CW. We all know that by now. Give it a rest. I'm bored again.

 

[irishfan81]

YES! I blame Charlie. He knows football; and yes, he knew we needed D talent LAST year. So what happened this year. He goes out and recruits more great O talent, but skated on the D talent. It appears that the other schools coaches looking for D talent (Trattou, Wilson, Martin, Donald, etc) outdid CW on that front. He should have put more recruiting effort into D talent. CB appears to be a good hire, but we'll see in a few years. AGAIN, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!.

This is what I was trying to say. Charlie simply doesn't put enough time and effort into Defense. We landed 1 defensive lineman in this class we needed 7 or 8 and we got 1 and the other is a sitting duck who will be a scout team guy for the rest of his career. This is not exceptable. Right now our potent offense will have to have a shootout with teams or will our offense have a cushion to work with. Charlie is a offensive mind and only cares about offense. Except for hiring CB. But the thing is CB needs defensive studs to work magic with. He needs a arsenal of weapons to use on defense as well. As soon as he recognizes that we will not be in a National Title game and suffer in the BCS games. OR will he say If I can recruit defense we will win NC's and such.

 

[irishunclebill]

Sidell Corley, a Top 100 DE recruit de-committed from Florida the day after the ex-ND DE recruit so lovingly committed to Urban. Yesterday, Corley’s father told the Mobile Press Register that his son is no longer interested in Florida because “his son was concerned that Florida was still recruiting several other defensive ends.”

Link to Press Register article:

http://www.al.com/sports/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/sports/116989304852110.xml&coll=3

I am almost beginning to feel sorry for this 18 year old ex-ND recruit for having entrusted his future to an obviously ruthless and manipulative personality such as Urban Meyer. The kid’s father should have known better. One final thought, if the ex-ND recruit is not wondering to himself today, “What have I gotten myself into” then he never really was an “ND guy”.

This is my final post on the subject of the ex-ND recruit because he never existed as far as the ND Football Program is concerned going forward.

 

[Irishcardfan]

He might be a good player but if he's not IRISH.. Who cares!!! GO IRISH!!!!

 

[Freeman Ara]

Well, You better believe it. DEFENSE WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!! CW has known for 2 years that ND needed D talent. Yes, he has great O talent, but one side of the ball is not enough. He's been in the pros and he's no ones fool. So now explain why he hasn't pushed for the D talent as hard as the O talent. And please don't tell me he doesn't understand D talent and doesn't know how to recruit it. It firmly appears that the other schools coaches OUTRECRIUTED him (Wilson, Trattou, Martin, Donald, etc).

I don't know if Weis got out recruited he was in the homes or in contact with just about every major defensive recruit you can think of, that right there shows me that he understands we need defensive talent. We just didn't get as many as we would have liked, thats recruiting. By the way with all the personnel we were going to lose this year on offense we needed offensive talent too you can't totally go after defensive only this year. Just because some 18 year old doesn't choose ND doesn't mean Weis isn't trying his ass off to get those guys in here.

 

[Irishkid23]

I don't know if Weis got out recruited he was in the homes or in contact with just about every major defensive recruit you can think of, that right there shows me that he understands we need defensive talent. We just didn't get as many as we would have liked, thats recruiting. By the way with all the personnel we were going to lose this year on offense we needed offensive talent too you can't totally go after defensive only this year. Just because some 18 year old doesn't choose ND doesn't mean Weis isn't trying his ass off to get those guys in here.

He offered some too late and relied upon ND's mystic to win the recruiting battle with some players. Maybe he even got a little cocky. Only 6 D players in 2007 so far. I'm pretty certain that other coaches as usual are telling the recruits negatives about ND. This does sway some kids. Also I believe the last 2 blowouts killed our recruiting. I do think Weis also believes this and hired Corwin Brown.

 

[Irishkid23]

Boring!!

Hey Bill:

Wake up!!!!! Smell the coffee and get some common sense.

 

[Irishkid23]

You keep saying the same thing over and over again. Give it a rest. You don't like CW. We all know that by now. Give it a rest. I'm bored again.

No. I like CW, he has to do a better job.

 

[Irishkid23]

This is what I was trying to say. Charlie simply doesn't put enough time and effort into Defense. We landed 1 defensive lineman in this class we needed 7 or 8 and we got 1 and the other is a sitting duck who will be a scout team guy for the rest of his career. This is not exceptable. Right now our potent offense will have to have a shootout with teams or will our offense have a cushion to work with. Charlie is a offensive mind and only cares about offense. Except for hiring CB. But the thing is CB needs defensive studs to work magic with. He needs a arsenal of weapons to use on defense as well. As soon as he recognizes that we will not be in a National Title game and suffer in the BCS games. OR will he say If I can recruit defense we will win NC's and such.

You have it right!

 

[ojo_223]

Okay, guys, this is getting a little out of hand here.

Is our defensive recruiting going the way that we would like? No, it is not. However, it is not like we haven't gotten anyone. We're not sifting through walk-ons and unoffered players that nobody has ever heard of.

The defense will be fairly new next year, with the exception of Laws, Zibby, Lambert, Crum and Wooden. Most of the kids that we have on D (and there are quite a few) haven't seen that much playing time. Let's give them a chance before we start bitching that we don't have anybody. Nagel and Paskorz are atheletes. They may turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread, who knows? I think that we are forgetting that there are some players on the team that deserve a shot. Vernaglia and Brockington could be out to prove themselves this year. Mix in the new guys that are hungry and the attitude of Corwin Brown and we might just have a pretty good D. Let's give our guys a shot before we give up and start crying about having a terrible D. I know, it's a long wait until September, but that is when we will find out what we truly have. It might be better than you think.

Go Irish!!

 

[Freeman Ara]

He offered some too late and relied upon ND's mystic to win the recruiting battle with some players. Maybe he even got a little cocky. Only 6 D players in 2007 so far. I'm pretty certain that other coaches as usual are telling the recruits negatives about ND. This does sway some kids. Also I believe the last 2 blowouts killed our recruiting. I do think Weis also believes this and hired Corwin Brown.

I don't think he offered anybody to late, most of the big names had offers early. You can't just offer 12 DT scholarships because then your just recruiting for numbers. I think Minter/Weis decided on their top 6-8 DL and really focused their attention on those guys. Weis has always said he isn't going to recruit numbers but talent. As the big name guys came off the board as it were he intensified his efforts on the remaining guys and offered new guys who he thought maybe were hidden talents, but he didn't offer anybody he didn't think could play or make it through admin. And the mystique factor is the last thing that Weis would do, this isn't Willingham here. I think Weis gets that ND isn't seen in the same light by todays HS kids as it was back in the 70's,80's and 90's even. To be honest the blowouts might have had an affect but I don't put to much weight in that. Personally, I think Weis made up his mind about Minter before the bowl game and let the prospective recruits he had targeted know there was a DC change coming. Now you expect an 18 year old kid to take a leap of faith that the new guy coming in is going to do the same things as the guy that sat in their living room and sold them on ND. They wouldn't have even known who the new DC was going to be prior to the AA game when most of these guys decided.

 

[Irishkid23]

I don't think he offered anybody to late, most of the big names had offers early. You can't just offer 12 DT scholarships because then your just recruiting for numbers. I think Minter/Weis decided on their top 6-8 DL and really focused their attention on those guys. Weis has always said he isn't going to recruit numbers but talent. As the big name guys came off the board as it were he intensified his efforts on the remaining guys and offered new guys who he thought maybe were hidden talents, but he didn't offer anybody he didn't think could play or make it through admin. And the mystique factor is the last thing that Weis would do, this isn't Willingham here. I think Weis gets that ND isn't seen in the same light by todays HS kids as it was back in the 70's,80's and 90's even. To be honest the blowouts might have had an affect but I don't put to much weight in that. Personally, I think Weis made up his mind about Minter before the bowl game and let the prospective recruits he had targeted know there was a DC change coming. Now you expect an 18 year old kid to take a leap of faith that the new guy coming in is going to do the same things as the guy that sat in their living room and sold them on ND. They wouldn't have even known who the new DC was going to be prior to the AA game when most of these guys decided.

Well, I agree with most of what you say, but Weis needed to have commitments earlier for LB's and DT's or go to Plan B. It appears he kept waiting too long for a commitment from Plan A guys and I believe they dumped him after the USC and LSU debacles.

The recruits may have been told who the new DC might be, or at least who those candidates might be. This keeps kids interested or they may just back off. We really don't know.

It's unfortunate that we lost Trattou, but I now believe Charlie will see the light and he now clearly sees the ruthlessness of the recruiting world in a personal light. Weis plays it straight in recruiting, but some other coaches obviously do not.

 

[Irishkid23]

dumbass

Wake up! You're sleeping on your train.

 

[Junkhead]

Recruits be damned, I could find 10 of my friends and hold LSU to 600yards. The defensive coaching change should make a difference, regardless of one recruit. (The 10 friend thing was an exaggeration, we'd probably give up 650 yards).