The Mitchell Report Cometh

[NDOM]

Nothing against ANY of your guys posts but WHO FUC_ING CARES? I'm so damn sick of hearing about this shit I could puke. The mitchell report, the mitchell report, More on the mitchell report. You know what I think????

EFF THE DAMN MITCHELL REPORT

 

[ab2cmiller]

If you're that upset about it, I would probably suggest not reading this particular thread anymore. You are going to have a heart attack or something.

 

[Sureal]

NDOM is raging!!! Test him!!! j/k

I hear ya man but it's the mainline news (CNN, FOXNews) of the day I guess.
It's like:

"Let's be more concerned about cheatin millionaires while we still have a war going on."

Didn't Al-Qaeda attack innocent people in Algeria?
What about the wonton gun violence in public places that has occured over the past what 2 weeks?


Yet as we are posting in the sports world(IE, ESPN, GH) this is going to be a topic...

 

[SoCalDomer]

Word just came out that Roger Clemens will be in the report for taking Steriods. A 45 year old man that got stronger....what a shock.

It wouldn't surprise me that there could be just as many pitchers as position players who used them. One thing about pitching is that it takes a toll on your legs and arm for relievers and starters alike. They may not have used them to get big, but instead to recover quickly to make it through 163+ games.

IMO, I think a blanket ban from the Hall of Fame for anybody who played during the steriod era. This morning on First Take, they debated whether Clemens and Bonds deserve to be there. The arguments for both of them were that they were both HOF material before we have evidence of them taking drugs. That is such a weak argument.

1) So what. You don't reward cheaters.
2) There will not be any punishment for the cheating, allowing them into the HOF only adds to the complete lack of punishment for cheaters.
3) The process of determining who was a HOF candidate before we think they took drugs is so completely subjective as to render that argument completely meritless.

The most likely response to my opinion is that it is unfair to those who did not take the steroids but might otherwise be HOF material. To that I respond:

1) Only a handful of players have come out and been honest about their own use or what they know about other players. Honesty is completely lacking in baseball. People who've said they never did, turn around and fail a test. Others refuse to answer questions, taking the 5th or just refuse to talk about it. Even this "study" will not reveal everyone who cheated.
2) Those who did not take them likely knew who did and sat idly by and did nothing about it. I know Wham didn't like this quote from me: "All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." The "good players" (non-cheaters) did nothing, now they live with the consequences.
3) It's the players' union that bears a good bit of the fault for allowing this culture to exist. The union protects cheaters by refusing to agree to any kind of drug testing (until recently). The non-cheaters allowed the union to do so and went along with it. Therefore the non-cheaters are just as guilty by agreeing to allow the union to protect the cheaters and stifle any efforts to root out drugs in baseball. The non-cheaters should have insisted on drug testing, because they were more likely to lose money, possibly lose a career because they couldn't compete with enhanced players. That leads me to believe that a majority (meaning more than 50%) of the players used them. If less than a majority used them, the the non-cheating majority could have easily out-voted the minority cheaters and agreed to a drug testing policy

There may also be those who argue: "who cares, players should be allowed to ingest whatever they want so long as they accept the consequences. Afterall, it's just entertainment."

1) The entertainment argument is weak. If we're not interested in legitimate competition, why not just have the games scripted. Before the game, the teams will decide who gets to hit homeruns, how many runs are scored, how many strikeouts, etc. That would ensure you're entertainment is maximized. "But then it's fake, no longer a game." Exactly, but that's what entertainment is: fake. Baseball is a competition, not entertainment, at least is should be. The fact that it might be entertaining does not change the basic premise: players compete on a level playing field with the objective to score more runs than the opponent.
2) The ripple effect of allowing the players to take the drugs is that it requires minor leaguers and college players to do so, and on down the competition chain. If I'm a minor leaguer or college player and one day I am going to have to compete with steroid enhanced players, no scout is going to look at me unless I appear that I can compete at that level. But I will never make the minor leagues or college unless I start now. "I need an edge. I should start taking the steroids now, so that I can compete with them sooner."

Ok, I'm done. Don't feel the need to respond. Just venting.

 

[Newc]

Holy ShiT!!!!!

Sorry for my language but CNBC is listing some names that have been leaked from the list, so far they have listed these names:

Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Jason Varitek
Albert Pujols
Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Mark McGuire
Sammy Sosa
Johnny Damon
Aaron Boone
Brett Boone
Nomar Garciaparra
Miguel Tejada
Mark Prior
Kerry Wood

Like I said, this is being reported by CNBC and not written in stone.

My stomach cringed after reading that list...I can't believe it.

 

[Newc]

I feel sick.

 

[daytonirish]

Lot of Sox players being thrown out there.

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Jason Varitek
Albert Pujols
Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Mark McGuire
Sammy Sosa
Johnny Damon
Aaron Boone
Brett Boone
Nomar Garciaparra
Miguel Tejada
Mark Prior
Kerry Wood

Where is Bonds? That will be the worst if his name doesn't come up.

 

[SoCalDomer]

CNBC is listing some names that have been leaked from the list, so far they have listed these names:

Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Jason Varitek
Albert Pujols
Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Mark McGuire
Sammy Sosa
Johnny Damon
Aaron Boone
Brett Boone
Nomar Garciaparra
Miguel Tejada
Mark Prior
Kerry Wood

Of that list Pujols is the most surprising to me and the most dissapointing. If you notice something about that list, 1) there are a bunch of pitchers on it which is what I said above would not surprise me; and 2) many of those players suffered significant injuries at one time. It will not surprise me to hear the explanations: "I just took them to help my recovery from _____."

EDIT: Later revealed info proved the initial report about Pujols being in the report was wrong, along with a number of other names released here.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Where is Bonds? That will be the worst if his name doesn't come up.

I don't think that's a comprehensive list. It was a few names leaked to the media. (BTW, I hate that everything seems to be leaked to the media, whether it's national secrets or grandjury testimony; where the heck is the honesty these days.)

 

[Sureal]

Mostly every team has been hit. Let's say screw it and start watching Poker Tournaments. At least their clean. Sad day.

 

[KAPLAN]

Bonds did not make the list b/c it was an investigative report and everyone and thier brother already knew he was on Roids. 3 five year olds and a home doctor kit could have made that discovery. He is the biggest cheater ever and everyone knows it. Putting him in the report would be a waste of ink.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

mmm..What a surprised...Nobody named the best player of my era on that list

Greg Maddux...........350 wins and a 85 mph fastball and NO STERIODS

Cheers to you Mad Dog

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

Bonds did not make the list b/c it was an investigative report and everyone and thier brother already knew he was on Roids. 3 five year olds and a home doctor kit could have made that discovery. He is the biggest cheater ever and everyone knows it. Putting him in the report would be a waste of ink.

LOL...Thanks for clearing that up KAPLAN

 

[Newc]

Of that list Pujols is the most surprising to me and the most dissapointing. If you notice something about that list, 1) there are a bunch of pitchers on it which is what I said above would not surprise me; and 2) many of those players suffered significant injuries at one time. It will not surprise me to hear the explanations: "I just took them to help my recovery from _____."

Unfortunately I really think that is the major reason behind their use. Guys either coming back from injury or trying to prolong their careers. Look at Wood and Prior, talk about being desperate for something to get you back into the bigs.


Its a sad day for sure, like someone said on here before, this report is something you really wanted to see, but once you see it you wish you hadn't.

 

[Freeman Ara]

I just watched the CNBC web video of the anchor reading off the list and he named Bonds in his segment. I think records held by any of these players need to be reverted back to the prior record holders. It won't happen but it should.

 

[johnnd05]

Wow. Yeah, Pujols is the toughest on that list to swallow. The rest are pretty unsurprising ...

 

[johnnd05]

WNBC.com's Jonathan Dienst has obtained names expected to be on George Mitchell's list of baseball players linked to performance-enhancing drugs in major league baseball. Baseball officials are refuting several names on the list.

A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC.com by two sources. Our two sources are standing by the preliminary list provided to WNBC.com. Therefore, we are working to clarify the list at this time.

Mitchell's Steroid List Leaked, Disputed By MLB Official - Sports News Story - WNBC | New York

 

[Newc]

Nice find John. Thats the problem with reporting the info first, sometimes its not completely accurate.

I appologize if I upset anyone with posting what I heard from CNBC, the best bet is to just wait till 2:00 and hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Link to the actual report. Warning ... it's pretty big ... LOL ..... 409 pages

http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

 

[The Polish Irishman]

I hope I was not named.....I never got injected in the butt by another man

 

[ab2cmiller]

I didn't read the report but I did skim through and pick out some of the bigger names:

Clemens
Pettite
Mo Vaughn
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Brian Roberts
Lenny Dykstra
Miguel Tejada
Paul Lo Duca
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Rick Ankiel
Jose Canseco
Matt Williams
David Segui

It looks like almost all of the names mentioned are connected somehow through the Kirk Radomski. If he wouldn't have met with Mitchell, it looks like they would have had very little to report

 

[ab2cmiller]

Section of the report about McGwire

During the course of this investigation, we interviewed a number of coaches, club personnel, former teammates, and other persons who know McGwire. Only Canseco, who
repeated the allegations from his memoir, said he had knowledge of McGwire’s alleged use of steroids. Through his personal lawyer, I asked McGwire to meet with me for an nterview about these issues, but he declined to do so. I then sent his lawyer a list of specific questions about whether McGwire had ever used steroids or other performance enhancing substances without a prescription during his major league career, in the hope that McGwire would be willing to provide a response outside of the context of an interview. Neither McGwire nor his lawyer responded to that letter. (I sent similar letters with specific questions to lawyers for Barry Bonds, Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, and Gary Sheffield, none of whom provided answers to my questions either.)

 

[Newc]

For Sox fans out there...the Veritek naming was false!! Veritek was NOT named in the Mitchell report!!!!

Thank God, that one really hurt bad when I heard that this morning.


Goes to show you, not everything reported is accurate.

 

[Newc]

Mo Vaughn hurts though. They even have copies of the checks he wrote to buy HGH in the report.

Big Mo was the man, it hurts to now see him in this light. Its a shame.

 

[johnnd05]

I am through with professional baseball.

I am through with professional baseball.

Randy Velarde? RANDY VELARDE???? What's next, Mike Gallego taking shots in the butt? Give me a break ...

Man, do the Yanks come out looking bad here or what?

 

[johnnd05]

For Sox fans out there...the Veritek naming was false!! Veritek was NOT named in the Mitchell report!!!!

Thank God, that one really hurt bad when I heard that this morning.


Goes to show you, not everything reported is accurate.

Same for Pujols ...

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Baseball is boring. Midseason next year, no one will care about this report.

 

[johnnd05]

Baseball is boring. Midseason next year, no one will care about this report.

Midseason next year, no one will care about BASEBALL.

 

[Newc]

Same for Pujols ...

Good call...I forgot about that one. A little too wrapped up in searching for Sox names.