Should BVG Be Fired?

[Irish YJ]

Didn't get to see a full Wisconsin game this year, so I couldn't really comment with any real insight. But a cursory look at the statistics shows that Wisconsin's Defense was significantly better than ND's. They gave up 13.7 points per game, while we gave up 24.1; they forced 21 turnovers to our 14; they had 28 sacks to our 25; they gave up 95.4 yards rushing per game to our 175.6; and they gave up 173.2 yards passing per game to our 197.1. What I can't speak on is how their recruiting on defense compares to ours. Lets face it: ND has been focused on recruiting the offensive side of the ball for the last few years. That's not to say they haven't gotten some big name defenders, but the focus has been on offense. So do you think they were really digging as deep, trying to find the diamonds in the rough, so to speak, on defense? They've done a good job of identifying them on offense. CJ Prosise, Everett Golson, Cam McDaniel, Nick Martin, and Josh Adams were all 3* guys on offense, who have made significant contributions to the team. I anticipate that Kelly now has his offense to the point where the staff can turn their focus in recruiting to the defense. I think we will see significant improvement. I can't guarantee it, but it is my best guess.

Did a very quick look at Scout's position (DL, LB, DB) rankings (recruiting) back through 2011. ND was in the top 15 several times (top 15 in two areas a few years). Only saw Wisconsin in the top 15 twice, and one of the two ND was still ahead of them.

IMO, this takes recruiting and geography off the table. I'm not a smart man, but that leaves coaching, development, and scheme / play-calling . Not trying to be smarty pants. I really liked the hire, but now questioning everything he does. My UGA and Auburn buddies and employees all told me "you won't be happy".... didn't believe them at first.

 

[kmoose]

Did a very quick look at Scout's position (DL, LB, DB) rankings (recruiting) back through 2011. ND was in the top 15 several times (top 15 in two areas a few years). Only saw Wisconsin in the top 15 twice, and one of the two ND was still ahead of them.

OK, then. It sounds like Wisconsin is doing more with less. I've never once argued that VanGorder is the best Defensive Coordinator out there.

IMO, this takes recruiting and geography off the table. I'm not a smart man, but that leaves coaching, development, and scheme / play-calling . Not trying to be smarty pants. I really liked the hire, but now questioning everything he does. My UGA and Auburn buddies and employees all told me "you won't be happy".... didn't believe them at first.

I question your UGA and Auburn associates' football acumen, then. Especially the UGA fans. VanGorder was at Georgia for four seasons(2001-2004). In 3 of those seasons, Georgia was in the Top 10 in Scoring Defense. They were #4 in 2002, #3 in 2003, and #9 in 2004. He was only at Auburn for one year (2012), and their defense went from #79 in scoring defense in 2011, to #66 in VanGorder's year there. I'm not saying that the guy is great, or that he hasn't made any mistakes, or that he can't improve. But I am saying that, in my opinion, we should not sh!tcan him just yet.

 

[phillyirish]

You can't really compare defenses straight up like that. Wisconsin gave up 3 points total against a 3 game span of Miami OH, Troy and Hawaii. Then take into the account how many good offenses are in the big 10??? They didn't play OSU the only really potent one. Gave up 35 against Bama (right around their average). Against common opponent gave up 21 (10 points less then we did) to SC.

 

[kmoose]

You can't really compare defenses straight up like that. Wisconsin gave up 3 points total against a 3 game span of Miami OH, Troy and Hawaii. Then take into the account how many good offenses are in the big 10??? They didn't play OSU the only really potent one. Gave up 35 against Bama (right around their average). Against common opponent gave up 21 (10 points less then we did) to SC.

I tend to agree. But if you try to factor in each and every permutation, then you will go blind looking at data. Miami, Troy, and Hawaii are good mid-majors, but that doesn't mean that they don't have potent offenses. Remember BYU in the 80s? Or more recently, Boise State, Texas Tech, Nevada for the Kaepernick years? So you have to stop somewhere. For the sake of simplicity(and my sanity), I chose just to look at defensive rankings. It's not intended to be an absolute conclusion, though.

 

[Irish#1]

My UGA and Auburn buddies and employees all told me "you won't be happy".... didn't believe them at first.

I question your UGA and Auburn associates' football acumen, then.

IYJ tends to hang with a questionable crowd. lol

 

[Irish#1]

Per the IndyStar, BVG got a $275K buyout. Compensation for BK, Jack, Brey and Muffet are also listed.


https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...brian-vangorder-got-257-000-buyout/613445002/

SOUTH BEND — Former Notre Dame defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder received a buyout of at least $257,000 after he was fired following a 1-3 start to the 2016 football season.

The buyout, part of his compensation for the 2016 calendar year, was disclosed on Notre Dame’s federal tax return released Tuesday. The return covers the fiscal year ending June 30, 2017, and compensation for the 2016 calendar year. The return did not indicate whether VanGorder would receive additional money in the future.

VanGorder’s total compensation for the period was $1,195,289. He was in his third year at Notre Dame and is currently serving as the defensive coordinator at Louisville under coach Bobby Petrino.

Most private colleges and universities are non-profit organizations, which means they must annually file a tax return that includes information about the pay of their most highly compensated employees. Although the returns mostly cover fiscal years that involve parts of two calendar years, the IRS requires that the compensation reporting cover the calendar year completed during the university’s fiscal year.

The new return also listed the compensation of other Notre Dame athletics employees.

Football coach Brian Kelly was credited with more than $2.1 million — an increase from the $1.6 million he received the previous year. His base salary increased to $1.2 million from $900,000. He also received $600,000 in bonus pay, up from $450,000.

Athletic director Jack Swarbrick received a total of just more than $1.6 million, down from the $3.1 million he made in 2015. The 2015 compensation included $900,000 in deferred compensation that had been reported on prior years' returns and a $970,000 bonus. Both are significantly more than the 2016 payments. His 2016 bonus is $200,000.

Men’s basketball coach Mike Brey received $2.4 million over the reporting period, including $1.27 million from the school and $1.15 million from Play By Play Sports, the outside multimedia and marketing rights entity that is part of Notre Dame sports properties.

Women’s basketball coach Muffet McGraw made nearly $1.7 million, including more than $1 million in base pay and $201,554 in bonuses (Notre Dame lost to Stanford in the Sweet 16 in 2016). McGraw also received $300,000 from Play By Play Sports.

 

[koonja]

Per the IndyStar, BVG got a $275K buyout. Compensation for BK, Jack, Brey and Muffet are also listed.


https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...brian-vangorder-got-257-000-buyout/613445002/

SOUTH BEND — Former Notre Dame defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder received a buyout of at least $257,000 after he was fired following a 1-3 start to the 2016 football season.

The buyout, part of his compensation for the 2016 calendar year, was disclosed on Notre Dame’s federal tax return released Tuesday. The return covers the fiscal year ending June 30, 2017, and compensation for the 2016 calendar year. The return did not indicate whether VanGorder would receive additional money in the future.

VanGorder’s total compensation for the period was $1,195,289. He was in his third year at Notre Dame and is currently serving as the defensive coordinator at Louisville under coach Bobby Petrino.

Most private colleges and universities are non-profit organizations, which means they must annually file a tax return that includes information about the pay of their most highly compensated employees. Although the returns mostly cover fiscal years that involve parts of two calendar years, the IRS requires that the compensation reporting cover the calendar year completed during the university’s fiscal year.

The new return also listed the compensation of other Notre Dame athletics employees.

Football coach Brian Kelly was credited with more than $2.1 million — an increase from the $1.6 million he received the previous year. His base salary increased to $1.2 million from $900,000. He also received $600,000 in bonus pay, up from $450,000.

Athletic director Jack Swarbrick received a total of just more than $1.6 million, down from the $3.1 million he made in 2015. The 2015 compensation included $900,000 in deferred compensation that had been reported on prior years' returns and a $970,000 bonus. Both are significantly more than the 2016 payments. His 2016 bonus is $200,000.

Men’s basketball coach Mike Brey received $2.4 million over the reporting period, including $1.27 million from the school and $1.15 million from Play By Play Sports, the outside multimedia and marketing rights entity that is part of Notre Dame sports properties.

Women’s basketball coach Muffet McGraw made nearly $1.7 million, including more than $1 million in base pay and $201,554 in bonuses (Notre Dame lost to Stanford in the Sweet 16 in 2016). McGraw also received $300,000 from Play By Play Sports.

So BK made $3 million? That's highly underpaid for this job. You can go to a state school and double that.

 

[IrishLion]

So BK made $3 million? That's highly underpaid for this job. You can go to a state school and double that.

He's making more than that. It's just coming from private entities that don't need to be included on public compensation reports, since it's not coming directly from ND.

 

[phork]

BK makes more in other avenues I am sure.

 

[koonja]

He's making more than that. It's just coming from private entities that don't need to be included on public compensation reports, since it's not coming directly from ND.

BK makes more in other avenues I am sure.

Got it. I thought this might be the report that finally captured the mystery "what/is the ND coach making more than reported?".

Sounds like that's still an unknown.