Should BVG Be Fired?

[kmoose]

How in the hell did he limit Christian McCaffrey to under 100 yards rushing?

White Privilege.

 

[pkt77242]

No. It's NOT. They are not assigned a zone to cover. WTF is so hard to understand about that? They are merely dropping off so that the QB cannot float a duck right over the head of the blitzing CB. They simply occupy space.

Nope. Usually they have shallow inside zones and that is what they drop into. There is no other defenders in that area. Here is a quote from the article listed below. The quote is from Bill Arnsparger one of the first people to employ the zone blitz.

What makes the zone blitz successful is that it allows the defense to bring outside linebackers and safeties to one side or both sides without using man-to-man blitz coverage. Normal blitzes use man-to-man coverage. The offensive line and one or two backs are assigned to block the defensive line and linebackers. In the zone blitz, the linebacker blitzes along with a secondary player, but the offensive pickup is different. It is different because defensive linemen who usually rush are now dropping out to short inside zones to replace the linebacker and secondary player that blitz. Because of the blitzer’s path, it is difficult for the offensive linemen to adjust.

Controlled Chaos «

They have an assigned zone, that is a shallow zone either over the middle or to the flat.

 

[loomis41973]

White Privilege.

affluenza

 

[kmoose]

Nope. Usually they have shallow inside zones and that is what they drop into. There is no other defenders in that area. Here is a quote from the article listed below. The quote is from Bill Arnsparger one of the first people to employ the zone blitz.



Controlled Chaos «

They have an assigned zone, that is a shallow zone either over the middle or to the flat.

Hmpphh. Mea culpa. I wasn't aware that the scheme had evolved so much.

 

[NDRock]

Hmpphh. Mea culpa. I wasn't aware that the scheme had evolved so much.

That quote was from a book he wrote 17 years ago.

 

[Tejas]

affluenza

That only works in Texas

 

[GATTACA!]

Hmpphh. Mea culpa. I wasn't aware that the scheme had evolved so much.

Idk kinda tomato tomato. My biggest problem with it isn't that the guys dropping are actually getting burned it's that after a pass is completed, even not in their area, you get a DT trying to chase down a WR instead of a LB who's stuck back by the LOS. So even if nothing gets completed in their zone or passing lane you're still giving up extra YAC.

Honest question though, are these zone blitzs just a symptom of not being able to get a push with our base front? Like if we were getting a better push to begin with we wouldn't need to be trying all this extra exotic shit.

 

[stlnd01]

How in the hell did he limit Christian McCaffrey to under 100 yards rushing?

By selling out to do it. Several times this year we schemed to take away dangerous individual players, and succeeded. We also shut down tricky-but-one-dimensional offenses like Georgia Tech and Navy.
But balanced offenses gave us trouble. In Stanford's case we forced Hogan to beat us, and he did. Today Ohio State had too many weapons, and we were too depleted. But it wasn't Ezekiel Elliot who beat us, not in the first half anyway. It was Barrett.

What really gets me about our defense is two things: We're terrible on third downs, and we don't force turnovers. Both speak to a lack of playmakers, of guys who can blow up a play when it counts or force a mistake. This is weird because I feel like we have the most athletic defense we've had in a long time; they should be more disruptive than they are. The fact they're not would suggest our players are tentative, which fits with all the talk about how our defense is so complex.
Also weird because we're supposedly running this aggressive scheme that should force mistakes - in exchange for giving up the occasional big play. We give up the big play, but we don't create very many mistakes. Seems like a bad trade.

 

[pkt77242]

By selling out to do it. Several times this year we schemed to take away dangerous individual players, and succeeded. We also shut down tricky-but-one-dimensional offenses like Georgia Tech and Navy.
But balanced offenses gave us trouble. In Stanford's case we forced Hogan to beat us, and he did. Today Ohio State had too many weapons, and we were too depleted. But it wasn't Ezekiel Elliot who beat us, not in the first half anyway. It was Barrett.

What really gets me about our defense is two things: We're terrible on third downs, and we don't force turnovers. Both speak to a lack of playmakers, of guys who can blow up a play when it counts or force a mistake. This is weird because I feel like we have the most athletic defense we've had in a long time; they should be more disruptive than they are. The fact they're not would suggest our players are tentative, which fits with all the talk about how our defense is so complex.
Also weird because we're supposedly running this aggressive scheme that should force mistakes - in exchange for giving up the occasional big play. We give up the big play, but we don't create very many mistakes. Seems like a bad trade.

I would say three things. Add bad tackling to that list.

 

[NDgradstudent]

44 Points scored by Ohio State, the most ever against Notre Dame in the 35 bowl games it has played. The previous mark was Alabama’s 42-14-victory in the 2013 BCS Championship.

This figure, along with the record-setting points given up over the second half of last season, seem pretty startling given our talent level on D now relative to the past. Worst, most, etc., are not words you want to hear about any part of a would-be elite team.

 

[dmort]

Injuries,injuries and player misconduct causing key players to be sent home are the big reasons for tonights failure.Is there hope for the future of ND defense for 2016 ? Yes and it doesnt mean firing the D coordinator.It means that kids have to take responsibility plain and simple.

 

[bkess8]

Injuries,injuries and player misconduct causing key players to be sent home are the big reasons for tonights failure.Is there hope for the future of ND defense for 2016 ? Yes and it doesnt mean firing the D coordinator.It means that kids have to take responsibility plain and simple.

Tired of the injuries excuse. That has nothing to do with scheme and that is the biggest problem IMO.

 

[kmoose]

What really gets me about our defense is two things: We're terrible on third downs, and we don't force turnovers.

Today they were. But this defense was a Top 20 defense in 3rd down conversion percentage, for the season. So let's not act like this has been an ongoing thing.

 

[kmoose]

Tired of the injuries excuse. That has nothing to do with scheme and that is the biggest problem IMO.

What is it, exactly, about the scheme that makes you prioritize it as the #1 problem?

 

[bkess8]

What is it, exactly, about the scheme that makes you prioritize it as the #1 problem?

- Why does he continuously blitz us out of plays?
- Our defense is so complicated that we can't even teach it to the second string players, so when injuries happen we are hider.
- Where are the adjustments that need to happen in game, half time, and through out the season.

 

[Ignats]

Not in the camp where I think it's realistic that Van Gorder will be gone next year, but the D Coordinator who I was very interested in Dave Aranda from Wisconsin is headed to LSU for the same position. He has worked wonders with that defense with a lot less talent.

 

[Crazy Balki]

44 Points scored by Ohio State, the most ever against Notre Dame in the 35 bowl games it has played. The previous mark was Alabama’s 42-14-victory in the 2013 BCS Championship.

Ohio State put up 42 against Alabama, Oregon and Michigan, three of the best 4 defensive teams they've played in a years span. When Ohio State puts their mind to it, they can run the ball and Barrett is a pretty effective dual-threat. Simply put, we just didn't have the depth or talent on defense to beat them, so we tried to cancel that disparity by confusing Barrett. That didn't work, but bowing up man on man, with all these injuries is going to get us mur-diddly-urdered. There were things about the scheme that need to change, and if BVG hopes to remain employed, he damn well better implement those changes, but this isn't a matter of losing 1 good player, but more like near a dozen good players. That's next to impossible to overcome, especially with only a couple of days to prepare for.

 

[GoldenDome]

OSU was way more physical. Not sure scheme would have helped.

 

[Crazy Balki]

- Why does he continuously blitz us out of plays?
- Our defense is so complicated that we can't even teach it to the second string players, so when injuries happen we are hider.
- Where are the adjustments that need to happen in game, half time, and through out the season.

I don't know about the first 2, but as for 3, we have done better defensively in the 2nd half in practically every game this year. So BVG is doing something right at halftime. Now I wish he could come into the game with that same thought in mind. Inconsistencies on defense were our undoing, most of which came from injured personnel, others from player error (missed assignment, missed tackle) and some from schematic breakdown.

I'm more worried about injuries honestly than anything. They have to stop. They NEED to stop. I'm tired of already being 1/4 roster down by the time we're in the home stretch. It's maddening.

 

[Crazy Balki]

OSU was way more physical. Not sure scheme would have helped.

Yep. Hard to ask a front 7 that's injury plagued and paper-thin depth wise to compete against a very physical offensive line, as well as a very physical RB.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Tired of the injuries excuse. That has nothing to do with scheme and that is the biggest problem IMO.

But it DOES have a lot to do with defensive production. It's more about the Jimmy's and Joe's than the X's and O's. Ohio State's Jimmy's were better than our Joe's, simple as that. We were at an instant disadvantage thanks to injuries. That's not an excuse, that's reality.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yep. Hard to ask a front 7 that's injury plagued and paper-thin depth wise to compete against a very physical offensive line, as well as a very physical RB.

Especially when they are dropping back in pass coverage...

 

[GATTACA!]

can we make this a poll?

My vote..... buh bye

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[ThePiombino]

I want to give him the benefit of the doubt (if for no other reason than to think we have ANY reason to be optimistic moving forward), but I just don't see it. A month+ to prep for this game and that was the best he could do? The same tired stunts, "pressures", players being put in position to fail, etc. I'm over it.

 

[GATTACA!]

For those of you who vote undecided what will make up your mind? Another whole season? Possible replacements that become available?

 

[ThePiombino]

For those of you who vote undecided what will make up your mind? Another whole season? Possible replacements that become available?

I'm in the "3 year camp", but I voted fire his ass because of the reasons I stated above. Fool me once, shame on you (2014). Fool me twice, shame on me (2015). If he showed ANY semblance of adjustment, I would say give him another year, but it's quite clear he would rather try to squeeze that square peg into a round hole.

 

[loomis41973]

For those of you who vote undecided what will make up your mind? Another whole season? Possible replacements that become available?

Possible replacements.

Makes decent adjustments

Can stop the triple option

Not a huge fan but i don't see anyone knocking down our door to coach here.

 

[Junkhead]

I do not claim to be a schematic defensive expert. I will not try to say what will work, as if I know more than a successful career defensive coach. But damn, injuries or not, this defense is really frustrating to watch. I chose undecided, but at this point, the right candidate being there, I'd send BVG packing. From my uneducated perspective on the couch, NDs defense looks, weak, confused and more into late blitzes than anything else. Sanford and Denson look like great hires....who would the next D coach be??

 

[kmoose]

I do not claim to be a schematic defensive expert. I will not try to say what will work, as if I know more than a successful career defensive coach. But damn, injuries or not, this defense is really frustrating to watch. I chose undecided, but at this point, the right candidate being there, I'd send BVG packing. From my uneducated perspective on the couch, NDs defense looks, weak, confused and more into late blitzes than anything else. Sanford and Denson look like great hires....who would the next D coach be??

Bob Davie!!

 

[ThePiombino]

I do not claim to be a schematic defensive expert. I will not try to say what will work, as if I know more than a successful career defensive coach. But damn, injuries or not, this defense is really frustrating to watch. I chose undecided, but at this point, the right candidate being there, I'd send BVG packing. From my uneducated perspective on the couch, NDs defense looks, weak, confused and more into late blitzes than anything else. Sanford and Denson look like great hires....who would the next D coach be??

Seems like Kelly's best hires (other than Denbrock) have all been outside his circle.