Running up the score time!?

[tommy]

you have to keep pouring it on the mighty trojans is what he would say with a sliy grin

 

[Irish Legend]

So now we judge our moral decisions based on the decisions of Pete Carroll? Notre Dame is above that. Charlie is above that.

It has nothing to do with morals, maybe class. If ND beats USC by one and Florida/Arkansas goes to the NC instead of ND the moral decision will turn out to be a stupid decision.

 

[marv81s]

I think we can forget about running the score up on USC, that isn't going to happen. If we just win, that is all ND has to do, just winning at USC should be enough to give them a shot at a national title. Nobody is giving them a shot of beating USC (I know I have some doubts too), so for them to go out there and and USC's streak of consecutive home wins, Poodle never losing in November, etc, a win out there will go a long ass ways towards accomplishing their goal.

 

[irish4ever]

Don't you guys think it's time we score as many points as possible from here on out? I know Charlie doesn't normally run the score up out of respect for the opponent, but I think we really need to for the remainder of the season. I know we will probably have a battle with USC, but if the opportunity presents itself don't you think we should put it on their ass? It will only help our chances to get to the NC game(along with other help).

What are your thoughts?

Win comfortably, but no need to "rub someone's nose in it" ... in this case, Army. Cover the spread (31 1/2 points last I saw) plus a field goal or so and then put the 2nd string in to "contain" the scoring difference. To me, in this case with the large spread, running up the score would be being up by 35+ points at the start of the 4th and still playing the 1st string players.

 

[irishlaw77]

Our offense is not the unit under the most scrutiny. Rather than running up the score, the biggest statement could be made by limiting our opponents to single digits in scoring. That would be a great change of pace.

 

[ACamp1900]

On the original topic... does everyone remember when ND beat PSU we ran up the score and had no class... yet when we let back on Purdue, UNC and others we are crap for "barely beating" said teams??? Is anything about our Irish NOT a damned if you do damned if you don't situation???

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Don't you guys think it's time we score as many points as possible from here on out? I know Charlie doesn't normally run the score up out of respect for the opponent, but I think we really need to for the remainder of the season. I know we will probably have a battle with USC, but if the opportunity presents itself don't you think we should put it on their ass? It will only help our chances to get to the NC game(along with other help).

What are your thoughts?

If we hang 70 on Army, no one will be impressed. It's not really worth being that disrespectful.

Rice hung 48 on them. Tulane 42. And Air Force 43.

What would hanging 70 on them prove to anyone?

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Our offense is not the unit under the most scrutiny. Rather than running up the score, the biggest statement could be made by limiting our opponents to single digits in scoring. That would be a great change of pace.

As Tom Pagna pointed out: Charlie Weis has yet to shut someone out. I would like to see that just ONCE. Against USC would be prefered, but against Army I will take it.

UCLA and USC both blanked Stanford. Penn State blanked Purdue. Navy got blanked buy Rutgers. UNC got blanked by Virginia and GaTech.

Just this one time I would like to see us shutout a team. (ok, I would like to see it ALL the time, but I will take it with Army)

 

[njuneardave]

As Tom Pagna pointed out: Charlie Weis has yet to shut someone out. I would like to see that just ONCE. Against USC would be prefered, but against Army I will take it.

UCLA and USC both blanked Stanford. Penn State blanked Purdue. Navy got blanked buy Rutgers. UNC got blanked by Virginia and GaTech.

Just this one time I would like to see us shutout a team. (ok, I would like to see it ALL the time, but I will take it with Army)

I agree with you both. Our D needs some sort of confidence going into the colliseum.

It has nothing to do with morals, maybe class. If ND beats USC by one and Florida/Arkansas goes to the NC instead of ND the moral decision will turn out to be a stupid decision.

Yeah, good word....class -- that's the one I was lookin for. But, I'm not talking about Notre Dame squeaking by....I'm saying burning USC by 40 points.... I don't think Charlie would do it...even if he did have the chance.... he'd put the 2nd string offense in after a 28 pt lead to grind out the clock.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Yeah, good word....class -- that's the one I was lookin for. But, I'm not talking about Notre Dame squeaking by....I'm saying burning USC by 40 points.... I don't think Charlie would do it...even if he did have the chance.... he'd put the 2nd string offense in after a 28 pt lead to grind out the clock.

I can live with burying SC by 40. That would not bother me.

 

[onenybrother]

Beating my little brother team by forty points, dont sounds bad. He might not speak to me for a month. But a USCUM ass whupping is well worth it. Fawk him and USCUM.

 

[jiggafini19]

If ND was in a position to run up the score on USC, I'd need a new pair of pants.

A shutout by the ND defense would probably get some people off their backs, even if it is against Army.

They'd probably give up too many yards and people would still complain.

There is nothing better than shutting someone out.

 

[Irish1]

If ND was in a position to run up the score on USC, I'd need a new pair of pants.

A shutout by the ND defense would probably get some people off their backs, even if it is against Army.

They'd probably give up too many yards and people would still complain.

There is nothing better than shutting someone out.

after 60 minutes of play seeing the defense give up 0 points would be awesome. Right now i'd settle for giving up NO Touchdowns. But i am certainly not holding my breath on the irish pitching a straight shut out. Just wont happen for a couple years.

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

I start seeing red when someone suggests a blowout, or running up the score for BCS brownie points. This isnt Spurrierville. Weis has chosen the high route, AND kept the course. Detering now because a bunch of nay-sayers - simply retarded.

I could only see it now. ND fans (already accused of holier than thou-esk beliefs) being lampooned by EVEN MORE CFB fans.

If ND is so much better... Why pull An Ole' Ball Coach? WHY? Why do it? Not only would Weis be going back on his word, he would be selling out the school. Yeah, probably many would look the other way. But, if ND was going to start looking the other way, we would have had Randy Moss breaking Mayes' records - instead of Samardzija.

Notre Dame sticks by a code. They live by the book. Either get on the ship or get the hell out of the way. The staff does it, so should the fans.

 

[Clotho]

If Weis "taking the high road" (arguable if this really is that) hurts his team when it has a very real chance of making it to a BCS title game, then to hell with taking the high road. We're not talking about recruiting violations, recruiting gangsters, or using trick plays. We're talking about playing your best for the entire game, every game, so that your team at the end of the year will have the best possible chance of playing for the national title. That's not classless, that's winning. You don't like it? Take it up with the system that necessitates it. Take it up with the human pollsters. Take it up with the computers.

If we can beat Army 63-0, we should. Equating not letting up on an opponent, a DIVISION ONE opponent, with recruiting thugs, is ludicrous. ND doesn't play 1AA schools, or D2 schools. These teams are all in D1. If they're in D1, we should not have to let up on them. They should try to stop us. We're going to be penalized in the polls and in SOS for playing a team as inept as Army, so shouldn't we at least take advantage of how inept Army is? What sense does it make to schedule a horrible team like Army, hurting your title chances by SOS, and then handicap yourself and say, "We can only beat Army by so many points, and then we have to let up." No. They should go out there meaning to score 70. Otherwise, get Army off the schedule, cause all it does is hurt the team's title chances.

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

I cant argue with someone who just doesnt get it. I dont even think you pay attention to what you say anymore.

WTF is wrong with just winning the fucking football game? Notre Dame went from the shitter to greener pastures, and now idiots fans are just getting flat out greedy. Get your mind off the trophy. Put it towards winning football games.

Questions. What system necessitates Spurrier's style?

Our SOS isnt going to be marred by Army. We have played 3 teams that will land in the top 25. 2 in the top 10. Most teams might play and beat 1 in the top 25 all season. Our SOS isnt something to be worried about.

Are you seriously saying if we dont roll 60+ on Army were getting bruised in the BCS?

Better yet... There are a lot of idiot pollsters. NOT ONE would be stupid enough to discredit ND if they put 40 on Army, and packed it up. They watch the highlight reels. If Brady is walking through the game they arent going to knock ND for not putting triple digits on the board.

 

[Clotho]

I cant argue with someone who just doesnt get it. I dont even think you pay attention to what you say anymore.

WTF is wrong with just winning the fucking football game?

Nothing, if we win them all. With our schedule, and being ND, winning all our games would get us in the title game. However, we lost to Michigan, and badly. That made it necessary that we blow out every other opponent (except SC, who we can't blow out). If Weis doesn't want to blow people out, he should, I dunno, have his team show up against Michigan.

Notre Dame went from the shitter to greener pastures, and now idiots fans are just getting flat out greedy. Get your mind off the trophy. Put it towards winning football games.

What are you even talking about here? What is the point of playing? It's to win the game. What is the point of winning the game? To win the national title. Beating some of these teams is a foregone conclusion. Navy, Air Force, Army, UNC, Stanford, Purdue, PSU, none of them were going to beat us. Many games in college, for top teams, are about style, because winning is a given. And what does my mind have to do with what the team does? I'm not on the team, I'm not the coach. I can think whatever I want.

Questions. What system necessitates Spurrier's style?

The system that rewards a team for winning impressively, the system with pollsters who look at the box scores in the morning paper, and don't watch the games. That system.

Our SOS isnt going to be marred by Army. We have played 3 teams that will land in the top 25. 2 in the top 10. Most teams might play and beat 1 in the top 25 all season. Our SOS isnt something to be worried about.

Yes, it is. It's stuff like SOS that decides these things. ND's is fine, but imagine how much better it would be if we ditched the Army and Air Force. But we don't ditch them. We schedule them, and we pay a price in SOS for scheduling them. And that's fine. BUT to then pay that price in SOS, and also handicap ourselves and say, "Well we can't run it up on them, we have to take it easy" is just paying twice for that game, and not gaining anything. It's just us being hurt twice. We lose on SOS and then we don't even win impressively enough to win any votes from the pollsters. It's a total loss.

Are you seriously saying if we dont roll 60+ on Army were getting bruised in the BCS?

Uh, no? Are you saying a 42-17 win like we've been getting against these overmatched teams helps us as much as a 63-0 win, like we're capable of getting? It's not even close. One is much, much more impressive.

Better yet... There are a lot of idiot pollsters. NOT ONE would be stupid enough to discredit ND if they put 40 on Army, and packed it up. They watch the highlight reels. If Brady is walking through the game they arent going to knock ND for not putting triple digits on the board.

No, you're simply incorrect. Did you fail to read the story in the press this week about the AP voter who got stripped of his vote for ranking OK as if they'd lost to Tx Tech? He "thought he remembered hearing" that Texas Tech was up on Oklahoma, and later he asked another person in the press box who'd won, and the guy mistakenly said Texas Tech had. The guy voted accordingly, and was stripped of his voting privileges. He said his normal routine is to look in the paper the next morning to see the box scores, but that his paper hadn't featured that score. And this is a reputable reporter, a reputable voter. Now, considering that, do you honestly think that coaches (whose focus is on their own team, and who probably scan the box scores, and that's it, not having any time to sit on the couch and watch Gameday) and Harris Poll voters (notoriously stupid, notoriously prone to baffling rankings) really go indepth with their votes? These guys look at the scores. That's it, for most of them. Scoreboard.

 

[Indydomer]

Just winning football games isn't good enough anymore. You have to impress everyone no matter who you are playing. And in our position with the rest of the cfb world that is hard to do. It's time we get out of the stoneage and start playing in the times. Yes we don't need to beat army by 75, but 42-6 is not bad. If we have to worry if we're going to hurt someones feelings than why play the fucking game. Thats like being a boxer and worrying if your going to break the other guys nose. And I know these service academies have done a ton for ND and I appreciate that and everything that these guys do for us over seas, but damn man.

 

[Clotho]

Also, all this "ND class" talk, what about these games-

Lou Holtz
56-13 vs Navy
52-7 vs Purdue
54-11 vs Rice
59-6 vs SMU
57-27 vs Air Force
48-0 vs Purdue
52-21 @ Pitt
54-7 vs Boston College
44-0 vs Pitt
58-27 @ Navy
58-21 vs Navy
41-0 vs Vanderbilt
55-27 vs Texas
54-20 vs Washington
54-27 @ Navy
60-6 vs Pitt
62-0 (!) vs Rutgers

And every ND legend has games like that.

Knute Rockne
67-7 @ Wabash
60-7 vs Mt Union
53-0 vs Western Michigan

and on, and on, literally- each ND legend has a list like Holtz, or "worse" than Holtz.

Are you saying Knute Rockne wasn't representative of what ND is?

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

Also, all this "ND class" talk, what about these games-

Lou Holtz
56-13 vs Navy
52-7 vs Purdue
54-11 vs Rice
59-6 vs SMU
57-27 vs Air Force
48-0 vs Purdue
52-21 @ Pitt
54-7 vs Boston College
44-0 vs Pitt
58-27 @ Navy
58-21 vs Navy
41-0 vs Vanderbilt
55-27 vs Texas
54-20 vs Washington
54-27 @ Navy
60-6 vs Pitt
62-0 (!) vs Rutgers

And every ND legend has games like that.

Knute Rockne
67-7 @ Wabash
60-7 vs Mt Union
53-0 vs Western Michigan

and on, and on, literally- each ND legend has a list like Holtz, or "worse" than Holtz.

Are you saying Knute Rockne wasn't representative of what ND is?

OMG, WTF was the point in this? Dont you think we all know what the past was? That was Pre Weis, and PRE BCS. Blowouts do not calculate in.

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

I'm not on the team, I'm not the coach. I can think whatever I want.

The system that rewards a team for winning impressively, the system with pollsters who look at the box scores in the morning paper, and don't watch the games. That system.

Yes, it is. It's stuff like SOS that decides these things. ND's is fine, but imagine how much better it would be if we ditched the Army and Air Force.

Uh, no? Are you saying a 42-17 win like we've been getting against these overmatched teams helps us as much as a 63-0 win, like we're capable of getting? It's not even close. One is much, much more impressive.

1. Youre right. Youre a fan. Having a different view or opinion that is completely wasted because no one important ie THE COACH cares what you think. Arguing about it, is just a complete waste of time and effort. This isnt debate class. The coach has made a decision and has lived by it. His team is still a 1 loss team, yet it isnt enough? How long will people bitch about it till they realize its futile?

2. BCS isnt factored by scores. And No pollster doesnt see ND on tv. Its almost impossible. They know what the score was. They know how it went down.

3 EVERY TEAM HAS CUPCAKES THERE IS NO REASON TO CHANGE OUR SCHEDULE.

4. God, youre seriously starting to crack up. Sit there and please rethink this. Do you friggan honestly think a win over Army by 60 points is going to dramatically affect our ranking vs. a 25 point win? There is no way in hell the BCS would drop us a slot for a 25 point win.


You know whats really funny. We could have ran up the score in about 6 games this season. PSU PU AF UNC Stan NAVY etc. even worse than it was. I mean, all this shoulda woulda couldas and you people make it seem like were not in the top 5 of the BCS.

We had an embarrassing loss AT HOME and were in the top 5. Heh... this is great. WE NEED TO BLOWOUT TEAMS OR WERE SCREWED!!!!! WHOOOOOOOW

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

Just winning football games isn't good enough anymore. You have to impress everyone no matter who you are playing. And in our position with the rest of the cfb world that is hard to do. It's time we get out of the stoneage and start playing in the times. Yes we don't need to beat army by 75, but 42-6 is not bad. If we have to worry if we're going to hurt someones feelings than why play the fucking game. Thats like being a boxer and worrying if your going to break the other guys nose. And I know these service academies have done a ton for ND and I appreciate that and everything that these guys do for us over seas, but damn man.

Indydomer wrote in the thread "Darius Walker" :

I officially hate this thread. It is way played out. Leave the poor guy alone. None of us can make any decisions about who starts. Let Charlie to the decision making.

Has Charlie not made his decision pertaining to the scoreboard, too?

 

[guff]

Blowing out Army is like striking out a pitcher or beating up a drunk guy. No cares that you did it because anyone can do it. Beating USC in a convincing manner is all that matters.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

41-0 vs Vanderbilt
54-20 vs Washington
60-6 vs Pitt
62-0 (!) vs Rutgers

I was in stadium for those games... The Rutgers was brutal. By the 3rd quarter we were trying to decide why we should stay...it was ugly.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

While I usually hate seeing(and participating in) ND fans argue back and forth, there is an odd enjoyment in the arguments now. The arguments now are about how ND can get into the National Championship and not about how ND can get to 6-7 wins.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

While I usually hate seeing(and participating in) ND fans argue back and forth, there is an odd enjoyment in the arguments now. The arguments now are about how ND can get into the National Championship and not about how ND can get to 6-7 wins.

Yeah, it's funny what a difference a coach makes.

 

[Indydomer]

Two different issues for one my friend, and for two it doesn't matter what any of us say on this site, Charlie is ultimately in control. I was just stating my opionion.

 

[Clotho]

OMG, WTF was the point in this? Dont you think we all know what the past was? That was Pre Weis, and PRE BCS. Blowouts do not calculate in.

I'm not sure what you're even saying here. Are you saying Weis is "ND" but Rockne and Holtz and the others aren't? It seems Weis is the exception, not the rule, and that if blowing people out is classless, ND has been classless for almost a hundred years.

As for the BCS chatter, it had nothing to do with that. Many of the blowouts I listed, including the worst Holtz blowouts, came in seasons in which ND was not even contending for a title.

There are 119 or so college teams. If you're a good team, the only way to show it to most people is to put up a big score when you can. I like Weis but I would prefer that when his team can put up 50+, he do it. With the offense he's had the past two years, it's amazing to me and unfortunate that he has yet to put up 50+ in a game. Even Willingham did it once.

 

[tommy]

so by your last statement "that Willingham did" it really show its not that important to score 50 if you dont have to .

 

[Clotho]

What? Actually, my point is that even Willingham did it once, bad as he was- meaning that Weis's failure to do it, in two seasons with an amazing offense and an all-world QB, is pretty pathetic.

If you go to the cfb data warehouse site, they list a team's 50+ point games in its own category, because it's a meaningful number. It has a magical effect on anyone who sees it in the paper the next morning. Even if you surrender 27, if you score 51, the pollsters know you killed that team. If you surrender 27 and score 49, as ND under Weis often does, it's just much less impressive. Is that fair? No. But it's how people interpret the scores.