Rivals 20-14

[Irishknight1023]

They mistakingly leaked this and then realized it and removed it.


#20. Deion Walker
#19. Baker Steinkuhler
#18. E.J. Manuel
#17. D.J. Shoemate
#16. Matt Kalil
#15. Arthur Brown
#14. T.J. Bryant

 

[notredomer23]

surprised about Brown, figured he would be near the top

 

[Ricochet]

Would love to see ND get Deion Walker, the kid is a flat out stud and has yet to really get the hype other have.

 

[laxkid23]

On scout, EJ Manuel is a 3 star.

 

[Ricochet]

surprised about Brown, figured he would be near the top

No doubt I think he should be in the top 5 but then again I'm unbiased in such things unlike these recruiting sites that hype of players that go to certain programs.

 

[Jason Pham]

Great find, IK.

 

[Irishknight1023]

I think Scout has E.J. Manuel rated to low and Rivals too high. I think he is a 4* Dual Threat. Arthur Brown is kind of funny because how can you have him that low?

 

[napoleonbuck]

The thing with EJ Manuel is that he attended their camps, where as other QBs didn't...

Rivals rankings have been pretty suspect this year IMO.

 

[Irishknight1023]

I agree, but I don't think they will leave out Pryor even though he snubbed them.

 

[irishunclebill]

I think it's supposed to come out tomorrow anyway. The entire ranked 100 list will be published on May 30, with 27 five stars, which are the "teasers" coming out starting today, and for the next few days. Since you have 20-14 there, lets add 27-21 to it, and so on so that we have all of the Rivals 5 stars in one place.

#27. Tyler Love
#26. Lucas Nix
#25. Brandon Barnes
#24. Stephen Good
#23. Patrick Johnson
#22. Kyle Rudolph
#21. Chancey Aghayere
#20. Deion Walker
#19. Baker Steinkuhler
#18. E.J. Manuel
#17. D.J. Shoemate
#16. Matt Kalil
#15. Arthur Brown
#14. T.J. Bryant
#13. RJ Washington
#12. Shayne Hale
#11. Tyron Smith
#10. Jermie Calhoun
# 9. DaQuan Bowers
# 8. Michael Brewster
# 7. Will Hill
# 6. DeAngelo Tyson
# 5. Nigel Bradham
# 4. A.J. Green
# 3. Julio Jones
# 2. Darrell Scott
# 1. Terrelle Pryor

Of the first 14 they have published, only five were offered by the Irish, although Barnes would have been offered in a heartbeat if he qualified academically. Some surprise inclusions in here, but to me the biggest surprise is that Arthur Brown is not in the Top 10.

There is a good chance that a majority of the Top 13 will be recruits that hold Irish offers. Some of the names that might be in that Top 13 are Forston, Hale, Hill, Julio Jones, Pryor, Scott, and Buckner, all of whom have Irish offers. Floyd is also a possibility, as is Baldwin who Rivals has consistently rated higher than Scout. I would be surprised if there is not another big OL in there like Patchan, Brewster, or Adams, all of whom also have Irish offers. AJ Green and Jermie Calhoun are also very likely on the 1-13 list. I'm sure I've missed a few as Rivals usually puts in a surprise or two, maybe another DB like Xavier Brewer. We will see.

 

[GoshenGipper]

Arthur Brown is kind of funny because how can you have him that low?

I've heard some of their recruiting analysts mention on Rivals Radio that they are concerned about his height and they think he is a couple of inches to short to be that high on the list. It's a bunch of crap if you ask me.

 

[irishunclebill]

I've heard some of their recruiting analysts mention on Rivals Radio that they are concerned about his height and they think he is a couple of inches to short to be that high on the list. It's a bunch of crap if you ask me.

I agree. Scout has Brown as #1, and even the ESPN idiots have him higher than Rivals at #12, and they have guys like Gabbert, Finley, and Brewer ahead of him. Of course, Brewer may be ahead of him on Rivals as well. Brown would definitely be in my Top 10 and probably would be in the Top 5.

 

[notredomer23]

If you are above 6-1 at LB, you will be ok if you have talent

 

[irishunclebill]

The thing with EJ Manuel is that he attended their camps, where as other QBs didn't...

Rivals rankings have been pretty suspect this year IMO.

I agree, the Manuel thing is just like last year when Rivals vaulted Doug Wiggins from nowhere to #33 on their list because they were impressed by him at the game that Rivals is trying to promote as an alternative to the AAA game. No one else even had Wiggins on their radar, and I'm still not sure who he is, I thought he was playing basketball for UConn.

Anyway, the point is Rivals is getting way too self-promoting when it comes to these Top 100 lists which may be even worse than Scout who is way too biased to certain teams, and ESPN who is basically just plain guessing in a lot of cases.

 

[Irishknight1023]

Nm

 

[Irishknight1023]

I still think Rivals is better than Scout overall. The way they are always updated and have free film and more accurate rankings.

 

[seniorle]

As I said on DD:
Walker is very highly rated by all 3 boards (#37 on Scout, #16 on ESPN), but yes, I was a bit surprised he was #20 on Rivals. I guess it's just cuz you never hear about his recruitment but he did come up to visit for the B&G game. I would love to see ND get in the mix for him but it hasn't happened.

Shoemate is still a surprise to me considering he hardly played last year.

Brown was the biggest shocker, he should be top 5 on every board so to be #15 is crazy.

It's ok Arthur, we love you and hope u come

Oh, and I agree about the Manuel thing. I remember last year the rocketed Cam Newton (Not saying he wasn't good, but I don't think 5* either) to 5* status after he went to their game. A little too self-promoting.

 

[IrishCalves]

I've heard some of their recruiting analysts mention on Rivals Radio that they are concerned about his height and they think he is a couple of inches to short to be that high on the list. It's a bunch of crap if you ask me.

You know another LB I've heard compared to Arthur Brown, who also happens to be 6'1"?

Ray Lewis. Pre-draft concerns about his height made him the 4th or 5th LB taken in the draft. Not that some of the guys ahead of him weren't good, but who is the one thats a guarenteed HOF selection?

I'm not saying he is the next Ray Lewis, or that he's better/worse than him as a HS prospect. All I'm saying is height isn't everything, and it certainly shouldn't be a reason you knock one guy up or down the ladder when it's so obvious he's just that good. I hope they had a better reason than height to keep him from entering the top 10.

 

[rockne19]

I think there are some questionable rankings over on rivals 1-27 five stars?Arthur Brown #15?I follow recruiting pretty closely and (in my opinion)rivals gave out 5 stars to some players who are a 3-4 star player

 

[IrishCalves]

Please refresh my memory: what kind of reputation does Rivals have with re-assigning star ratings, both in bumping up and lowering?

 

[seniorle]

Scout is heavily biased towards USC, Rivals in general has been pretty fair (not biased to any particular team) but they are beginning to create a bias towards the people who attend their bowl game at the end of the year as evidenced from last year, and ESPN can be a bit erradic but I don't think they're biased any one way. Just my opinion from what I've seen.

 

[Irishknight1023]

I agree, Scout is biased to USC....Rivals is biased to those who attend their camps and games. ESPN are just ametures who just throw a list together without much analysis( Look at the Clausen 8th best player overall last year )

 

[irishunclebill]

Rivals will change, add, & subtract recruits from their 100 list during the recruiting period, but they usually do not change their original 5 stars. Very seldom will you see them add a new 5 star after the initial publication of their 100 list, because to do so would usually mean one of their original selections is dropped from the 5 star group, and they do not like to admit that kind of error. The same applies to Scout as well, you will see changes in their 100, but not much at the top. The 5 stars may move a little bit within the rankings, but they usually stay 5 stars once they are announced 5 stars. ESPN is much more erratic because of the insufficiency of their scouting resources.

 

[rockne19]

I was at rivals offense-defense game in january,there was about 200-250 people in attendence.I meet Golden Tate and Andrew Nuss's mother,we talked for about 1 hour,very nice lady.The game was plyed in ft. lauderdale.Fl.,they are trying to rival(no pun intended)scout.

 

[rockne19]

I meant they are trying to compete with the army all american game telivsed by nbc.

 

[irishunclebill]

Rivals 13-7 has been published. In descending order, RJ Washington, Shayne Hale, Tyron Smith, Jermie Calhoun, DaQuan Bowers, Michael Brewster, Will Hill. No real surprises here with the possible exception of Tyron Smith being ranked so high, and having 2 OL in this group.

Post #10 has been updated to show the complete list of 27-7. 1 through 6 will be published tomorrow. This pretty much eliminates Floyd as a potential Rivals 5 star. My best guess at 1-6 in no particular order would be:

Terrelle Pryor
Darrell Scott
Dan Buckner
Julio Jones
A.J. Green
Marcus Forston, or maybe Baldwin, possibly even Patchan, but that would make 3 OL in their Top 13 which seems unlikely

If Baldwin is on the list and I am right the top 6 would be all Offensive Players. I’m sure Rivals probably has as least one surprise left, but I would be really surprised if Pryor, Scott, Jones, & Green are not 4 of the 6.

 

[seniorle]

I agree that Pryor, Scott, Jones, and Green will definitely be in the top 6. I find it really hard to believe that Buckner is up there w/ them even though ESPN has him rated as the highest WR which is just unbelievable. I don't think it's an offensive lineman either as it said in the video clip that Brewster was the highest rated Olineman.

I think the last two spots are for Deangelo Tyson and maybe Forston, N Bradham, or Baldwin. I would find it pretty unbelievable to have 2 LBs ahead of A Brown though, that's just nuts.

 

[irishunclebill]

I agree that Pryor, Scott, Jones, and Green will definitely be in the top 6. I find it really hard to believe that Buckner is up there w/ them even though ESPN has him rated as the highest WR which is just unbelievable. I don't think it's an offensive lineman either as it said in the video clip that Brewster was the highest rated Olineman.

I think the last two spots are for Deangelo Tyson and maybe Forston, N Bradham, or Baldwin. I would find it pretty unbelievable to have 2 LBs ahead of A Brown though, that's just nuts.

Thanks for the info on the OL, did not watch the clip yet. Buckner is definitely iffy, in reality it could be just about anybody with the other 2 spots. Some posters at II are saying Crist might be one of them, now that would be a real shocker, although I do think rivals will have Crist in their Top 50 when they publish the 100 next week.

 

[irishunclebill]

Rivals Top 6 Posted

Rivals 6-1 has been published. In descending order, DeAngelo Tyson, Nigel Bradham, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Darrell Scott, and at #1 Terrelle Pryor.

No surprise at all in the Top 4, especially Pryor at #1. Rivals likes to have a QB at the top, and although Pryor is probably the best QB in this class, in terms of pure QB skills IMO he would not rank in the Top 3 of the QB's in the 2007 class.

seniorle, you were dead on with Bradham & Tyson being 5&6. Still hard to believe that Rivals would have 2 LB's (Hale & Bradham) ranked ahead of Arthur Brown. IMO, Bradham especially is somewhat overrated.

Post #10 has been updated to show the complete list of Rivals 5 stars.

 

[irishunclebill]

Biggest 2 jokes in the Rivals 5 stars are Brown at #15, and Forston not being one.